[RedS281GT]

Just wanted everyone know that i'm testing a new experimental intake for my Saleen. It's made by Tork Tech and the quality is amazing! I'll be taking it up to Dynospeed in Memphis for some testing in the next few weeks. Can't wait to see what numbers this thing produces! Enjoy the pics!


00 GT vert
Series II S/C
BBK long tubes & o/r x-pipe, pro 5.0, 3:55's, TT inlet, cobra TB, 66mm pulley,
90mm TB, Chicane intercooler, hand ported lower intake, SCT


the new intake is on the bottom.

[RedS281GT]

Wow, the enthusiasm is overwhelming!!

[bill89saleen304]

It's not for my year of car, but it looks to be a pretty nice piece!
Looks like it should flow alot better than thta stocker Saleen unit!


Bill

[03-s281]

Originally Posted by RedS281GT

Wow, the enthusiasm is overwhelming!!

Thats how I feel every time I get on this section.

Looks like a very nice piece. HPP makes similar elbows for Whipple and KB's.

[Blinkstang]

Sounds very interesting! I have a Series II myself with various modifications. I'd be interested in more info, with before/after numbers, price, etc... Thanks for posting! What kind of numbers are you putting down now with the Chicane Intercooler? I hope you keep the thread updated despite the lack of activity in this section.

[Gearbanger 101]

Too bad you didn't get the rest of the kit to go with it. The Tork Tech kits utilize an Eaton M112 compared to your Saleens M90.

....hardly seems worth the trouble IMO, but if you got it cheap and have some time on your hands, why not.

[RedS281GT]

Thanks for the compliments guys! I'll definitely keep this thread updated! To answer a few questions:
Yeah, I was looking at the whole kit, but decided to see what the mp90 could really do if it had the right set up. With everything that i've put into the engine (chicane intercooler, ported intake, etc.) I didn't want to throw all that money away just to get a slightly bigger blower. Also, the kit would have demanded that I get a taller hood and money is a little tight right now. I could see getting the blower by itself in the future.
Personally, i was never one to blame the lack of power on the blower. I always felt that the long intake runners, small inlet, and non cooled air were the biggest problems, but I could be wrong!
I don't have any numbers on the intercooler. Joe at Chicane said it would work with the Saleen flash, so I haven't had it to the dyno yet. He told me to expect about 6hp per pound of boost. To be honest, the flash has held up well to all the mods I have done thus far. I'll also be adding the 66mm pulley to the mix, so the numbers should be impressive! And i'll try to get some before and after results.

[chrissaleen]

unfortunately not for my car either, but it does look like a nice piece of work. be interesting to see how it does on the dyno, looks like it would definitely be better than the restrictive saleen piece. keep us informed.

[Red_Devil]

So what was the cost on that piece if you dont mind me asking? Ive been looking for something like that myself!

[Disco]

yea i think charles from magnum powers desighned that kit i have the mp blower on my lightning and it rocks. You should pick up some power and i hope to run my mustang again this year and beat my 11.9 at 116mph number

[RedS281GT]

I ended up spending a little over $1,000 on everything. The inlet was 550, the single blade tb was 300 (btw best price on the market for a single blade) and standard prices for everything else.
Disco, after it's all said and done, if I could run an 11.9 like you i'd be very happy. Good luck with your car!

[RedS281GT]

Finally got some pics of the install. Wow, what a huge difference! I'm sure i'll see more out of it when it get dyno tuned. Hope you enjoy!

[Gearbanger 101]

Man, I almost forgot about this thread. Looks great on there. That should take in some "huge" air. Now, lets just see how the little M90 handles it. Any bets on whether or not you'll pick up a pound or two of boost?

[pbm.cc]

any updates? I love how the charger looks black! i might want to do the same to mine. Yours isn't a Saleen? looks sharp.

member...rwhp numbers with the intercooler and the new intake, also with the 66mm pulley I am leaning towards your setup, and I would love to see the results and the total amount of boost after the intake and pulley.

[2000xp8]

As for i do think it looks like a major improvement.
$1000 seems like alot to invest in an m90 setup.
I would of sold the saleen blower, then added the $1000 you spent to upgrade it and then just bought a vortech.
It it were to be on a real saleen, keeping the factory blower i could understand, although me personally, i wouldn't.

[pbm.cc]

Originally Posted by 2000xp8

As for i do think it looks like a major improvement.
$1000 seems like alot to invest in an m90 setup.
I would of sold the saleen blower, then added the $1000 you spent to upgrade it and then just bought a vortech.
It it were to be on a real saleen, keeping the factory blower i could understand, although me personally, i wouldn't.

I kinda agree with yah, I have the 02 sc281 and I might do it just to keep the factory blower look and since the bottom end is a ticking time bomb why upgrade so high, However if your going to sell the M90 why not do it right and get turbo/s or KB2.6L... I have had S trims' for fox bodies, v1 and v2sq and I would much rather lean towards a Twin screw blower. However you should built a motor on the side and add whatever kind of power adder that you want, anything bigger on the stock internals is just a bomb waiting to go off.

I would love results before and after, thanks for all the info and good luck.

[2FNFAST]

ordered this about a month ago but i made em polish it to match the work stiege did on the little huffer of mine. Can't wait to see this baby chromed out instead of the ****ty plastic inlet.

Can you help me out on what you did for the throttle cable? Also any other tricks i should know on the install? My motors out of the car right now. Just threw on the chromed bbk valve cover, god i can't wait to see my engine bay finished. I am gonna need to wear shades to open my hood with all the $ i've wasted on polished parts...

[RedS281GT]

Sorry it took so long to respond. I don't have any updates as of yet. Money has been a little tight, although getting a tune during the summer is first on my list. Thanks for showing interest in my project, guys!

To answer a few questions, yes $1,000 is a lot of money to spend on an mp90 setup. But the inlet was only $550. The S4 inlet from Saleen ran around $600 last time I checked, which is a joke, btw! I also got an amazing high quality single blade throttle body for $300! the rest was the MAF adapter, K&N, and an plastic inlet tube. The cobra guys are seeing a lot of gains with the single blade and the plastic tube so I thought it was worth it to try out.

This was just the next step for me. I agree about the time bomb and I really didn't have the money to forge the bottom end just yet. All of the research done on the blower (Hoppy), and others, has shown that everything, but the blower, is the reason for limited power. The lower intake was the biggest problem, followed by the crappy intercooler, belt slip, and inlet restrictions. There have been a few that put the S4 inlet tube on and gained around 10-15 rwhp. definitely not worth $600, but I could be on that same boat. I just know that roots blower super sensitive to inlet restrictions and I definitely don't have those anymore!

I really just want to be the first to use the blower to hit the 425-430 rwhp on the stock engine and no spray. Might get me in a mag if I can do it. And I love the way the blower looks, guess this why I haven't switched it out for something else. And who knows, after I forge it, this new inlet kit would be a perfect fit for a twin turbo/compound boost set up

Sorry for the long post. BTW: Thanks, but no, it not a real Saleen. It's not that f#@*in F-word either. Everything on the car is real and I installed it myself. I have some pics of it on the "post pics" thread. Didn't mean to vent.

00 GT vert
Series II S/C
BBK long tubes & o/r x-pipe, pro 5.0, 3:55's, TT inlet, cobra TB, 66mm pulley,
90mm TB, Chicane intercooler, hand ported lower intake, SCT

[RedS281GT]

Congrats on the buy! Sounds like an awesome setup! Makes me feel less crazy knowing that i'm not the only one.

Yeah, just send me your e-mail and I can send you some of the fabrication I had to do to get it to fit. It would be another long post if I did it here.

I had to get a cobra throttle cable and its a bit too long. I'm still looking at ways to take up some slack.

00 GT vert
Series II S/C
BBK long tubes & o/r x-pipe, pro 5.0, 3:55's, TT inlet, cobra TB, 66mm pulley,
90mm TB, Chicane intercooler, hand ported lower intake, SCT

[Gearbanger 101]

Originally Posted by RedS281GT

There have been a few that put the S4 inlet tube on and gained around 10-15 rwhp. definitely not worth $600, but I could be on that same boat.

Oh, I wouldn't say that. How many mods can you think of other than nitrous that give you 10-15rwhp for $600 or less?

[RedS281GT]

I agree. For the power, $600 is very reasonable. The reason I said that was because it was a part not designed to work with the series II and because there was no alternative available at the time, someone could charge that price. There should have been a high quality replacement made a long time ago.

00 GT vert
Series II S/C
BBK long tubes & o/r x-pipe, pro 5.0, 3:55's, TT inlet, cobra TB, 66mm pulley,
90mm TB, Chicane intercooler, hand ported lower intake, SCT

[pbm.cc]

Originally Posted by RedS281GT

I agree. For the power, $600 is very reasonable. The reason I said that was because it was a part not designed to work with the series II and because there was no alternative available at the time, someone could charge that price. There should have been a high quality replacement made a long time ago.

00 GT vert
Series II S/C
BBK long tubes & o/r x-pipe, pro 5.0, 3:55's, TT inlet, cobra TB, 66mm pulley,
90mm TB, Chicane intercooler, hand ported lower intake, SCT

Is there any way that we can use the series II s/c on the TORK TECH lower intake? I called them yesterday, very helpful guy, I am going to by the intake,tb, CAI and adapter. Quoted right at about $1000.00. I dont mind, you can tell that the saleen one is just holding back the charger. I will also upgrade the intercooler and install cams plus the mosaleen idler and 66mm pulley. I am installing shorties this weekend and maybe some 3.55's. I honestly believe that the sII should give more that what everyone thinks, just that saleen engineers cant figure out how to create better flowing intakes (inlet and lower) and intercoolers.

As far as the gas cable, the guy said we need a stock GT gas cable to make it work. Said at the dealer should be about $50.00.

I love how it looks in black with the black charger. I might do the same.

Props man, and work some OT and get the dyno done!!! geez.... hurry up im dying over here!

[Gearbanger 101]

This might take off in a couple different directions here, but bare with me.....

I don't think it's a matter of Saleen engineers not being able to construct a better intake at this point. It likely because the 2V powered Mustang is 3-years gone now and it's not feasible for them to go back to the drawing board and knock out another design when the 3V engine is what’s making them all of the money at this point. Unless you absolutely had to keep the Saleen kit, I'd start from scratch with the entire Tork Tech unit from the get go and save myself the headache of all that custom work. Trust me, I've customized everything on my REV I Allen kit from one end to the other and it's still not making anywhere near the amount of power it should to justify the effort and additional cost.

The Tork Tech kits on the other hand are where it's at IMO and the absolute best choice right now for a 2V powered Mustang. The Eaton M112 Tork Tech kit seems every bit as capable as the kit utilizing the 2.1L Twin screw being put out by Kenne Bell (at least to the point where forged internals will need to be used), it comes with a better selection of supporting components as standard equipment and is way...way better priced! I sat down and priced it out one day and after comparing the 9psi intercooled Tork Tech kit to the Kenne Bell 2.1L kit and the additional suporting components you'd need to buy for it for an equal comparison, there was something like an $1,800 difference between the two!!! Yeah, I’ve heard the arguments about Twin Screw efficiency over the Eaton but numbers don’t like. I’ve seen 9psi Kenne Bell kits barely able to crack 370rwhp and 14lb kits unable to break 440rwhp. The Tork Tech units are making those same numbers with the M112 and aren’t charging you an arm and a leg to do so. If big power is what you're after, the TVS blower swap is literally less than half the cost of the 2.6L blower swap for the Kenne Bell 2V kit and it seems every bit as capable.....and still clears the stock hood line!!!

You watch, once this Tork Tech kits catch on you're gonna see a lot of the other manufacturers drop their prices like a stone, just to keep up. If it were me, I’d be littering this kit on ever single issue of MM&FF and 5.0L & Super Fords until the cows came home. It’s advertising (or the lack of) that makes or breaks a company, not product. Do you guys honestly believe that a company like Kenne Bell puts out the superior product compared to the rest? Allen Engine Development was proof that a lack of advertising will kill a dream. Their REV II manifold and 5th Generation M90 design was probably one of the best out there for those looking for something in street level trim. It easily hung with the early Kenne Bell 1.7L and current 2.1L twin screw kits into the 400hp range, but their lack of motivation to push the product and make people know of it’s existence led to their demise (that and poor management as far as I’m concerened). Most people I know never even heard of the company? I firmly believe if they would have sunk more money inter advertising, they could have been one of the leaders in 2V performance right now.

...end of rant.

[pbm.cc]

Originally Posted by Gearbanger 101

This might take off in a couple different directions here, but bare with me.....

I don't think it's a matter of Saleen engineers not being able to construct a better intake at this point. It likely because the 2V powered Mustang is 3-years gone now and it's not feasible for them to go back to the drawing board and knock out another design when the 3V engine is what’s making them all of the money at this point. Unless you absolutely had to keep the Saleen kit, I'd start from scratch with the entire Tork Tech unit from the get go and save myself the headache of all that custom work. Trust me, I've customized everything on my REV I Allen kit from one end to the other and it's still not making anywhere near the amount of power it should to justify the effort and additional cost.

The Tork Tech kits on the other hand are where it's at IMO and the absolute best choice right now for a 2V powered Mustang. The Eaton M112 Tork Tech kit seems every bit as capable as the kit utilizing the 2.1L Twin screw being put out by Kenne Bell (at least to the point where forged internals will need to be used), it comes with a better selection of supporting components as standard equipment and is way...way better priced! I sat down and priced it out one day and after comparing the 9psi intercooled Tork Tech kit to the Kenne Bell 2.1L kit and the additional suporting components you'd need to buy for it for an equal comparison, there was something like an $1,800 difference between the two!!! Yeah, I’ve heard the arguments about Twin Screw efficiency over the Eaton but numbers don’t like. I’ve seen 9psi Kenne Bell kits barely able to crack 370rwhp and 14lb kits unable to break 440rwhp. The Tork Tech units are making those same numbers with the M112 and aren’t charging you an arm and a leg to do so. If big power is what you're after, the TVS blower swap is literally less than half the cost of the 2.6L blower swap for the Kenne Bell 2V kit and it seems every bit as capable.....and still clears the stock hood line!!!

You watch, once this Tork Tech kits catch on you're gonna see a lot of the other manufacturers drop their prices like a stone, just to keep up. If it were me, I’d be littering this kit on ever single issue of MM&FF and 5.0L & Super Fords until the cows came home. It’s advertising (or the lack of) that makes or breaks a company, not product. Do you guys honestly believe that a company like Kenne Bell puts out the superior product compared to the rest? Allen Engine Development was proof that a lack of advertising will kill a dream. Their REV II manifold and 5th Generation M90 design was probably one of the best out there for those looking for something in street level trim. It easily hung with the early Kenne Bell 1.7L and current 2.1L twin screw kits into the 400hp range, but their lack of motivation to push the product and make people know of it’s existence led to their demise (that and poor management as far as I’m concerened). Most people I know never even heard of the company? I firmly believe if they would have sunk more money inter advertising, they could have been one of the leaders in 2V performance right now.

...end of rant.

I was leaning that route but I have a truck note that is kickin my ass for 3 years! so I kinda wanted to mod this motor and S2 charger till I can actually built a motor or buy a built shortblock and then really boost it up.

I started to price it all out--- still need a few things, fuel pump and injectors and MAF I think.

2002 SALEEN MOD LIST

1. MOSALEEN idler
$160.00

2. CHICANE PULLEY 66MM
$96.00

3. CHICANE INTERCOOLER
$800.00

4. TORK TECH INTAKE
$1000.00
inlet plenum + TB + gasket + and egr adapter.
tel:513-697-0060 (sales)

5. ANDERSON CAMS
$629.00
part# F-42
2s412/98

S/C 8-13 lb. 4.6 Best performer up to 6200 rpm. Nice idle, good driveability down to 1800 rpm, performance range 2400-6200 rpm. Recommend AFM valve spring kit but stock valve springs will work. Works best with 80mm mass air, 70mm throttle body and TFS or Dragon Plenum. Headers and ported P.I. heads are suggested.
Gears 3.27 to 4.10. With automatic transmisison needs 2800-3000 converter.


***TOTAL=$2,685.00
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TORK TECH S/C KIT

http://www.torktech.com/index.asp?Pa...WPROD&ProdID=2

STANDARD Magnuson M112 Positive Displacement Supercharger with self contained synthetic lubrication
STANDARD 8 Rib Supercharger Drive System with Independent Crank Pulley allowing capability to run larger Crank Pulleys for More Boost
STANDARD items that come in our Complete kit:
Cold air intake system
90mm Mass Airflow Meter
Huge oval throttle body (63mm X 130mm)
Heavy duty air to water intercooler system with massive 3"x7.25"x27" front mounted heat exchanger
42-pound fuel injectors
High volume fuel pump
SCT Chip with custom tune
Aerodynamically designed intake plenum
Aluminum lower intake manifold with remote coolant thermostat
All hardware, brackets, hoses, and installation instructions
Available extended length hood scoop allows room for uncompromised intake manifold design and good looks. **
The standard items above provide maximum safe allowable stock engine power and allow for significant future power improvements.
Installation is straight-forward and can be completed by any do-it-yourselfers with basic hand tools in about 6 to 8 hours.
Easy, low cost upgrades available to allow for significantly higher boost and power levels when the time comes. Requires only: a built engine, larger crank pulley, low cost fuel delivery upgrade option from TTI and new custom tune.
UPGRADEABLE to the Magnuson 1900 TVS blower for only $999 for power levels in excess of 600 HP!
One year warranty!
** Note: For clearance the stock hood needs to be modified and TTI offers an optional extended stealth hood scoop to externally hide these changes. An aftermarket raised Cobra R type hood, or equivalent design, will also provide proper clearance

***TOTAL=$4,299.99
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12:55 PM 5/20/2008
** TS1000-99-BK KIT 120
$5499.00

9-25 PSI KIT W/AC ('99 UP 4.6 MUSTANG 2V) INTERCOOLED INCLUDES: BOOST-A-PUMP, COBRA BIG DUAL TB ("TUNER KIT") 2.6L
Note: ("Tuner Kit") Requires Cobra R type hood for supercharger clearance.
(Injectors, belt, chip and 8 rib system not included. See Tech Tips for required accessories not included in kit)

***TOTAL=$5,499.00


at the end of the day if I can get near 400rwhp from the S2 I would be happy for the S2 charger.

Sorry, im just trying to do my homework. You know...

[RedS281GT]

Hey guys! Didn't have a huge update to post, but wanted to let everyone know that I finally have enough money to get my fuel pump and injectors so I can head up to Dynospeed. I'm having troube finding the best place to get 42# injectors. $329 is the best i've seen so far. If anyone has a suggestion on where to get them, let me know. I'll be shooting for having everything in this week and heading up to Memphis next week! Thanks for the help!



00 GT vert
Series II S/C
BBK long tubes & o/r x-pipe, pro 5.0, 3:55's, TT inlet, cobra TB, 66mm pulley,
90mm TB, Chicane intercooler, hand ported lower intake, SCT