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02-12-06, 04:29 PM
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| | | what would it take for a 94 cobra to beat an ls1
i was just wondering cause my friend has a 94 cobra with bbk shorty's h pipe (two cats) and flowmasters it also has a short throw shifter and the bbk cold air intake and throttle body (75mm)
i don't remember how much these cobras came stock so i was just wondering what would be enough to take out say a trans am ws6. |
02-12-06, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kronos throttle body (75mm) | 
Anyway .... I think he's gonna need a little more. Besides that, I don't know of many F-bodies out there that haven't been modded as well. So you have to take that into consideration as well. |
02-12-06, 05:11 PM
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i'm not sure if it is a 75mm i was just guesing cause it looks pretty big my friend just bought the car and we are looking to throw maybe a cam on it and in the future some gt 40 heads u/d pullys are also on the way but if we got a sick enough cam would that put us close to the mill of a stock ls1 |
02-12-06, 05:20 PM
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If it's a '94 Cobra ..... it already has GT40 heads. |
02-12-06, 05:26 PM
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oh yeah sorry i know nothing about the 94-95s so i am going into this blindlyits fun though cause it is really expanding my mustang knowledge. what are som other good boltons that i could throw on there and sincve i am guessing the heads are already good enough i should focus money on other things?
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02-12-06, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SeventyMach1 If it's a '94 Cobra ..... it already has GT40 heads. | It has the crap GT-40 heads. You will need aluminum heads, U/D pulleys, and gears to even come close. The addition of a cam to all that will definately do the trick.
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02-12-06, 05:34 PM
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i'm sure your vortech helps alot too do you have any dyno numbers on your setup or at least an estimate |
02-12-06, 06:03 PM
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I agree with Shaun. To keep up with them .... your best bet would be to go with aftermarket H/C/I. Preferably aluminum heads .... but IT CAN be done with WORKED iron heads & the right parts to compliment it. Twisted Wedge & AFR seems to be the popular head choice .... as they average 270-320 HP on our cars (depending on C/I). Do you a little search on heads, cams, intakes on here with the search function. It can reveal tons of info. There's also flow charts in the sticky's as well, I believe.
Or, you can go forced induction. Something else to search ..... |
02-12-06, 06:11 PM
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thanks for the help fellas soon those pesky little formulas will be no match for our stangs. |
02-12-06, 06:48 PM
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A h/c/i 5.0 will probably run with basic stock LS1s....but if they are modded you better have some more in your back pocket. Forced induction, nitrous, or a stroker is a must to have "confidence" when u pull up to a LS1...cause u never know if its modded or stock.
A h/c/i is definately a good start though. |
02-12-06, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nmcgrawj A h/c/i 5.0 will probably run with basic stock LS1s....but if they are modded you better have some more in your back pocket. Forced induction, nitrous, or a stroker is a must to have "confidence" when u pull up to a LS1...cause u never know if its modded or stock.
A h/c/i is definately a good start though. |
Yep. Like in another thread that's going right now .... they have more cubic inches on us. There's no replacement for displacement! (Actually there is ... but I won't get into that here). |
02-12-06, 07:01 PM
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yeah i got a buddy with a 347 stroker in a 76 mustang II and it gets the job done i have access to any tool you could imagine and lifts here on base so with that said how hard are h/c/i installs on 5.0s same with stroking. |
02-13-06, 01:06 PM
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i run with most lid/cutout ls1's around here with only bolt ons. but i drive the **** out of my car. they usually have a good 2-4mph on me so good driving and traction are what do it. |
02-13-06, 01:21 PM
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First thing I'd do is get rid of that 4 cat mid pipe 
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02-13-06, 01:30 PM
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he doesn't have the 4 cat mid pipe it originally was just a real short o/r h pipe but he had to get 2 cats welded in to pass NY inspection. |
02-13-06, 01:34 PM
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I can beat an ls1 even with minor mods with whats in my sig. |
02-13-06, 01:40 PM
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To be blunt, it takes quite a bit just to run with them. H/C/I, gears, traction, and a good driver are a must, even against stock LS1s. Modded ones are even more trouble, so matching parts vs. just throwing random parts together and hoping for a good combination is equally as important. Against a modded LS1, unless you're running a high compression 5.0 with a solid roller cam, 331. 347, or 351 swap, you start getting into the power adder territory, simply to keep up. |
02-13-06, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by WHITE94COBRA I can beat an ls1 even with minor mods with whats in my sig. |
Thats what u call minor?  And the biggest thing which people have touched on is there is a HUGE difference between a LS1 and a modded LS1. Those things are already quick factory...and it only takes a little of this...a little of that...to unleash even more insane power. |
02-13-06, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nmcgrawj Thats what u call minor? And the biggest thing which people have touched on is there is a HUGE difference between a LS1 and a modded LS1. Those things are already quick factory...and it only takes a little of this...a little of that...to unleash even more insane power. | No he meant that he can beat a minor modded ls1 with all of his add ons.. |
02-13-06, 02:51 PM
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ford should just scrap the v6 throw the 4.6 into the base model put the 5.4 in the gt and throw a big block in the cobra. |
02-13-06, 05:02 PM
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There's only one way you're going to easily beat a LS1, upgrade your tyres and suspension, put your car on a strict diet, and own him in the corners.
In a straight line, they just have too much over our 302's but their weight will bite them going through the twisties.
As per your original question on how to beat a ws6, well, luck would be a major part in it. |
02-13-06, 05:14 PM
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My friend Tim has a ws6, he has exhaust, lid, and tune, and I can beat him pretty easily. Now if were talking F.A.S.T intake, head porting and a cam, I dont have much of a chance besides I can drive better than him. I have the advantage all the way to 6500 rpm, thats where my power is basically gone, where as a ls1 still pulls hard there.
And anything short of a R4 or A4 block with forged everything is minor bolt ons to me. j/k nmcgrawj |
02-13-06, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Monsterbishi There's only one way you're going to easily beat a LS1, upgrade your tyres and suspension, put your car on a strict diet, and own him in the corners.
In a straight line, they just have too much over our 302's but their weight will bite them going through the twisties.
As per your original question on how to beat a ws6, well, luck would be a major part in it. |  |
02-13-06, 10:51 PM
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they are far from unbeatable
Most ls1's I've seen at my track run low 14s, high 13s around 99-100. Untuned I went 13.1 @ 104 and had taken care of MULTIPLE ls2 gto's. Tuned I've torn them up pretty good. But they do run!
I've also DRIVEN a 6spd 02 z28. Fun, but not as fast as theyre made out to be. Maybe we have bad air in ohio??
With the right mods and a solid tune in a well driven car, I wouldnt be too scared to line up. Everyone should have a power adder anyways  No squeeze, no fun :P |
02-13-06, 10:52 PM
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AWD helps a bit tho
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