[lafear01]

Originally Posted by Nazman

Lafear,

You may be right. I just hate to see these 99 vs. 01 deals. Yes, is true they have a few diferences here and there, the intake may be a tad better, the splines count, the seats, the CD player and the bumper....dont let me forget the polished rims option but they are the same. Then it came the coment about "power" and is not completly correct. Yes, we have some weak 99s but I have seen a bunch of "weak" 01s as well.

They are great cars, if the 01 still has some warranty and less milleage, if the $$ vs. $$ makes sense then the 01 is the better purchase.

and by the way......I dont think mine is a freak Just abnormal!

Naz

Agreed; from the power perspective, its a toss up. from the amenities/extras standpoint, i'd have to say go with the 01. The only thing that really bugs me about the 99's are the seats. I used to have a 99gt (same seats). there is no lateral support in those things. I ended up swaping in some 89' conquest tsi seats. I had to make them work and re-appolster them as well. More time & money... As for the rest of the differences, I can take them or leave them...

OT: Naz, I get my snake back from the engine builder next sunday. I had the following added:

big bore 305ci
FR500 cams .472 lift @.050 (many people are seeing the light with these cams. they are a very good improvement with OEM drivability)
Fox Lake Ported stock heads (valve job & bowl work as well)
billet oil pump gears.

PS: I am an FRPP dealer now (just on the side & for a little extra mod money). I have an inside source on everything in the FRPP catalog. I can get you 5% to 20% off of anything. I really dont think anyone can beat what i can get FRPP parts for...

Take care over there NAZ. I assume your still in Germany!?!?

Chris

[Nazman]

Originally Posted by lafear01

Agreed; from the power perspective, its a toss up. from the amenities/extras standpoint, i'd have to say go with the 01. The only thing that really bugs me about the 99's are the seats. I used to have a 99gt (same seats). there is no lateral support in those things. I ended up swaping in some 89' conquest tsi seats. I had to make them work and re-appolster them as well. More time & money... As for the rest of the differences, I can take them or leave them...

OT: Naz, I get my snake back from the engine builder next sunday. I had the following added:

big bore 305ci
FR500 cams .472 lift @.050 (many people are seeing the light with these cams. they are a very good improvement with OEM drivability)
Fox Lake Ported stock heads (valve job & bowl work as well)
billet oil pump gears.

PS: I am an FRPP dealer now (just on the side & for a little extra mod money). I have an inside source on everything in the FRPP catalog. I can get you 5% to 20% off of anything. I really dont think anyone can beat what i can get FRPP parts for...

Take care over there NAZ. I assume your still in Germany!?!?

Chris

Sound real good! Who is doing your install? Who's big bore kit did you get? Forged internals I assume? How about your tunning afterwards? It should be a little beast after the fact!

Now Check your PMs......

Naz

[99SVTAddict]

Lafear, did you go with a new bottom end, or modify your existing block to a big bore

Damn, I need to give you a call to see what you got going on.
I HOPE you put in forged internals while you had the motor apart in case you step up to a blower or Nitrous down the road.

And who is doing the tuning on this thing?

[lafear01]

Originally Posted by 99SVTAddict

Lafear, did you go with a new bottom end, or modify your existing block to a big bore

Damn, I need to give you a call to see what you got going on.
I HOPE you put in forged internals while you had the motor apart in case you step up to a blower or Nitrous down the road.

And who is doing the tuning on this thing?

give me a call addict (after 6pm tonight). I'll fill you in on everything then...

[lafear01]

Originally Posted by Nazman

Sound real good! Who is doing your install? Who's big bore kit did you get? Forged internals I assume? How about your tunning afterwards? It should be a little beast after the fact!

Now Check your PMs......

Naz

Naz/Addict,

This is the Build Fact Sheet:

Builder: Hensler Racing (columbus Ohio)
Big Bore 305ci: diamond forged aluminum pistons; 10.5.1 compression. eagle forged rods;

30lb injectors

The block is a 01 block (not my original), that was prepared by ModularFords (in Michigan). I had the opportunity to examine the motor when i dropped the car off. It looked very clean. It was already a big bore. Hensler Pre-preps blocks he gets to shave time off of jobs. Hensler is doing a 5.3L build up for another guy i know that cruises on the corral. N/A the guy is hoping for 475rwhp.

I shipped my FR500 valvetrain kit down to the shop myself.

Fox Lake ported my stock heads. I was told from more than 1 source that Fox Lake does great 4V head work.

FR500 CAMs are sweet. Hensler put a kit on a near-stock (the car had an O/R h-pipe only) 4.6L cobra and picked up 28rwhp!!! There is a little more valvetrain noise, but that's to be expected from a high-lift camshaft. PS: that 28rwhp was without a tune (hensler is an engine builder but does not tune the rides)!!! just an dyno-install-dyno! Since the install, Hensler ordered two more FR500 valvetrain kits.

I was told that 400rwhp is very possible with this combo, but I've also been told that my stock intake will prolly keep me away from that number. I'm thinking that myself. Hensler gave me a good price. It was very comperable to bolting on a centri blower...

Chris

[99SVTAddict]

Interesting. Good for you Lafear. It should be a blast.
I'll be looking forward to a drive in the new ride.

Still curious as to who you will entrust with the tuning.

All this talk just proves the point...the 99 and 01's are the same car!!!! Except for some small upgraded things anyway...but performance wise they are the same. And besides, who cares????? You will start to mod the car as soon as you start getting use to the power.

I have 500RWHP...car was so scary at first my legs would shake...now I keep asking my wife, "Does the car feel slower to you or is it just me?"

[lafear01]

Originally Posted by 99SVTAddict

Interesting. Good for you Lafear. It should be a blast.
I'll be looking forward to a drive in the new ride.

Still curious as to who you will entrust with the tuning.

All this talk just proves the point...the 99 and 01's are the same car!!!! Except for some small upgraded things anyway...but performance wise they are the same. And besides, who cares????? You will start to mod the car as soon as you start getting use to the power.

I have 500RWHP...car was so scary at first my legs would shake...now I keep asking my wife, "Does the car feel slower to you or is it just me?"

yep. 99 & 01 are even from the performance standpoint, but who leaves it stock anyhow. LOL.

Addict: tuning? I would have 'my regular tuner do it', but i'm concerned of his reaction to what I did. But hey, i actually offered him the job. He told me most of his costs were fixed. I understand that. But I have other jobs he can do as well...

PS: Speedworks closed. can you believe it???!!! that's a shame.

[103]

Sorry, but the T45 is better than the 3650. A lot of 01 Cobra guys have been getting rid of their 3650s and getting T45s from D&D. I went through 3 3650s before my warranty was finally up, then I got a TKO. The 3650 is garbage and you can't even rebuild the pieces of crap unless you want to pay Ford far too much money for the parts. Tremec doesn't even sell them! And the difference between the 31 spline setup and the 28 spline setup is negligible since similar setups result in broken half-shafts.

I would still get an 01 since they are newer and, only IMO, look better and have better seats.

Just to remind everyone, the 3650 is garbage. Garbage garbage garbage. :-D

[Traveler]

My tranny is still doing fine after 2 years of driving, but there certainly seem to be quite a few complaints about the 3650.

[Matts01cobra]

This is my first post here so let me start this with an introduction. My name is Matt Im from cinci ohio area and have an 01 cobra (and a 02 vert six shooter for the wife). You guys had me in a panic. I was always under the impression all 01 cobras came with the tremec. So your post got me thinking I might not. Thankfully I do (just ran out to the stall to check) Its got the drain plug on the bottom. I was posting this FYI. I have an early model as I ordered it before production began in 01. Its like number 384 I think (would have to go get paperwork to know for sure) built in the first week of March when production on the car began. Now I dont want to stir up no **** cause I been reading a few threads on here and youall are brutal at times. But I thought the 01 cobra came before the Mach 1 and was the first mustang to get it. And I believe all cobras 01 and up have it as well. Now I dont really give a rats ass if Im right or wrong just as long as I had it

[wbpo]

I have not heard of a broken 3650 in my area. Only half shafts which have nothing to do with the tranny and everything to do with poor half shafts. The only issue I have heard is a hard shift issue which I don't have. Nor does anyone else I know. Those who did have the 2-3 hard to shift issue can have a "fix" done by Ford with new parts from Tremec.

[103]

ok, well, let me repeat, the 3650 sucks. I had three. One just randomly died in traffic... After being in my for less than a month in late December. I never got to race with that one since it was off season. It's a poorly designed transmission. Go to the 4.6 Tech forum and look at their 3650 thread. These transmissions are heavy, inefficient, and break easily. It can barely take stock torque (TORQUE! something we barely have in the first place!) from our cars. Add an X-pipe and race on a cold day and BOOM, there goes second... Plus, the input shaft is the same garbage that came with the T-45. It wouldn't cost much for Ford to put strong trannies on our cars. Oh wait, they did. 2003 got a T-56 that can barely handle the power they put out...

Also, the 3650 came out in mid 2001MY. So, the early GTs (made in 2000 but part of the early 2001MY) got T-45s. Starting in mid-2001MY production run (beginning of 2001) the 3650s were put into the Cobra and the GT. I have heard there are different versions, but they all seem to break in the same places on closely powered cars (modded GT, Bullitt and Cobra).

[99SVTAddict]

I agree with this:

T45....bad gears.
3650...bad synchros

T56 barely handling the power the 03 Cobra's make I haven't heard of any breaking. They are handling some serious power as far as I know. I decided to go with the Viper spec T56 though...handles more power, and only a couple hundred more than the other T56's on the market.

My 2 cents.

[103]

Perhaps I missunderstood what I read in some post, but I got the impression some of the 03 guys were replacing some part inside the tranny with a Viper spec part because some were having issues with said part. I just don't remember what part it was. Heh, didn't pay too close attention, I have a TKO.

[sleeper89]

i have also heard of the '03 cobras breaking t-56's. however it is not with the stock power. if i remember correctly the input shaft isn't quite as beefy as other t56's (ie viper) and breaks around 550hp.

as for the 3650 vs. t45 debate, there is NO way the t45 is stronger. it just doesn't make economic sense for Ford to swap to a heavier, more expensive, tranny that is weaker, or for tremec to redesign the 3550 (to make the 3650) to be weaker than the cheaper t45.

-steve

[99SVTAddict]

T45....strong shift forks, weak gears.
3650..weak shift forks, strong gears.

Yes, the Viper spec has a stronger input shaft...more splines.

[103]

ok, look. I can only base it upon my experience. Ford accidentally put a T-45 in as a replacement for my first dead 3650. It took them six months to find a replacement. In that time I knew I had a tranny I could BEAT TO DEATH. I put maybe 100+ runs on that tranny running as hard as I could powershifting. It was good to the day Ford told me they got my 3650. It was the end of racing season and that 3650 died less than a month later street driving. I hate the 3650.

[CobraCruiser]

MM&FF broke a 3650 when they tested the '01. After that, they asked why SVT didn't use the T-56. It was the one area that they didn't improve in '01. Why SVT always chose to be cheap somewhere with the Cobras is beyond me. Be it seats, tranny, brakes (The '00 Cobra R showed what real good brakes would do on a Snake.), too small of a tire/rim combo, cast iron block for the '03, something was always done to cheapen the product in some way.

Either way, I've loved my Cobras and I wouldn't have anything else. I just wish that SVT wouldn't try to shave costs at the expense of the total package, especially for what we pay for these things.

[sleeper89]

i'm not doubting your experience 103, i'm just saying that it isn't the norm. heck, i'm running a 4cyl t5 behind my 306 right now and its doing better than the original t5 with much more abuse.
..go figure

-steve

[SVTStang03]

Engines are the same, trannys are different but just as good as one another... The 2001 does have better axles I give them that. Go for the cheaper one, thats all the more cash for mods

Just my $.02

[103]

Woa, this is an old thread...

[STUD]

Originally Posted by Nazman

Lafear,

You may be right. I just hate to see these 99 vs. 01 deals. Yes, is true they have a few diferences here and there, the intake may be a tad better, the splines count, the seats, the CD player and the bumper....dont let me forget the polished rims option but they are the same. Then it came the coment about "power" and is not completly correct. Yes, we have some weak 99s but I have seen a bunch of "weak" 01s as well.

They are great cars, if the 01 still has some warranty and less milleage, if the $$ vs. $$ makes sense then the 01 is the better purchase.

and by the way......I dont think mine is a freak Just abnormal!

Naz

Hey naz, my dyno tech(steve@ www.powertraindynamics.com) has an underated dyno, or a really, really conservative dyno. He says he's never seen much of a gain with LT OR shorty headers on these cars. I wonder if your car would show those numbers on his dynojet. The highest NA cobra he's ever seen is 320rwhp uncorrected. I dyno'd 311 uncorrected. He says headers have never shown any gains on his dyno. He is probably the best tuner in the country, next to MIKE WESLEY, of course. My car is a 99, no headers, no porting, no inner fender cold air kit. He dyno'd a 03 mach 1 with a full exhaust and all the bolt-ons at 295rwhp uncorrected. I was 16rwhp more than the MACH 1 with the same bolt-ons and tune. I have a feeling that your car would be lower on his dyno. If you ever get a chance, get your car dyno'd there, he's is the best in this part of the country. I'm telling you man, this guys dyno is a tough one. I'm curious what your numbers would be on his dyno. He also mentioned that my midrange power was more than the guy with 320 rwhp. No offense man, just my humble opinion.

Late

[Nazman]

Originally Posted by STUD

Hey naz, my dyno tech(steve@ www.powertraindynamics.com) has an underated dyno, or a really, really conservative dyno. He says he's never seen much of a gain with LT OR shorty headers on these cars. I wonder if your car would show those numbers on his dynojet. The highest NA cobra he's ever seen is 320rwhp uncorrected. I dyno'd 311 uncorrected. He says headers have never shown any gains on his dyno. He is probably the best tuner in the country, next to MIKE WESLEY, of course. My car is a 99, no headers, no porting, no inner fender cold air kit. He dyno'd a 03 mach 1 with a full exhaust and all the bolt-ons at 295rwhp uncorrected. I was 16rwhp more than the MACH 1 with the same bolt-ons and tune. I have a feeling that your car would be lower on his dyno. If you ever get a chance, get your car dyno'd there, he's is the best in this part of the country. I'm telling you man, this guys dyno is a tough one. I'm curious what your numbers would be on his dyno. He also mentioned that my midrange power was more than the guy with 320 rwhp. No offense man, just my humble opinion.

Late

Underated dyno? You mean that it needs to be SERVICE and CALIBRATED?

Any ways, my car has been dynoed in several diferent dynos always displaying good numbers. By the way, just got the car re-dynoed over here in Germany yesterday, on another diferent dyno and it showed a nice 329RWHP, that was with NO COOL OFF just straigth from the road after a nice 1 hour drive (high speed driving). And this dyno (Manufacture by TAT Dynos who supplies Wheel Dynos to Big manufactures like BMW and Porshe over here in Germany) is rated about 8 RWHP LESS than a similar DYNO JET (this is based on hundrets of side by side compartions runs in CONTROL ENVIROMENTS) due to thier loading mechanism (similar to a Mustang Dyno but not as radical change in numbers). So, with that in mind it confirms the gain of o/a 4-5 RWHP provided from the WMS CAI/Pro-M 95mm CAI over the DS/Pro-80mm CAI. So, if we take that 8 HP diference then we will be looking at 337RWHP????

But you are very correct, I may not put down those numbers on your shop.

Naz

[STUD]

Originally Posted by Nazman

Underated dyno? You mean that it needs to be SERVICE and CALIBRATED?

Any ways, my car has been dynoed in several diferent dynos always displaying good numbers. By the way, just got the car re-dynoed over here in Germany yesterday, on another diferent dyno and it showed a nice 329RWHP, that was with NO COOL OFF just straigth from the road after a nice 1 hour drive (high speed driving). And this dyno (Manufacture by TAT Dynos who supplies Wheel Dynos to Big manufactures like BMW and Porshe over here in Germany) is rated about 8 RWHP LESS than a similar DYNO JET (this is based on hundrets of side by side compartions runs in CONTROL ENVIROMENTS) due to thier loading mechanism (similar to a Mustang Dyno but not as radical change in numbers). So, with that in mind it confirms the gain of o/a 4-5 RWHP provided from the WMS CAI/Pro-M 95mm CAI over the DS/Pro-80mm CAI. So, if we take that 8 HP diference then we will be looking at 337RWHP????

But you are very correct, I may not put down those numbers on your shop.

Naz

NAZ,thanx for the reply. The only reason I mentioned this to you was because, steve has tuned tons and tons of GT's and Cobra's. He is so experienced with these cars, that even FORD CONSULTS WITH HIM, honestly, that's the truth. I told him about you, and he said he's tuned thoasands of mustangs and never seen those numbers on a stock(bolt-on's) cobra. He also said that headers, LT'S or shorty's haver never shown much, if any gain on his dyno. The strongest cobra motor he's ever dyno'd was 320rwhp(uncorrected) stock bolt-on parts. But who knows, maybe you would be the first. If you ever get a chance, go to his shop and get it dyno'd.

Also, what octane gas did you use when your car was dyno'd, this 91 octane california gas sucks.

DON'T MESS WITH THE U.S. God bless our U.S MILITARY.

LATE

[Nazman]

Originally Posted by STUD

NAZ,thanx for the reply. The only reason I mentioned this to you was because, steve has tuned tons and tons of GT's and Cobra's. He is so experienced with these cars, that even FORD CONSULTS WITH HIM, honestly, that's the truth. I told him about you, and he said he's tuned thoasands of mustangs and never seen those numbers on a stock(bolt-on's) cobra. He also said that headers, LT'S or shorty's haver never shown much, if any gain on his dyno. The strongest cobra motor he's ever dyno'd was 320rwhp(uncorrected) stock bolt-on parts. But who knows, maybe you would be the first. If you ever get a chance, go to his shop and get it dyno'd.

Also, what octane gas did you use when your car was dyno'd, this 91 octane california gas sucks.

DON'T MESS WITH THE U.S. God bless our U.S MILITARY.

LATE

NP,

You will be surprice how many Bolt-On Cobras have 320+RWHP. Here in Stangnet there are quite a few.

Check out this at Modular Fords

NA Cobra RWHP/TQ Listings

Naz