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Old 06-21-03, 09:31 PM
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I have a problem shifting from 1st to 2nd mostly. I even went as far as installing a Pro 5 shifter. It helped a little bit, but I still have a hard time shifting especially trying to run a quarter mile.
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Old 06-22-03, 02:54 PM
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Well, since I've had no luck selling my baby I've joined the list! I sure hope that we get some satisfaction out of this.
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Old 06-23-03, 12:33 PM
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still got a long way to go , but just the reports we have got so far are very good, thanks to you all, that get very detailed that is going to help alot, and save time.

thanks all !!!
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Old 06-23-03, 12:34 PM
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still got a long way to go , but just the reports we have got so far are very good, thanks to you all, that get very detailed that is going to help alot, and save time.

thanks all !!!
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Old 06-27-03, 07:02 AM
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I'm in as well
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Old 06-30-03, 04:31 AM
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I only have 1200 miles on my Bullitt, and it had that 1st to 2nd crunch (cold) from day one. Now when I try to shift it HARD like power shift, it CRUNCHES BIG TIME, Like a worn syncro or blocking ring. You can add me to your list. If you get enough to get this underway, I will supply all needed information.

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Old 07-01-03, 07:29 AM
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Sent in my e-mail...

i had my 3650 rebuilt once at about 20k(under warrenty)... and the issue never went away
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Old 07-01-03, 10:38 PM
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Any news Dewayne?
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Old 07-03-03, 02:02 PM
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t-3650

supposedly ford is about to issue a recall on th T-3650 tranny. Thats what the dealership just told me anyway, we'll see next week I guess.
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Old 07-04-03, 07:31 AM
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supposedly ford is about to issue a recall on th T-3650 tranny. Thats what the dealership just told me anyway, we'll see next week I guess.
Let us hope that the recall will happen, and will fix the problems with the T-3650... as I'm shopping for a Bullitt/2k1 Cobra right now.
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Old 07-04-03, 09:45 AM
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I hope so, like I said I'll find out next week. This came from the service manager here at the dealership. I just hope he wasnt misinformed and or misunderstood what the company told him.
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Old 07-05-03, 08:32 AM
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Old 07-07-03, 08:08 PM
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Old 07-09-03, 09:00 PM
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ok the latest from the ford is that the clutch is at fault it isnt fully engaging. Parts are on order , they didnt really specify what parts but did mention clutch, bearings, syncro's etc. Pretty much all the same stuff they swapped out last time. Oh well when the parts come in I'll get the list. They did find out what was causing the hesitation/ticking noise, a broken spark plug. I've never had a spark plug just break before. Anyway I thought I was going to get some get some good news about the tranny but it appears to be the same old story. Like I said I'll get a list of the parts they order and keep ya'll posted
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Old 07-10-03, 07:38 AM
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Seems like this is kind of dying. Haven't heard from Dewayne in over 2 weeks. Lets look at it from Ford's point of view:

- A group of internet forum folks get 500 complaints about a tranny
- Ford figures out what % of total trannys that represents (probably hundreds of thousands out on the market). Guessing a pretty small percentage.
- Ford then calculates their costs of a massive recall.
- Sorry folks but it is $'s and cents. I don't see a recall happening. I am not saying that it is good business, but Ford has to look at the big picture (not like us individual owners). Ford is willing to risk customer satisfaction for a MASSIVE recall expense. I would assume that the majority of vehicle recalls are for safety issues. This is not a true safety issue.
- Ford will just have thier dealers handle it on a case by case basis and just soak up the warrenty costs. They will hope most put up with it.

Again, this is how I think Ford will see the issue and is not necessarily my opinion.

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Old 07-10-03, 08:05 AM
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Sent in my info.

I am having simlar problems and was told by the dealership that it was a known issue and that there was nothing to worry about. How can something not work right but be "nothing to worry about"?
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Old 07-10-03, 12:26 PM
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Ive got a 2003 GT, and since Day 1 2-3rd was almost impossible to hit at a high rpm. I just put a new tri ax in and that helped with the 2-3rd, but now 1-2nd is pretty tough. I fix one problem and get another lol. I havent even told the dealer about it since I put a tri axe on it. Im sure that is to blame .
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Old 07-10-03, 05:05 PM
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Golions,
I understand that 500 isn't a drop in the bucket for Ford, but it is better than being alone and trying to take them on. Hopefully word spreads to other websites and clubs and we get more support. Maybe if a magazine or Blueovalnews.com pitches in we can make a difference.
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Old 07-10-03, 05:17 PM
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What does the attorney say at this point ? - His course of action ? I sent the original email but haven't heard anything.

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Old 07-10-03, 08:23 PM
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Red face T-5 Same Thing !!!!

I Bought This 2000 Gt New T-5 Trans, And From The Start When You Go In Rev- You Need To Go To 3rd Then Into Rev So You Get No Grinding. Also At Different Times My 2nd Gear Grinds Also Even With The Tri-ax Shifter Maybe Not As Bad Some Times . I Have Owned 6 Cars With Stickand All Of Them Did The Same Thing . From 68 Chevelle Ss Munc 22trans 70 Chevelle Ss Munc21trans Hurst Shifter -73 Vet Stock Shifter , 82 Blazer Stock Shifter & 2000 Mustang Gt And The Only One That Shifted Like It Should Was The 90 Vet 6 Spd - The Reason It Was Great It Was A German Tranny That The Vipper Uses, Also It Cost 3 Times The Price Of Fords And No One Would Want To Work On It If You Had Problems . Ford Makes A Great Ride For The Money!!!!!!!! I No It Sucks Buying A New Car And That Bother`s You But For The Price I Am Still Real Happy!!!! , And Some Things You Have To Just Play With It At Time`s Just Like The Older Muscle Cars . Things Stay The Same On Some Stuff.
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Old 07-10-03, 11:35 PM
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I have a 2003 GT I got it at the end of may. It only has 2200 miles on it so far the only thing i notice about the tranny is that gear are so close that you could shift in 4th instead of 2ed and i hear that alot from people. I also noticed that coming out of 2ed that car jump out of gear hard. Let me tell you this, now dont get me wrong I love my new GT but its a ford. I knew before I bought the car that ford used junky trannys. If you think that 2ed gear is hard to get in go over to a dodge dealer and test drive a SRT-4 the gear box is so stiff and dont even think about down shifting. If you want a great shifting tranny go buy a honda, VW etc. get an import if you want perfect other wize you better be happy with what you bought because if that is design flaw and not a something that breaks on 1 out of every 3. You realy think ford would recall your car to change the tranny. Even if the tranny was so bad that you had to double clutch all the time i dont think ford you do anythink beside telling you that its ok. I wanted a rear-wheel drive V-8 coupe whats left beside Vette and Viper(both borg-Wagner trannys) I payed 21k for mine so if it get sticky I would expect it.

Anyway how much torque can these trannys take?
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Old 07-11-03, 08:57 AM
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I have a 2003 GT I got it at the end of may. It only has 2200 miles on it so far the only thing i notice about the tranny is that gear are so close that you could shift in 4th instead of 2ed and i hear that alot from people. I also noticed that coming out of 2ed that car jump out of gear hard. Let me tell you this, now dont get me wrong I love my new GT but its a ford. I knew before I bought the car that ford used junky trannys. If you think that 2ed gear is hard to get in go over to a dodge dealer and test drive a SRT-4 the gear box is so stiff and dont even think about down shifting. If you want a great shifting tranny go buy a honda, VW etc. get an import if you want perfect other wize you better be happy with what you bought because if that is design flaw and not a something that breaks on 1 out of every 3. You realy think ford would recall your car to change the tranny. Even if the tranny was so bad that you had to double clutch all the time i dont think ford you do anythink beside telling you that its ok. I wanted a rear-wheel drive V-8 coupe whats left beside Vette and Viper(both borg-Wagner trannys) I payed 21k for mine so if it get sticky I would expect it.

Anyway how much torque can these trannys take?
Supposedly around 400 ft/lbs
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Old 07-11-03, 01:56 PM
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I dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but the shift forks were an issue a while back. I think it's been like a year and a half now. Anyway, when the issue started becoming really big with the 01 Cobra guys, Ford issued a TSB that called for either tranny replacement (for ones with improved shift forks) or tranny rebuilds (for improved shift forks, but SVT reccomended complete replacement).

I had three 3650s under warranty. They can't take much power. I definitely don't believe 400 ft-lbs. The things should never have been used. The synchros and shift forks suck and the input shaft is the same garbage that came with the T45. My sister has a 2002 GT and I think her tranny is begininng to have issues and she hasn't even tracked it yet...
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Old 07-11-03, 06:38 PM
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Well as I said earlier, I've been researching this for a long time now and with working at an assembly plant I have people to help me get in touch with people at Dearborn.

One of the main concerns right now is the 3650 has brass synchro sets as apposed to the carbon/paper type material on earlier trannys.

The problem is when the tranny gets warm the brass gets even warmer causing the brass to warp thus causing grinding issues and popping out of gear and the notchy shifting depending on how bad the warping is.

This is straight from a Tremec Rep at Dearborn. I asked him about a recall and he said he couldn't talk about it but that it is probable.
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Old 07-11-03, 08:30 PM
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Well as I said earlier, I've been researching this for a long time now and with working at an assembly plant I have people to help me get in touch with people at Dearborn.

One of the main concerns right now is the 3650 has brass synchro sets as apposed to the carbon/paper type material on earlier trannys.

The problem is when the tranny gets warm the brass gets even warmer causing the brass to warp thus causing grinding issues and popping out of gear and the notchy shifting depending on how bad the warping is.

This is straight from a Tremec Rep at Dearborn. I asked him about a recall and he said he couldn't talk about it but that it is probable.
AT LEAST FORD USES BRASS , I HAD A 1985 MONTE SS WITH ONLY 19,000 MILES ON IT AND A LITTLE OVER 1 YR OLD . THE OVER DRIVE TRANS WENT . THE GM PEOPLE USED NYLON BUSHINGS IN BETWEEN THE CLUTCH PLATES . WHEN HEATED UP STARTED TO BRAKE DOWN AND GO THREW THE TRANS FLUID AND WEAR OUT THE CLUTCH PLATES ON MY AUTO . THEY HAD A ALOT OF TRANNYS TO REDO AND MANY CUSTOMERS PAID BECAUSE THE WARRINTY WAS OVER, BUT NO RECALL .!!!! THATS IS A JOKE ... ON YOUR 3650 HAVE YOU DRAINED YOUR GEAR BOX AND PUT IN A GOOD SYNTHEIC OIL .THAT WOULD DO WOUNDERS I BET .
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