Mustang Forums at StangNet

Ford is suing companies for use of Mustang name?

This is a discussion on Ford is suing companies for use of Mustang name? within the Classic Talk forums, part of the Classic Mustangs category; Check this out........ Ford is suing companies that use trademark names such as "Mustang" ( can I say that now? ...

Go Back   Mustang Forums at StangNet > Mustang Forums > Classic Mustangs > Classic Talk

Over 151,000 Members!!

Register Vendors Garage FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-06, 03:18 PM
jeffnoel's Avatar
Founding Member
 
Join Date: August 2002
Location: Clovis, CA
Posts: 1,681
Ford is suing companies for use of Mustang name?

Check this out........ Ford is suing companies that use trademark names such as "Mustang" ( can I say that now? ) in their trading name. Companies such as "Mustangs Plus" are being ordered to stop using the name in all correspondence and advertising and pay $10,000 in damages.

Ford also states they may go after clubs and publications as well !!!!

Here's a link to the story. http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...73244336366752

I have copied the text here also as they have moved the story a couple times and the link may not be working.

Mustang mayhem
Stockton firm faces suit by Ford for trademark violation

MICHELLE MACHADO
Record Staff Writer
Published Wednesday, May 10, 2006

Mustangs Plus owner Ron Bramlett sits with one of the Mustangs that he provides parts for Tuesday. The Stockton parts store was ordered by Ford Motor Co. lawyers to stop using the sports car name.

STOCKTON - Mustangs Plus Inc., which has spent 25 years building up its specialty parts business under the Mustang moniker, now must tear that trademark from its business and Internet domain names or face a suit by Ford Motor Co.

Compliance with Ford's demands will negatively impact company value in the present and company sales in the future, said Ron Bramlett, a partner in family-owned Mustangs Plus at 2353 N. Wilson Way in Stockton.

"I was a young man when I started this. You work half your life and then have it ******ed," said Bramlett, 52.

Ford also is trying to protect the value of the business it has built since 1903, said Gregory Phillips, a partner in the firm that drafted the cease and desist letter.

"The courts have recognized that a trademark name such as Mustang is an important asset of Ford Motor Co.," Phillips said.

The Feb. 16 letter from Howard, Phillips and Andersen, a Utah law firm representing Ford on intellectual property enforcement matters, asked Mustangs Plus to:

» Transfer to the automaker the registration for mustangsplus.com.

» Submit to government offices all forms necessary to discontinue registration of the Mustangs Plus name.

» Cancel Internet and telephone directory listings and advertising under the Mustangs Plus name.

» Turn over for destruction all signs, banners, business cards and collateral materials.

» Issue a check to Ford for $10,000 in damages.

Since 2000, the firm has sent "hundreds" of similar letters to businesses perceived to have trampled on Ford trademarks, Phillips said.

Ford has been successful in collecting damages in most of those cases.

While most businesses settle out-of-court, about 50 lawsuits have been filed, and all of those were resolved in Ford's favor, according to Phillips.

The scope of trademark infringement actions could be widened to include publications and organizations that use Mustang and other Ford trademarks, he said.

In the 1990's, Ford sent guidelines to selected restoration parts manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers, including Mustangs Plus, authorizing the use of trademarked names as long the business name was accompanied by a qualifying word or phrase such as "vintage" or "classic."

Bramlett and his partners believed Mustangs Plus met that criteria, and a decade of silence from Ford quarters deemed confirmation.

Bramlett believes that the use of the Mustang name by those unaffiliated with Ford amounts to free advertising.

"I have to believe in those years Mustang was glad to have people use the name," Bramlett said.

That argument has been rejected by the courts, Phillips said.

Harry Pulliam, owner of Mustang and Muscle Parts in Oakdale, in the mid-1980's received a letter similar to the one recently delivered to Mustangs Plus.

"I told them a long time ago I would be willing to sell Chevy parts," he said.

Now, two decades later, a legal battle would hardly be worth his while.

"I would just quit," he said.

Intellectual property is a gray area of the law, said Gregg Meath, a Stockton attorney who teaches Internet and computer law at University of the Pacific's McGeorge School of Law.

Meath said that Mustang Plus' use of the trademark is likely fair since it is descriptive and does not imply affiliation with Ford.

"How else are they to tell people what it is they do?" he said.

But, he said, a court battle would be a "big guy vs. little guy" fight that would cost Mustangs Plus tens of thousands of dollars.

"We try to wear the white hats and be reasonable," Phillips said. "It's already bad when you have a big company come after a little company."

For now, Mustangs Plus and Ford are at a stalemate.

"We've spent some time with our attorney, who has spent some time with them. It's very costly and it's going nowhere," Bramlett said.

Phillips also voiced frustration with the lack of resolution.

"Ford is not trying to put this guy out of business. We've offered Mustangs Plus a reasonable transition period of three to six months.

Mustangs Plus partners, who include Bramlett's brother, David, will likely not sign the Ford agreement, viewing such an action as an admission of guilt,

But they have decided to rename the business using the word "restomod," a term referring to car restoration and modification that Mustangs Plus copyrighted.

The wording of the final name has yet to be ironed out, though: That decision must wait for another business to relinquish its hold on the "restomod" moniker.


Contact reporter Michelle Machado at (209) 943-8547 or mmachado@recordnet.com
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-06, 09:47 PM
Cannoball888's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: December 2005
Location: Gainesville, FL
Posts: 326
It's hard to believe Ford would do something like that, because like Brammet said, Mustang restoration parts businesses are not robbing Ford of anything, but giving the Ford company free advertising, and it's also the only way to tell the public what the restoration parts company actually does.

Ford is being really, really petty.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-06, 10:04 PM
fvike's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: August 2004
Location: Mosjøen, Norway
Posts: 309
Thumbs down

Yeah, this is bad PR for Ford.
Btw, can they do that with a name like "Mustang", that is a regular word, and is in use in daily speech? I could understand it better if ie. Mazda was to protect "Rx-7" (a name they invented, it's not a word) in this manner, but this is stupid.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-06, 10:58 PM
Founding Member
 
Join Date: August 2002
Location: lubbock, texas
Posts: 5,621
i think i may sell every ford car and part i own and buy dodge products for the rest of my life. Ford can kiss my ass, because of what they are doing it is going to cost me more to buy parts for my cars and i won't have any part of it. i have always been a loyal ford guy but no longer after this BS.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 05-12-06, 11:16 PM
PonyboyIsaac's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: August 2004
Posts: 117
yeah this is bs, are they gonna make websites like mustangtuning change there name? dallas mustang? sacramento mustang? what a crock of chit
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 05-13-06, 12:21 PM
Max Power's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: July 2003
Location: St Paul
Posts: 1,715
Ford, Harley, MOPAR and GM have been situationally aggressive over the years with this stuff. I remember people getting arrested at Carlisle for sell decals and manuals that weren't licensed, and it was GM that was doing it.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 05-13-06, 02:02 PM
Cobra5.0Jeep's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: November 2005
Location: Grass Valley, CA
Posts: 99
Thats hella dumb, i wonder what idiot in FORD thought that one up.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 05-13-06, 06:30 PM
Member
 
Join Date: August 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 20
The only way to get Ford's attention is to write not email Bill Ford and let him know how you feel. This will cause many businesses to fail just bacause of the $10 K fine attached to this. Ultimately, it will create higher prices for aftermarket parts.

Here is the address. If everyone wirtes it will make a difference. If a few it will not matter. Also, if you have any friends in the press get the word out to them to do stories on this. The more bad press the better!!!

William Clay Ford, Jr.
Ford Motor Company
P.O. Box 685
Dearborn, MI 48126-0685
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 05-13-06, 07:14 PM
StangDreamin''s Avatar
Founding Member
 
Join Date: August 2002
Location: 2nd Ocotillo bush east of the Colorado River; Southern edge of the Gadsden Purchase
Posts: 566
Un-effing-believable! Multiple companies are out there using the name of Ford's phenomenon; while they're promoting themselves, they're still undoubtedly promoting the sales of a continuing Ford product. So Ford sues them for what amounts to free advertising!

I always thought that Bramlett should be slapped around a little for copyrighting "Restomod" (was he/his ad agency really the first to coin that term?); but gimme a break!

Perhaps North American Aviation (or its assigns) should drop the same lawsuit on Ford for 41 years of profiting on the name of North American's P-51 fighter plane

Last edited by StangDreamin'; 05-13-06 at 07:16 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 05-13-06, 08:17 PM
mdjay's Avatar
Premium Sponsor
 
Join Date: December 2003
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 876
This needs the attention of the main stream media! It's been buried for over 6 mos now!
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 05-13-06, 09:14 PM
fox-gt's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: February 2004
Location: TN
Posts: 191
You know these companies are going (doh)

Virgina Mustang
Texas Mustang
Dallas Mustang
California Mustang
Laurel Mountain Mustang
Kentucky Mustang
Sacramento Mustang
Mustangs Unlimited
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 05-14-06, 06:50 AM
Dark Knight's Avatar
Founding Member
 
Join Date: February 2000
Location: Chandler, Az.
Posts: 2,588
Wonder if they could change the name to mu'stang, or just stang...restostang?

As for restomod being copyrighted, I think it's mac that has catback copyrighted, nobody else can use it, including magazines.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 05-14-06, 10:25 AM
Realmongo's Avatar
I prefer to be called "Evil Genius"
 
Join Date: October 2001
Location: Western Mass
Posts: 1,567
I think Ford is being very short-sighted in this if it is true, as it could lead to a back-lash against future Mustang sales in the long run. These companies for years have promoted Mustangs to the enthusists and gave the buyer a reason to purchase the car in the way of popular events and accessories.

Bad Ford!
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 05-14-06, 10:30 AM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Buffalo NY area
Posts: 10
I understand why big companies like Ford do this to protect their IP, but they also need to consider the bad Public relations damage this can cause to an American icon like Mustang, curious how this seems to be so timely when they have a marketing hit with the new generation Mustang. Ford needs to realize how small companies like "Mustangs Plus" and all the others actually fuel and promote the Legend of the Mustang-they should embrace and help make these companies successful which build on the market by offering easy parts access to the hobbiest. It was because of this easy parts access that I decided to restore my '69 Coupe and from that excitment I continued my love affair with the "Mustang" by laying out $30,000+ of my hard earned money for a new 06 GT which was a direct "Profit" to Fords bottom line, which is exactly what I think Ford would want.
Hold fast "Mustangs Plus"-God bless the American Small Business, the back bone of the American Economy.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 05-14-06, 10:35 AM
Official Member
 
Join Date: December 2005
Posts: 71
Ford did lose the right's to the GT40 and the Futura name . I guess they are just protecting the mustang name tag. Since the mustang is the moneymaker in thier stable. I would protect it too, and do the same for Shelby and Cobra.
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 05-14-06, 01:07 PM
jikelly's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: July 2003
Location: Lubbock Tx
Posts: 1,064
What the hell?? Is this for real? Down right dumb if it is. I mean what the hell are those companies going to be called if they can't use mustang in their titles anymore?

I would figure the negative backlash from the diehard mustang junkies, like us would be very bad for Ford's buisness. The mustang and the many mustang owners are critical to Ford. Take a look at thier stock history. Each time a new mustang came out their stock value jumped.

Someone should get Muscle Mustangs or one of the other mustang magazines to do a story on this.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 05-14-06, 05:23 PM
mdjay's Avatar
Premium Sponsor
 
Join Date: December 2003
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 876
Spoke to Donald Farr about it last week and it will be his editorial in the July issue of Mustang Monthly coming out next month.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 05-14-06, 05:41 PM
Cannoball888's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: December 2005
Location: Gainesville, FL
Posts: 326
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdjay
Spoke to Donald Farr about it last week and it will be his editorial in the July issue of Mustang Monthly coming out next month.
Can't wait to read it. Maybe Ford will stop this craziness after seeing it in a national publication.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 66mustang93
You know these companies are going (doh)

Virgina Mustang
Texas Mustang
Dallas Mustang
California Mustang
Laurel Mountain Mustang
Kentucky Mustang
Sacramento Mustang
Mustangs Unlimited
Not if they change their names to:

Virgina Moosetang
Texas Mushtang
Dallas Mustank
California Muztang
Laurel Mountain Musstang
Kentucky Mustangg
Sacramento Must-ang
Mustingz Unlimited

Hmmm. Doesn't really work to convey what these businesses actually do.

Last edited by Cannoball888; 05-15-06 at 09:26 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 05-15-06, 12:44 AM
65up2d8's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: March 2005
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 279
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannoball888
Can't wait to read it. Maybe Ford will stop this craziness after seeing it in a national publication.


Not if they change their names to:

Virgina Moosetang
Texas Mushtang
Dallas Mustank
California Muztang
Laurel Mountain Musstang
Kentucky Mustangg
Sacramento Must-ang
Mustingz Unlimited

Hmmm. Doesn't really work to convey what these actually businesses do.
Cannonball888, please include the name of our esteemed colleague's company on your list of companies, namely Mustang Depot, which is owned by MDJAY, who has posted on this very thread. MDJAY is a down to earth guy and a real asset we have at our disposal on this forum.
I don't see owners of the other companies posting on here and helping enthusiasts by sharing their knowledge, and although, in the past, I have bought a lot of parts from Mustangs Plus, I don't intend to do so in the future. Ron Bramlett has only appeared on this forum when his company was under attack, and although I agreed that his company was being somewhat unfairly attacked, I would have appreciated some continued association with this forum on his part. I feel much worse for a guy like MDJAY who quite obviously loves this hobby and the people involved in it than I do about the people who are just involved in it to make a buck.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 05-15-06, 08:04 AM
Max Power's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: July 2003
Location: St Paul
Posts: 1,715
Unfortunately, while I applaud the efforts of Donald Farr, I think a little article in a Mustang Enthusiast magazine will have little effect on public opinion, in the big picture, anyway.

Ford too has been a victim of this. They lost the name to the GT40 when a private party licensed the name to squat on it and try to get cash from Ford for it. That is also why Ford tractors were called Fordsons for years. Henry Ford was not about to pay some privateer for the use of his name on his own tractors, so he just called them Fordsons.

Anybody in the publishing industry already knows that Ford, in doing this, has changed little in the last 20 years. If your car calendar has even one picture of a Ford product in it, be prepared to get a call from their lawyers.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 05-15-06, 08:56 AM
Cannoball888's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: December 2005
Location: Gainesville, FL
Posts: 326
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65up2d8
Cannonball888, please include the name of our esteemed colleague's company on your list of companies, namely Mustang Depot, which is owned by MDJAY, who has posted on this very thread...
65up2d8, if you read carefully, I didn't come up with the list---I was only responding to the list that 66mustang93 originally posted. Nevertheless, I agree with you about MDJAY, and we can certainly add his company too. Hopefully, he won't need to change the name to Muststung Depot.
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 05-15-06, 09:16 AM
mdjay's Avatar
Premium Sponsor
 
Join Date: December 2003
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 876
Thanks for the kind words. However this affects everybody, including the consumers.

As for us, we have a contingency plan in place that should go into affect very soon. It's unfortunate but necessary as we don't want to be stomped on by the giant.

While Donald's efforts are honorable, the circulation is much to small to make a heavy impact. Like I said before, this needs the attention of the main stream media like CNN etc.

Either way, we're changing our name. We don't want to see them again 20 years from now.
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 05-15-06, 12:15 PM
chepsk8's Avatar
Founding Member
 
Join Date: January 2001
Location: Easton, PA
Posts: 2,138
Hang in there Jay.

Reminds me of that grouchy old man and his vengance against the replicas. Funny thing is now one of the replica companies is now building his "Real" cobras!
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 05-15-06, 01:17 PM
1320stang's Avatar
Founding Member
 
Join Date: November 1998
Location: Edmond, Oklahoma
Posts: 4,238
Stang Depot sounds good. I've now copyrighted it, wanna buy it for $50k? J/K

Obsolete Ford Parts here in OKC had to change their name to Classic Auto Parts. Funny thing was, they had Ford's permission to use the name and then it all turned around about 3 years ago. I guess this will affect Mustang Parts of Oklahoma as well.

Thing I wonder is, are all the magazines and websites going to have to change their names as well?
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 05-15-06, 02:46 PM
jikelly's Avatar
Official Member
 
Join Date: July 2003
Location: Lubbock Tx
Posts: 1,064
Mdjay I hope this all goes well for you. I want your buisness to grow so you can start making parts for the 71-73 stang, preferably a rack and pinion setup, fiberglass hood, new front bumper covers, I could go on.

We're getting married in Vegas July 2nd, maybe we can get together again.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads

Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Complaint Letter rjla67 2005 - 2009 Talk 54 12-14-05 05:20 PM
Will Ford have a good ad campain for the Mustang?? Mustang5L5 2005 - 2009 Talk 11 09-22-04 07:50 PM
Anyone with carfaxs??? 88GTMustang 5.0 Tech 1 02-05-04 10:44 PM
Can someone run me a carfax? 92Patrol5.0 5.0 Tech 6 02-05-04 12:51 PM
Gran Turismo 4 Car list rudeone707 94-95 Tech 58 02-02-04 05:06 PM

 




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:11 AM.