[Wart]

Originally Posted by Ike83

You know, I can't count how many times you've demonized Israel as a terrorist nation poboy.

I have to agree with you , Ike.

Israel is less a terrorist nation and more of a Rogue Nation with roots in the use of terror.

[Yobi1Kanobi]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Unfortunately it already has become an abomination, no matter who is in control. I wish for these things to be bought up during the debates, and just get all the facts out in the open from both sides.

I personally think that UNIONS eat at the core of a company and destroy it from within.

[90mustangGT]

Don't forget the money that Obama got from the fundraisers hosted by MOVEON AND DAILY KOAS! Lets talk about George Soros. Lets talk about hollywood's contributions to Obama.

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Ike83

You know, I can't count how many times you've demonized Israel as a terrorist nation poboy. It almost becomes sad after a while. I mean, are you under the impression that the Jews (who are obviously the bad guys in your opinion) simply got what they DESERVED during the Holocaust? Should we have been HELPING Nazi Germany irradicate these dangerous people instead of fighting against the fascist German army?

I've stated before that the Zionists, who are in control if Israel, are the ones who set policy, lots of Jewish people see these imposters for what they are, faux Jews. If you don't believe the things on Israel, look it up, though I've posted links for you in the past. And no about helping Nazi Germany, you're distorting things again, however we come close to helping Israel do to the Palestinians, what the Nazis did to the jews.

I'm just sayin. You seem to rationalize ANYTHING that a terrorist organization says or does, and have only implied that ANY fault remain solely on the Israeli nation.

They invaded Palestine, what did they expect?

What about the attack on the U.S.S. Cole? What about the U.S. embassy bombing in Africa? Or the Beirut bombing in Lebanon killing 241 Americans? Are these all excusable to you based on your belief that ISRAEL is at fault?

Horrible events to say the least, but again look at our foreign policy and how one sided towards Israel it is,and you will know why these people hate that policy. Actually most people in the middle east like Americans, but hate the policy and the people that are put into office by the uninformed or ignorant US public. WHAT ABOUT THE ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY BY ISRAEL, AND CONDONED AND COVERED UP BY LYNDON JOHNSON??

Are the people who carried out these attacks just simply MISGUIDED? These terrorists are killing INNOCENT people, yet it's ok when THEY do it, just not ok if WE (accidentally) do it in Iraq, Vietnam, World War 2, the Civil War, or ANY other war for that matter. You're so quick to demonize America and it's Allies then to actually take a look at the people we're fighting here.

The people who carry out these attacks are oppressed, AND misguided, by the radicals who recruit them, but why are they so easily recruited? Because of the FOREIGN POLICY BIAS OF THE UNITED STATES, that's why. And Israel kills innocent people all the time. Geez you call yourself a Christian, but disregard the teachings of Christ, to support a regime that laughs at you behind your back for claiming him as your savior.

Yes, like I said before, I KNOW America isn't perfect, and America hasn't ALWAYS made the right decisions. But at least we ARE fighting a noble cause against a people whose ideas are to strap bombs on mentally handicapped women, send them into a crowd, and DETONATE THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF PEOPLE!

I wonder how different things would be if we truly embraced a new direction and treated every nation fairly. We would truly be admired, by the world and blessesd by the almighty, if we actually lived and conducted ourselves according to the principles we preach to everybody else.

THOSE are the people I'm worried about. The terrorists who are never satisfied and WON'T stop at anything to kill someone they deem the enemy. No amount of land, money, or wealth is going to stop them from coming after Israel, Europe, or the United States.

You could say the same thing about the Zionist, the difference is they have actually infiltrated those countries already.

Any way McCain DOES have lobbyist that support foreign nations, if you consider the state of Israel, and Georgia. But then again it seems Obama has passed the Israeli test for president also

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Wart

I have to agree with you , Ike.

Israel is less a terrorist nation and more of a Rogue Nation with roots in the use of terror.

This is true Wart, I will agree also, but hey generalities can spin both ways

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Wart

Yep, O'l Johnny sure slipped out of that one, the Keating Scandal.

And how unfair and rude of you to keep bringing up McCains history, don't you know we're suppose to get down there and Gob Knobble his POW thing and conveniently ignore the lobbying and selling out of America and everything else about the man?

But, Hey, theres Pigs and Lipstick to worry about.

I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy that's all

[strtrcr50]

Update: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Lawmakers
Published by Lindsay Renick Mayer on September 11, 2008 11:26 AM | Permalink | Comments (7)
When the federal government announced two months ago that it would prop up mortgage buyers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, CRP looked at how much money members of Congress had collected since 1989 from the companies. On Sunday the government completely took over the two government-sponsored enterprises, and we've returned to our data to bring you the updates, this time providing a list of all 354 lawmakers who have gotten money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (in July we posted the top 25). These totals are based on data released electronically from the FEC on Sept. 2 and include contributions to lawmakers' leadership PACs and candidate committees from the floundering companies' PACs and employees. Current members of Congress have received a total of $4.8 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, with Democrats collecting 57 percent of that. This week we also wrote about how much money lawmakers had invested of their own money in the companies last year--a total of up to $1.7 million.

All Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

Name Office State Party Grand Total Total from
PACs Total from
Individuals
Dodd, Christopher J S CT D $165,400 $48,500 $116,900
Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349 $6,000 $120,349
Kerry, John S MA D $111,000 $2,000 $109,000
Bennett, Robert F S UT R $107,999 $71,499 $36,500
Bachus, Spencer H AL R $103,300 $70,500 $32,800
Blunt, Roy H MO R $96,950 $78,500 $18,450
Kanjorski, Paul E H PA D $96,000 $57,500 $38,500
Bond, Christopher S 'Kit' S MO R $95,400 $64,000 $31,400
Shelby, Richard C S AL R $80,000 $23,000 $57,000
Reed, Jack S RI D $78,250 $43,500 $34,750
Reid, Harry S NV D $77,000 $60,500 $16,500
Clinton, Hillary S NY D $76,050 $8,000 $68,050
Davis, Tom H VA R $75,499 $13,999 $61,500
Boehner, John H OH R $67,750 $60,500 $7,250
Conrad, Kent S ND D $64,491 $22,000 $42,491
Reynolds, Tom H NY R $62,200 $53,000 $9,200
Johnson, Tim S SD D $61,000 $20,000 $41,000
Pelosi, Nancy H CA D $56,250 $47,000 $9,250
Carper, Tom S DE D $55,889 $31,350 $24,539
Hoyer, Steny H H MD D $55,500 $51,500 $4,000
Pryce, Deborah H OH R $55,500 $45,000 $10,500
Emanuel, Rahm H IL D $51,750 $16,000 $35,750
Isakson, Johnny S GA R $49,200 $35,500 $13,700
Cantor, Eric H VA R $48,500 $46,500 $2,000
Crapo, Mike S ID R $47,250 $40,500 $6,750
Frank, Barney H MA D $42,350 $30,500 $11,850
Bean, Melissa H IL D $41,249 $34,999 $6,250
Bayh, Evan S IN D $41,100 $16,500 $24,600
McConnell, Mitch S KY R $41,000 $40,000 $1,000
Maloney, Carolyn B H NY D $39,750 $16,500 $23,250
Dorgan, Byron L S ND D $38,750 $30,500 $8,250
Miller, Gary H CA R $38,000 $31,500 $6,500
Rangel, Charles B H NY D $38,000 $14,750 $23,250
Tiberi, Patrick J H OH R $35,700 $32,600 $3,100

Barack Obama is the second biggest recipient of political money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the last ten years. And he’s only been in Washington for four.

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[Ike83]

Here's the thing poboy. We have people to protect. That's the bottom line. At this point it really doesn't matter anymore who started the first ever war in the history of existence. The fact remains that whether WE are the ones at fault or not, putting down our guns and re-treating from Iraq will NOT stop the crazy yoo-hoos in this world from wanting to kill everybody who doesn't believe what they do. Look at the 90s for instance. We had a President who was all layed back and chilled, never bothered anyone, played the saxophone on TV, and finished his term with a 60% approval rating, even in SPITE of the whole "Monica Lewinsky" scandal and lying to the American people. From what I understand, Clinton avoided most confrontations. You had the first World Trade Center bombing in '93, which was handled by the police force and treated as a criminal case. And then you had the U.S. Embassy bombing in Africa, and THAT was handled by the police and treated as a criminal case. It wasn't until 2001 when the twin towers fell that our government FINALLY declared that terrorism was a real threat.

So my point is, is whether we fight these guys, or we turn a blind eye and try to avoid them at all costs, they STILL live under the belief that all Jews and all Christians are infidels, and should be treated like slaves or KILLED. I mean, there's no getting around that fact. This has nothing to do with me wanting to be involved in any Holy War because I'm some crazy Bible thumper. I'm simply concerned, as any normal human being should be, that there are people out there who want to KILL us because their religion says it's what they're supposed to do, and there's NOTHING we can say to them to stop them...not even by saying "we're sorry".

We all remember the 90s when Clinton tried turning a blind eye, and even chose NOT to catch Osama bin Laden twice when he had the chance. But even while America was at peace, Islam never slept. In fact, it's even arguable that Al Qaeda became the strongest it had ever been in the 90s due to Clinton's reluctance to do anything that would offend ANYBODY really, including Yasser Arafat...Clinton's homey.

So if turning a blind eye and staying OUT of the radicals' way won't stop them from attacking us at every opportunity, then I suggest there come a time when we wisen up and DO something about it. That time came September 11, 2001. And instead of trying to look for reasons WHY these people did it, and try to sympathize with them and excuse their actions by blaming ourselves, I'd prefer to get revenge for the THOUSANDS of American lives they took on that day. THOUSANDS of wives lost husbands. THOUSANDS of husbands lost wives, and THOUSANDS of sons and daughters lost their fathers and mothers. Sympathizing for those terrorists cowards is the LAST thing on my list, cause they could care LESS what I think, or what YOU think. They would kill YOU just as fast as they would kill ME, the only difference is, is I'd be shooting at them before they ever got close. You see, I'm not naive enough to believe that they are just misguided people who can be reasoned with. How does that saying go, "you can't fix stupid".

Anyway, America isn't the ONLY country that Islam has bombed, and threatened, and attacked. Remember the train bombing in Madrid Spain back in 2004? How about the subway bombings that go off over in Europe? ANYBODY who stands against radical Islam is put to the sword...mercilessly. Whether you think you understand them or not, they hate liberals just as much as they hate conservatives.

[poboys 94]

Look at the 90s for instance. We had a President who was all layed back and chilled, never bothered anyone, played the saxophone on TV, and finished his term with a 60% approval rating, even in SPITE of the whole "Monica Lewinsky" scandal and lying to the American people. From what I understand, Clinton avoided most confrontations.

It is well known that Clinton had a lot of info about Bin Laden including strategy and suggestions for how to deal with him and presented a report on it in a turnover briefing. Clinton took a couple of shots at Bin Laden with Cruise missiles. Unfortunately he missed. It would seem that Clinton had bad aim in more than one way Bush was too busy on vacation, remember? It is a fact that he spent less time in the White house, and less time working while in the White house, than any other recent president, pre-9-11 Any way he also ignored Richard Clarkes advice on the urgency of the OBL matter, and Condi Rice said she couldn't meet with him for 6 months. Hey what the heck, it wasn't important as these PNAC criminals and Bush let 9-11 happen, to kick start everything happening today. On the Lewinski thing.. Do you really think Clinton's affair was worth going after and wasting all that money on, compared to the scandals of the Neo -Conmen today?

You had the first World Trade Center bombing in '93, which was handled by the police force and treated as a criminal case. And then you had the U.S. Embassy bombing in Africa, and THAT was handled by the police and treated as a criminal case. It wasn't until 2001 when the twin towers fell that our government FINALLY declared that terrorism was a real threat.

There has been a lot of coincidences between the CIA and Al Qeada and I have tried, without success, to find a single bombing attributed to “Al-Qaeda” that hasn’t been “masterminded” (according to terrorism “experts” and their mouthpieces in the press) by an informant connected to some or other intelligence agency. This may suggest a modus operandi on the part of either Al-Qaeda, the intelligence agencies with which her members so frequently interface, or both. The convergence of personnel and the remarkable proclivity of Al-Qaeda to promote Anglo-American/Israeli business interests by blowing things up or issuing communiqués just at the right time and just at the right place has led to the now popular term “Al-CIA-Duh”. Kenya? An article in the San Francisco Chronicle on Sunday, November 4, 2001, entitled “AL QAEDA TERRORIST WORKED WITH FBI”, claims that the mastermind of the U.S. embassy attacks in Kenya, Ali Mohammed, was a U.S. government informant. Ali Mohamed, an Egyptian-born U.S. citizen and longtime Silicon Valley resident who pleaded guilty last year to terrorism charges, approached the Central Intelligence Agency more than 15 years ago and offered to inform on Middle Eastern terrorist groups, a U.S. government official said.” This terrorism is not all that it seems considering all the CIA involvement: “A former U.S. Army sergeant who trained Osama bin Laden’s bodyguards and helped plan the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya was a U.S. government informant during much of his terrorist career, according to sources familiar with his case. A little "False Flag Terrorism" anyone? Burden of Dreams - Cust-Outs, Mole,s Patsies and Provocateurs >> Four Winds 10 - fourwinds10.com

This has nothing to do with me wanting to be involved in any Holy War because I'm some crazy Bible thumper. I'm simply concerned, as any normal human being should be, that there are people out there who want to KILL us because their religion says it's what they're supposed to do, and there's NOTHING we can say to them to stop them...not even by saying "we're sorry".

Again study the Zionist agenda and some back ground, and you'll see we are helping Israel commit atrocities on the Palestinians. It's ok to read on these matters, you won't get struck by a bolt of lightning or anything, I promise

We all remember the 90s when Clinton tried turning a blind eye, and even chose NOT to catch Osama bin Laden twice when he had the chance. But even while America was at peace, Islam never slept. In fact, it's even arguable that Al Qaeda became the strongest it had ever been in the 90s due to Clinton's reluctance to do anything that would offend ANYBODY really, including Yasser Arafat...Clinton's homey.

Al Qeada became quite strong in the 80s when the US/CIA, under president Bush sr. helped arm them when they were the Mujahadeen freedom fighters in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. We CREATED Al Qeada. Just like we helped Saddam in the 80s also against Iran. We seem to create a lot of our own problems and boogey men now don't we, how conveinient.

So if turning a blind eye and staying OUT of the radicals' way won't stop them from attacking us at every opportunity, then I suggest there come a time when we wisen up and DO something about it. That time came September 11, 2001.

Study the events and mysteries of 9-11, please.

And instead of trying to look for reasons WHY these people did it, and try to sympathize with them and excuse their actions by blaming ourselves, I'd prefer to get revenge for the THOUSANDS of American lives they took on that day.

Study 9-11 events and mysteries, please.

THOUSANDS of wives lost husbands. THOUSANDS of husbands lost wives, and THOUSANDS of sons and daughters lost their fathers and mothers.

And Bush didn't even want to investigate anything for them, these people have a lot of questions for that scumbag. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew97V8d1rvY 2 years it took for that moron to form the 9-11 commission. Screw it look it up yourself, dude.

Sympathizing for those terrorists cowards is the LAST thing on my list, cause they could care LESS what I think, or what YOU think. They would kill YOU just as fast as they would kill ME, the only difference is, is I'd be shooting at them before they ever got close. You see, I'm not naive enough to believe that they are just misguided people who can be reasoned with. How does that saying go, "you can't fix stupid".

Reasoning why, and correcting policy is one way to stop further terrorism, but you would insist on staying the course and calling more to their deaths because of the few and powerful. Sorry you don't get it, maybe some day you will open up your mind and look at things from a distance and not what they tell you all the time.

Anyway, America isn't the ONLY country that Islam has bombed, and threatened, and attacked. Remember the train bombing in Madrid Spain back in 2004? How about the subway bombings that go off over in Europe? ANYBODY who stands against radical Islam is put to the sword...mercilessly. Whether you think you understand them or not, they hate liberals just as much as they hate conservatives.

Islam? Madrid? Really,
According to Michel Chussudovsky in his article of 20 June 2004, the bombings in Madrid were also connected to state intelligence agencies:

“The Spanish investigation has revealed that two individuals involved in allegedly supplying explosives to the alleged 3/11 Madrid terrorists were police informers. More specifically Rafa Zouhier, was a police informer to an elite unit of the Guardia Civil known as Unidad Central de Operaciones, UCO). The second individual, Jose Emilio Suarez Trashorras, was an inforrmer to the National Police Corps, more specifically the narcotics brigade of Aviles (Cuerpo Nacional de Policia del jefe de la Brigada de Estupefacientes de Aviles).” FALSE FLAG TERRORISM IS A REALITY- Spain apparently saw through the . to drag them into Iraq for years.
Burden of Dreams - Cust-Outs, Mole,s Patsies and Provocateurs >> Four Winds 10 - fourwinds10.com

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

Barack Obama is the second biggest recipient of political money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the last ten years. And he’s only been in Washington for four.

link

Well there you go, it kind of fits doesn't it? I hate the damned corruption and hypocrisy At least they were denied their exit perks.
http://www.reuters.com/article/bonds...080915?sp=true

[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by Wart

As the graphic below illustrates, McCain's presidential campaign is chock full of former and current lobbyists.

What's wrong Mr. Hardcore Conservative? Last time I checked, lobbying was a constitutional right. Find me something showing McCain being against lobbyist and I'll wake up. Until then I will

to your posts.

At the end of the day, lobbyers won't be bothering me. Reps that actually make decisions that do not parallel with my own, do.

[strtrcr50]

Illegal Obama donors: Middle Eastern Arabs
Gazan brothers' illicit contributions listed in government campaign filings

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Posted: August 04, 2008
11:17 am Eastern


By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


JERUSALEM – Palestinian brothers inside the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip are listed in government election filings as having donated $29,521.54 to Sen. Barack Obama's campaign.

Donations of this nature would violate election laws, including prohibitions on receiving contributions from foreigners and guidelines against accepting more than $2,300 from one individual during a single election, Bob Biersack, a spokesman for the Federal Election Commission, told WND in response to a query.

The contributions also raise numerous questions about the Obama campaign's lax online donation form, which apparently allows for the possibility of foreign contributions.

Last week, the Atlas Shrugs blog outlined a series of donations in 2007 made to Obama's campaign from two individuals, Monir Edwan and Hosam Edwan, totaling $29,521.54.

In an online form on Obama's campaign site, the Edwans listed their street as "Tal Esaltan," which they wrote was located in "Rafah, GA."

Rafah is not a city in Georgia. The Atlas blog immediately raised concerns that the money may have been donated from the Gaza Strip town of Rafah.

The Edwans' donations are listed in both FEC filings and other election filing sites, such as CampaignMoney and donordata.org.

Monir made 20 donations ranging from $717 to $2017.50 from October through November 2007. His donations totaled $24321.41. Hosam made seven donations ranging from $508.63 to $1725.96, totaling $5,200.13, all in October 2007.

A WND investigation tracked down the Edwans, who are brothers living in the Tal Esaltan neighborhood of Rafah, a large refugee camp in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

The Edwans are a large clan that include top Hamas supporters.

Speaking to WND, the two brothers praised Obama and admitted giving the money online to his campaign. They said they are not U.S. citizens or green card holders but are citizens of "Palestine."

The Edwans denied they are affiliated with Hamas. Palestinian sources in Gaza confirmed the Edwans in question are secular, but could not say whether they supported Hamas.

Monir and Hasam Edwan denied their financial transactions online – listed as donations in U.S. government election filings – were actual donations to Obama's campaign. Instead they claimed they purchased about $30,000 in Obama T-shirts from the presidential candidate's online store – a contention that did not hold up during a WND interview, when they changed their story several times.

"My brother Hosam and I knew that Obama will be a big hit even before he became a candidate. We knew the guy would be a celebrity in Gaza so we decided to invest the amount of $29,000 to buy Obama T-shirts from his website and sell them in Gaza," Monir Edwan told WND, speaking by cell phone from Gaza.

"I know on the back of this story Obama rivals will present our business as a donation and they will try to use this story to let Obama fall, but I'm telling you, we bought T-shirts," Edwan maintained.

Edwan said any profit made from purportedly selling the Obama T-shirts was not returned to the Obama campaign.

"We have nothing to do with the Obama campaign. We just like Obama and believe he will be the best for the Palestinians and for the world."

At first Monir Edwan claimed he sold the T-shirts in Gaza for around $9 and that a profit was made.

"Some young men even bought the T-shirts for 60 shekel ($17.29), which is a lot to spend in Gaza on a T-shirt, but that is how much Gazans like Obama," Edwan claimed.

But it was pointed out to Edwan the T-shirts for sale on Obama's website are listed as $20.08 and that selling the merchandise for less would not yield a profit.

"Maybe we sold the shirts for a lot more. I can't remember now," said Edwan.

Asked why he would purchase T-shirts at such a high rate and pay the cost of shipping when he could pay a company to produce T-shirts for less, Edwan replied, "We wanted the shirts to come from the campaign."

But Edwan could not explain how he managed to get shipments of T-shirts into the Gaza Strip during the months he claimed to have purchased the merchandise, since Israel imposed a tight closure of the Gaza Strip starting in June 2007 that lasted until June 2008, when the Israeli government agreed to a cease-fire with Hamas in Gaza.

"We don't want to cause any damage to Obama's campaign," was Edwan's reply.

Edwan said he wants Obama to be president.

"Not just the people in Gaza but people from all over the world are rooting for this great man," he told WND.

FEC spokesman Biersack told WND contributions from overseas are allowed if the donations are coming from U.S. citizens or green card carriers. But he said accepting money from foreigners would violate election provisions.

He said there are strict guidelines against accepting more than $2,300 from one individual during a single election.

"I am not familiar with the particulars of the case, so I am commenting in general. The FEC will have to examine all the circumstances before determining any wrongdoing," Biersack clarified.

Obama's campaign did not return WND phone calls or e-mail queries.

That the Edwans were able to contribute any money to Obama's campaign from Gaza opens questions into the methods used by the presidential candidate's website to accept online donations.

The website donation form asks each donor to affirm he or she is a U.S. citizen and is above the age of 16 but doesn't require donors to prove their citizenship status, such as providing a social security number. The form further requires the donor to affirm the contribution is not coming from a corporation, political action committee or lobby group.

The Messiah also takes donations from Hamas.

[Ike83]

Remember, terrorists like Hamas aren't the bad guys here. It's the Israelis who are the terrorists.

[Wart]

Originally Posted by Ike83

Remember, terrorists like Hamas aren't the bad guys here. It's the Israelis who are the terrorists.

Considering your dislike of research it does not surprise me your this misinformed.

[Wart]

Originally Posted by GT40XStang9

What's wrong Mr. Hardcore Conservative? Last time I checked, lobbying was a constitutional right.

Really?

Which Article or Amendment will I find that under.

Oh, but I see:

Find me something showing McCain being against lobbyist and I'll wake up. Until then I will

to your posts.

Your going to put this stipulation in your post which will allow you to Puss out and avoid having to post which Article or Amendment that Constitutional Right can be found in.



Running Scared Much?

[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by Wart

Really?

Which Article or Amendment will I find that under.

Oh, but I see:





Your going to put this stipulation in your post which will allow you to Puss out and avoid having to post which Article or Amendment that Constitutional Right can be found in.



Running Scared Much?

It falls under the right to petition, which maybe you didn't get this far into the amendments, but is found in the very first one.

Check mate, you clown.

[Wart]

Originally Posted by GT40XStang9

It falls under the right to petition, which maybe you didn't get this far into the amendments, but is found in the very first one.

Check mate, you clown.

Checkmate? In your frigging dreams.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Do you really think the Founding Fathers meant 'redress of grievance" included my paying lawmakers to pass legislation favorable to whoever was paying me to pay the lawmakers?



I have to wonder wht Abramoff is doing locked up if he was only exercising a Constitutional Right.




Checkmate? Not Hardly!!

[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by Wart

I have to wonder wht Abramoff is doing locked up if he was only exercising a Constitutional Right.

mail fraud, conspiracy, tax evasion

He also violated a federal lobby regulation. I refuse to do all of your legwork.

[Ike83]

Originally Posted by Wart

Considering your dislike of research it does not surprise me your this misinformed.

What are you even talking about? There's no research needed here Wart. Liberals are under the assumption that Israel is a terrorist nation, which you agreed with ME, that it's NOT.

So...what's your point Wart? Other then the fact that two men should have the right to get married of course.

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by GT40XStang9

It falls under the right to petition, which maybe you didn't get this far into the amendments, but is found in the very first one.

Check mate, you clown.

Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Since when are the corporation fat cat lobbyists, representing the people? Seems to me that article is intended for the average citizen, to have the right to question, or have their grievances heard by the gov against these leaches, or said gov. it is not intended to protect the multi million billion dollar special interest crowd, that have f***ed up the economy of THE PEOPLE. Look around man, 8 years of the Neo-Con deception, and their supporters raping this country is ENOUGH. The hypocrisy of those criminals is apparent, without having to spinn the constitution on their behalf, are you insane? Do you really think the constitution says it's ok for these F**ks to stomp the working man and hold the corporations and the lobbyist that work for them, in higher regard then the common man/women? I can't believe the levels of insane people will stoop to in order to justify this crap. Face it the Republican party has been HIJACKED, and has been in power for at least 8 years and has screwed it up, it and it's supporters have to take responsibility for the way this country is now, and realize they F**ked it up.Let's question these so called leaders, take your party back and away from these criminals. Have these people no shame? What does it say about the supporters of these criminals? Wake the F***k up already, and think about AMERICA, not the a-holes who got us into this mess. Jesus friking Christ, our country is in a crisis and you want to site the constitution to stick up for these GodDamned criminals? You people remind me of the abused wife, who will deny her torment till the death, it's sickening. It's sickening to watch the BS spinn on TV, to hear it on the radio, in the papers, and here, it is time to join together, everybody and say enough is MFing, enough, we are under the illusion that they have our best interest first? Don't vote for McCain, don't vote for Obama, let's vote for a third candidate, we need to send a message to these A-holes, we want our country back, and we are tired of the lies, and the privileged few only getting a fair shake and say in life, it's a damned insult to ALL of us, they don't give a crap about you, me or anybody but themselves and feed us a crock full of year after year, by them telling us what is good for us. I guarantee, most of these Bas***ds, are going to let this countries value tank while they invest in foreign currencies, and come back and buy it out for pennies on the dollar, and we are letting them do it by believing the BS, and arguing over who can F**k us over the least. We will never ever, change anything, anytime unless we rise up as a united peoples, and take back our nation right NOW. I gota take a break from this crap for a while before I bust a cranial vein

[poboys 94]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Ike83

What are you even talking about? There's no research needed here Wart. Liberals are under the assumption that Israel is a terrorist nation, which you agreed with ME, that it's NOT.

The sooner you and ignorant people like you get their heads out of their a**s, the better off this country will be. Move to Israel if it is so righteous, this country is for AMERICANS.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/intro.htm
http://christianparty.net/israelunresolutions.htm

[Ike83]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

The sooner you and ignorant people like you get their heads out of their a**s, the better off this country will be.

I believe you're in the minority in this room poboy. The rest of us aren't busy trying to convince everybody else that our President was behind 9/11. Though I continually give you chance after chance to carry on a mild-mannered debate, you simply can't refrain from calling the other person ignorant and claiming that anyone who doesn't follow your childish "conspiracy theories" is blinded by the MSM (which is actually a liberal machine...like yourself). I even went so far as to apologize to you for categorizing you with Wart, and you've returned the favor several times by being the liberal douchebag that I suspected you were from the very beginning.

You're a complete waste of time poboy, and I will simply respond to you the same way I respond to Wart...as if I'm talking to a mentally-handicapped kindergartener. Thanks!

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Move to Israel if it is so righteous, this country is for AMERICANS.

You're right. This country IS for Americans. So what are you doing here? Don't you know that Hamas is calling and they need their liberal douchebag back?

You should get going.

[Wart]

Originally Posted by Ike83

What are you even talking about? There's no research needed here Wart. Liberals are under the assumption that Israel is a terrorist nation, which you agreed with ME, that it's NOT.

But then you went and posted this:

It's the Israelis who are the terrorists.

Just another example of a Rightie melting down.

Pity.

So...what's your point Wart? Other then the fact that two men should have the right to get married of course.

I thought you would be happy that I'm not interested in stopping you and Cartoon from getting hitched.

[Wart]

[QUOTE=poboys 94;7642049]

The sooner you and ignorant people like you get their heads out of their a**s, the better off this country will be.

Don't hold your breath.

People like Ike are Happy in their Bliss.

[Wart]

Originally Posted by Ike83

Though I continually give you chance after chance to carry on a mild-mannered debate,

He's giving you the same chance.

I have a feeling that as soon as you start actually debating, or even make the attempt, so will others.

But Ikie, little one, you've thrown out your own insults so your not one to be making an issue of another pointing out your ignorance.

Your way past taking the high road.