[colvindesign]

Ike83, I've had some sleep,

Let me ask you this,
Today, do you support Bush and defend his every move and motive?Did you defend Bush as much as you defend McCain, 4 years or 8 years ago?

Also, gays getting married....... I say let them. Then maybe they will stop having those god aweful parades that I see on the news that makes me want to hurl. Seriously, Gay marriage is an issue for you? Is it going to ruin your life when gay people can marry each other? I'm married, does that make my marriage less than it was before gay marriage was legal?

As for McCain being a veteran and POW, Kerry was a Veteran, he served our country as well, did you jump on the Swift Boat campaign bandwagon and bash the hell out of Kerry for the fact he was a veteran as well?

As for McCain having experience, that is the worst excuse in the world. You don't have to be a life-long politician in order to become the president:
be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
be at least thirty-five years old;
have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

I'll meet those requirements in a few years. If he was un-qualified, he would not have made it this far. McCains "experience" has made him a career politician, in my book that's not good. He's just as much part of this mess as anyone else. He hasn't done anything to fix the problems we face now, a long time senator certainly can work with both congress and presidents to create new laws that would be beneficial to the country, and they should.

You want to make sure them gays don't get married and you can keep your handgun, and make sure we attack any other county that McCain feels like invading, vote McCain. I'm old enough and experienced enough to realize we need to fix a few things at home and we need to improve the way the US deals with foreign countries. The planet does not belong to the US.

[Ike83]

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Do you have any idea why we were attacked in the first place? Do you? I know why, but I'd like to know if you know. Do you also tell your kids to punch a kid in the nose if he pushes you (after you walk into his yard and find out much later he gets really touchly about people in his yard) then pick up a big stick and hit everyone?

You're kidding me right? How far back do you want to go? Would you like to go back to the beginning of how the Ottoman Empire was formed? Would you like to talk about the Muslim Prophet Muhammed's death, which was immediately followed by Muslim invasion of the Byzantine and Sassanid Empires? Would you like to talk about the Crusades? You know, where Muslim conquerers SLAUGHTERED European pilgrims who were simply traveling to the Holy Land to worship, sparking a retalliation from Pope Urban II? I mean, how far back are you looking to go here?

Would you like to go as far back as the Old Testament in the Bible where the Egyptians had the Israelites enslaved for several generations? You know, where God GAVE Israel the land between Jordan and the Mediterranean? Or would yo like to stay in the here and now...where Saddam Hussein thought he was the re-incarnation of King Nebuchadnezzar, and Mamoud Ahmadinejad is trying to finish what Ayatollah Khomeini started, by trying to start the apocalypse in an effort to bring back the 12th Imam?

Originally Posted by colvindesign

did you read what I wrote? McCain stated he would go in IMMEDIATELY.

And Obama said he would go unconditionally. I just find it funny that the same people who condemn our presence in Iraq, are the same people that are so willing to rush right into Afghanistan.

I personally am ready to go into Afghanistan. I support our presence in BOTH countries...and anywhere else where there are terrorist insurgents plotting to destroy America and Israel.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

My boy? Ok, besides that remark, who WOULDN'T go in there if they found out they were harboring Al Qaeda? But the problem is, McCain would probably pull the same Bush BS and make something up saying they have WMD oops I mean Al Qaeda.

Bush wasn't alone in "making up" the fact that there were WMDs in Iraq...if that's the phrase we're using at this time. BESIDES the fact that Saddam Hussein violated the Gulf War cease-fire treaty, Britain and Russia ALSO declared that THEIR intelligence pointed to the fact that Iraq had WMDs. And just because we haven't found them, doesn't mean that Saddam Hussein didn't have them moved before the Iraqi invasion. Hussein was up to a LOT of mischief and moving about before we invaded Iraq.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Are you serious? Dropping the capital gain tax will increase jobs? Ok, so they will make more warehouse jobs and pay us idiots 7 dollars an hour and charge us 1200 a month in rent. And we need to STFU and be thankful.

First of all, I DIDN'T say dropping the capital gains tax will increase jobs. I said dropping the capital gains tax will give more of an incentive for jobs to STAY in America instead of being shipped overseas.

Second of all, now that you mention it. YES, lowering the capital gains WILL result in opening up more jobs. It's simple economics my man. CORPORATIONS DON'T PAY TAXES. They simply either pass it on to the consumer (like the oil companies), or they fire some of their workers to make up for the loss in revenue generated by a higher-tax policy.

So LOWERING the capital gains tax will allow small businesses to keep more of their profit, in turn allowing for them to expand or higher more workers.

I believe in creating "opportunity", not "entitlements".

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Second of all, if by "changing the world's perception of the U.S.", you mean...

1) allowing gay marriage to become acceptable Yes, he is single handedly going to do this
2) attempting to implement his CAREER stance on banning handguns Again, going to do this by himself, lol
3) sitting down and talking to radical dictators withOUT pre-conditions Are you serious? You can't tell someone what to say before you have a conversation with them.
and
4) redistributing income however he sees fit... Again, he is miraculously going to turn this country into a dictatorship and strip away all your money......

No, he's NOT going to single-handedly do this. But with the help of the DEMOCRATICALLY-controlled Congress...he'll be able to move freely and impose MOST of his agenda without anybody around to stop him. Remember, we currently have the WORST Congress in American history, and they will be RIGHT there to support Barack Obama's agenda every step of the way.

So no, Barack Obama WON'T be doing it alone. But he WILL be able to do it.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Then you DO know how we got into this mess in the first place. Talking to someone without conditions is much different than becoming butt-buddies. If you are hung up on the past and believe one thing equals another, then there is no hope for you.

I am fully aware of how this all started. Again, where would you like me to begin?

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Wow, you got all the answers huh?

I try to have as many as possible. Thank you for noticing.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

1) Mccain ACTUALLY has experience as a member of Congress over the last twenty years Typical politician who knows how to play the game

The only one better then Mccain at this, would be Joe Biden then. You know, Obama's Vice President who said Obama wasn't experienced enough for the Oval Office. Also, the man who said he would be HONORED to run as Mccain's Vice President.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

2) Mccain FOUGHT for (and was tortured for) this country, making him a true American hero Very respectable that he went through that for our country, but does that automatically make him right?

No, it doesn't. But it DOES show his level of dedication to the country and to the American flag. Something I question Barack Obama on.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

3) Mccain DOES salute the American flag Wasn't aware Obama didn't

Is that right? Well far be it from me to not enlighten you my friend.

YouTube - Barack Hussein Obama refuses to salute US flag

Originally Posted by colvindesign

4) Mccain SUPPORTS the 2nd Amendment right to own a gun So do I, so this is the only issue I should vote on? Because petty things like the economy and the war are unimportant?

What is your deal? I just gave you THIRTEEN reasons why I'm going to vote for Mccain, and you act as if THIS is the only reason I listed. Did you NOT happen to notice the OTHER twelve issues that encompass this ONE?

Guess not...

Originally Posted by colvindesign

5) Mccain DOESN'T want to raise taxes at a time when YOU say the country is heading for a MAJOR recession Obama wants to raise the taxes on the wealthy, so are you wealthy, that's the only type of person who fully understands everything McCain is for and supports him.

Good point. Obama wants to raise taxes on the people WHO PROVIDE JOBS TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY! And no, I'm NOT wealthy. What the **** does that have to do with anything? Just because I'm not wealthy doesn't mean I want everybody else's taxes raised. That's plain ridiculous if you ask me. Why should somebody ELSE have to pay for stuff that I want? Not to mention, Obama's tax plan WON'T just be on the rich, mark my words. Some (experts) say that his tax plan will show a tax increase on even THOSE people who make $42,000 a yr...which would affect ME.

Second of all, just because I'm NOT wealthy doesn't mean that I don't PLAN on being wealthy one day. I plan on working hard to achieve this dream of mine, but why SHOULD I if Obama's tax plan is just going to penalize me for it?

Originally Posted by colvindesign

6) Mccain IS pro-life...unlike Obama who harbors the MOST radical abortion views in the Senate Again, is this the only issue that matters?

I can't believe it. You really ARE serious.

I'm listing issue after issue, and in your mind, you're seeing only one.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

7) Mccain DOESN'T support the idea of talking to our enemies without pre-conditions I do, it takes balls to sit accross the table and tell someone you can literally melt every sqaure inch of their country into glass. Are we children? We can't talk to them! They're bad!

Ummm, I DON'T think Obama plans on meeting Ahmadinejad to tell him that he's going to melt every square inch of his country into glass.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

8) Mccain wants to bring our troops home from Iraq...in VICTORY...not defeat What is victory in Iraq? Seriously, what is the end game there? A sustainable democracy? then we might as well make it 51 states

Yes, that is the goal. But you're right. No war is worth fighting. We might as well have sit back and let the terrorists just have their way with us. Far be it from us to actually RESPOND to a devastating attack on our own country.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

9) Mccain WASN'T the SECOND highest recipient of donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which ultimately led to the mortgage crisis we're in right now Please read my posts about contributions, but I am sure he was the biggest recipient from other big businesses that are not that great for the US also

That's great...but I'm talking about the MORTGAGE crisis we're in. You know, the ONE that Obama wants to blame President Bush for!

The one in which he could have helped prevent YEARS ago if he (and members of his campaign and political party) weren't so far deep in the pockets of these mortgage giants. Obama is not only the SECOND highest recipient of donations from these companies, but HIS group (ACORN), and other ones like it (Greenlining Institute), are the groups that are responsible for bullying these banks into taking on loans from people who otherwise wouldn't have qualified due to their poor credit.

I just find it funny that the Democrats, mainly Obama, want to turn around and point the finger at Bush and the Republicans, when THEY are the ones who RESISTED regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two YEARS ago.

What a joke...

Originally Posted by colvindesign

10) Mccain is NOT approved by radical dictators (Castro, Chavez) and terrorist groups who want to annihiltate the U.S. (Hamas) yeah because Obama will talk to them, McCain won't, big suprise there.

Ummm....what? I don't understand. Because Obama will TALK to them? And doing what the terrorists want, is a GOOD thing?

I could care less WHY these murderers like Obama, the fact that they DO like Obama is scary ENOUGH for me, thank you very much.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

11) Mccain DIDN'T launch his political career in the living room of a known, unrepentant terrorist...William Ayers! Yeah, a terrorist. All hippies were terrorists then? I'm sure McCain has his own skeletons as well, I don't need to find them because I know the guy is bad news.

Dude...you're REALLY starting to lose it.

All hippies are terrorists? When did I SAY that? You have a really good habit of putting words in my mouth, and NOT addressing the statements I'm making, but rather mumbling on about stereotypes that don't even exist.

If ALL hippies were responsible for BOMBING the Pentagon and WTCs in 1993, then YES, ALL hippies were terrorists then. Cool?

Originally Posted by colvindesign

12) Mccain NEVER attended a Church for twenty years while his pastor sat in the pulpit and yelled out "God-DAMN America". The pastor got some media attention and decided to go political, I disagree with my pastors political views, does that mean I have to leave my church?

I don't know, does YOUR pastor scream out GOD-DAMN AMERICA...and the U.S.K.K.K. of A.?

If so, then I would hope you'd be smarter than our lovely Democratic candidate, and politely remove yourself BEFORE you have to do it for political reasons. See that's the thing with Obama, he acts like everything is NOT a big deal, until he's FORCED to take action. And then it's ONLY because he doesn't want to ruin his campaign for Presidency. The guy is SIMPLY not a good leader if he can't figure out that the people he's hanging around with ARE known terrorists. This is getting to be a little ridiculous...

Originally Posted by colvindesign

13) Mccain WASN'T called the MESSIAH by Louis Farrakhan...
Who the fk gives 2 shts what farakhan thinks or says or does? Apparently you do, but even black people, actually, especially black people make fun of him.

Again, it all comes back to the question, "WHY do all these radical minds like Barack Obama?"

If it were just Louis Farrakhan, or William Ayers...that would be ONE thing. But it's NOT. The list goes on and on with Obama's terrorist affilliations. He's simply NOT someone I trust socially, economically, or morally. THAT is why I DIDN'T vote for Barack Obama on my Absentee Ballot.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

You think his change is everything the "right" says it is.

Dude, the "right", if you will, is the ONLY wing that is actually talking about Obama's "change". The last thing Obama wants you and I to believe, is that his intentions are to "spread the wealth around" and talk to our enemies without pre-conditions. I'm not going by what the "right" says Obama will do.

I'm going by what OBAMA has REPEATEDLY said he was going to do! Would you like me to dig for the videos showing Obama's response to Joe the Plumber? Or would you like me to dig for the video of the Democratic YouTube debate, where Obama CLEARLY stated that he would talk to foreign dictators without pre-conditions.

This has nothing to do with the "right." This has to do with Obama, so don't try to deflect the topic at hand.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

McCain will not make the economy any better but will put us into more conflicts, when the one and a half we are in are already bankrupting the country, something's gotta give.

Yes, but we are also safe, AND winning the war on terror. Something Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter didn't have the guts to do, and arguably the reason we are in this mess in the first place. Democrats across the board have no stomach for war, and avoid conflict at ALL costs. Hell, if it were up to them, we PROBABLY wouldn't have ever fought the Revolutionary War to become a sovereign nation.

Nobody likes having to go to war...but SOMETIMES it must be done to protect the innocent. Don't pretend like you've forgotten the rally cry for revenge Americans had after 9/11. Just because the war lasted longer than we thought, doesn't mean it's time to give up and wave the white flag of surrender.

[Ike83]

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Ike83, I've had some sleep,

Let me ask you this,
Today, do you support Bush and defend his every move and motive?Did you defend Bush as much as you defend McCain, 4 years or 8 years ago?

I've only been in politics for two years now...so this is my first Presidential election. Don't let that fool you though, because I'm quicker then most at playing catch up. I thought Bush's first term was a success. I think he's faced a TON of challenges in his second term, but all in all, I like George Bush.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Also, gays getting married....... I say let them. Then maybe they will stop having those god aweful parades that I see on the news that makes me want to hurl. Seriously, Gay marriage is an issue for you? Is it going to ruin your life when gay people can marry each other? I'm married, does that make my marriage less than it was before gay marriage was legal?

No, gay marriage really ISN'T a big issue for me. I just don't prefer it, and it's ONE out of MANY reasons why I DIDN'T vote for Barack Obama.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

As for McCain being a veteran and POW, Kerry was a Veteran, he served our country as well, did you jump on the Swift Boat campaign bandwagon and bash the hell out of Kerry for the fact he was a veteran as well?

John Kerry REPEATEDLY travels to Europe and talks crap about the U.S.

John Kerry gave his final college graduation speech, TRASHING America's foreign policy and DEMONIZING our soldiers, and then turns RIGHT around and ENLISTS in the military. Only to bring his VIDEO CAMERA and record his war buddies committing war-time acts, which should NEVER have been recorded in the first place. John Kerry didn't enlist in the military to defend our country. He enlisted in the miliatry to desecrate the very soldiers who were fighting at that time, to prove a radical political point that he held at THAT time...and obviously still does to this day.

The guy is full of ****, he's a liberal douchebag, and he has his head so far up his ass that I can't take ANYTHING he says seriously. He's the complete OPPOSITE of John Mccain, there's absolutely NO comparison here.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

As for McCain having experience, that is the worst excuse in the world. You don't have to be a life-long politician in order to become the president:
be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
be at least thirty-five years old;
have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

I'll meet those requirements in a few years. If he was un-qualified, he would not have made it this far.

It's funny you bring this up. Obama will be the first President in American history who DOESN'T qualify to be an F.B.I. agent.

The Stafford Voice: Top Secret Clearance? : Obama Doesn't Qualify

That means that Barack Obama WON'T have access to high-clearance issues. THAT, my friend, is a SERIOUS problem for Barack Obama, because the guy is CLEARLY un-qualified.

Just because Obama has made it this far, is NO indication of his qualifications, but merely an indication of how WELL the mainstream media has made him out to be this great "messiah".

Originally Posted by colvindesign

McCains "experience" has made him a career politician, in my book that's not good. He's just as much part of this mess as anyone else. He hasn't done anything to fix the problems we face now, a long time senator certainly can work with both congress and presidents to create new laws that would be beneficial to the country, and they should.

Ok, so all I'm getting from this...is that you must NOT like Joe Biden then either...because HE'S been in Congress LONGER then Mccain.

I guess you're voting for Obam/Palin then, because neither ONE of them have a lot of experience. Even though it's arguable that Palin has MORE experience then Obama due to the fact that she actually balances a state budget, rather then voting "yes" or "no".

Originally Posted by colvindesign

You want to make sure them gays don't get married and you can keep your handgun, and make sure we attack any other county that McCain feels like invading, vote McCain. I'm old enough and experienced enough to realize we need to fix a few things at home and we need to improve the way the US deals with foreign countries. The planet does not belong to the US.

I already did.

[Ike83]

I'm going to work so I can pay for everybody else's welfare. Catch you guys later.

[Lisa GT]

Originally Posted by Ike83

I'm going to work so I can pay for everybody else's welfare. Catch you guys later.

Yeah, good to know somebody else is too. I've been here at work for 45 minutes or more.

[caballo]

Ike and Lisa,

I appreciate you two working for my welfare. My family appreciates da food. BTW, all that money I paid into unemployment insurance did me no good, seeing how they denied my claim. I could appeal, but what's the point since I got a job that starts on Monday. It would take longer for the appeal than it would for the first check to get here.

-Chuck

PS please know I'm saying saying this in jest. You guys are awesome. It's just that you have to be DEDICATED to get any type of entitlement around here. I'm glad it's not something I have to rely on long term...

[strtrcr50]

Originally Posted by caballo

Ike and Lisa,

I appreciate you two working for my welfare. My family appreciates da food. BTW, all that money I paid into unemployment insurance did me no good, seeing how they denied my claim. I could appeal, but what's the point since I got a job that starts on Monday. It would take longer for the appeal than it would for the first check to get here.

-Chuck

PS please know I'm saying saying this in jest. You guys are awesome. It's just that you have to be DEDICATED to get any type of entitlement around here. I'm glad it's not something I have to rely on long term...

You should appeal. You can get back checks to catch up. I have gone to quite a few unemployment hearings on the side of the employer and have NEVER won against an employee.

[Lisa GT]

Originally Posted by caballo

It's just that you have to be DEDICATED to get any type of entitlement around here. I'm glad it's not something I have to rely on long term...

Exactly. The system does not work the way it was originally intended. Those people so DEDICATED are so mostly because it is a way of life for them, not a temporary measure to fill the 'gap.' I have two homes in close proximity to my office. I have yet to see either one of the obviously healthy young men residing in those houses leave to go to a job during the day. The Mexican guy only comes out when his dogs are going off, and the other guy just has a bunch of riff raff in and out all day. Drug dealer? Thought has crossed my mind. I may go get some pics of these situations.

Cab: I am so sorry, it's completely unfathomable that you did not qualify. It sucks and that just feeds my resentment of an obviously broken system.

[colvindesign]

Originally Posted by Ike83

I'm going to work so I can pay for everybody else's welfare. Catch you guys later.

I can't, I was laid off by a company where the CEO made almost five times as much as I made in a year, in one day. I'm glad someone is doing alright!

I said I am not voting on the president based upon gay marriage or abortion. They are not nearly as important to me as being able to feed my family. They are not the only issues and they aren't even secondary to me.

You're statement "I hope to be rich one day"..... says it all. You are a typical kid fresh out thinking you are going to become rich. Statistics say you'll crash and burn and fall on your ass. When you do and you lose everything and need to go pick up your welfare check, then talk to me. Don't tell me it won't happen, you can't tell the future. I am not saying it will happen either, I'm simply saying it CAN happen and most likely will.

So it's better to make sure we tax the rich people as little as possible, because they NEED that extra 200k if they ONLY have 800k? I see you're point now becuase if I could only make 800k where I would make 1m if I had to pay lower taxes, it totally wouldn't be worth it,

Also, you are willing to go to war with any country to defend Israel? This is exactly why we are in this mess with most of the Muslim countries. Not the bible stuff you rambled off that was from before North America was even discovered, but the fact that the US made ties to Israel and shunned other countries (in the 20th century). They've been in a religious war for thousands of years, we picked a side based on business and now we have to deal with it. How we deal with it affects what happens to us. Are we going to end the religious war? Then we might as well plan on wiping out 90% of the Muslims and then convert the remainder to a softer more palatable form of Muslim, or another religion altogether. But going BACK to the stuff you went on about, how the muslims slaughtered etc etc..... what about the atrocities that are going on in Darfur and in other African countries? Hundreds of thousands of people being murdered and Hundreds of thousands of women being raped and mutilated, we can do something about that now, but we aren't, we are defending our friends who went through hell thousands of years ago.

I love how you use the radio talk show labels for everyone too. Liberal douchebag, come up with that yourself? I suppose no one should ever know the atrocities our troops have done to innocent people in other countries. If an american citizen is kidnapped and murdered by a terrorist group, is that worse than a man wearing a US army uniform raping and murdeing a 14 year old girl from another country? I suppose the stuff going on in US prisons should have been kept in the dark as well too huh? All fine and well as long as it is someone else wearing the bag on their head?

The man has standards. He believes that US troops should be beyond reproach, as do I.

You've been into politics 2 years? You've still got a lot to learn. For one, jumping on the bandwagon and getting worked up on the exact same points as the radio hosts makes you a puppet. When someone brings up a point you label it socialist or Liberal, because that's what they do on the radio. Think for yourself. Do you HONESTLY think that republicans were going to introduce legislation to bring enough regulations to the mortgage industry to avoid what is happening today? This is a process that started well before 2 years ago. 2 years ago was probably 5 years too late. The mortgage industry has ties in government just like every other industry, if republicans were in power then republicans would have gotten the majority of the money, That's how it works.

Just because the guy on the radio says it, does not mean it's 100% right. I listened to one of those shows for a while and looked up the host, he was a skin-head. Yes, a Neo-Nazi skin head. I asked him some tough questions in an email and he wouldn't answer. Then I called in, he called me a socialist because I said it's wrong for an insurance CEO to make millions when they deny claims left and right. When I emailed him again I told him my stroy about my wife getting sick, and he had no reply to that, just called me a socialist and tod me to call back anytime, I called back and they wouldn't let me on the air.


No, I'm not a big fan of Biden. But biden being VP is better than McCain being Pres. Plus it's good that you bring up Palin, if McCain dies in office or becomes incapacitated for a while, (he IS old);BAM, she's our president, so much for talking about EXPERIENCE!

I personally am ready to go into Afghanistan. I support our presence in BOTH countries...and anywhere else where there are terrorist insurgents plotting to destroy America and Israel.

Do you honestly think the US an Afford to go into another war full on? Are you going to Enlist? Are you going to give your life to defend Israel? Before you ask, I did enlist and got an honorable medical discharge.

Bush wasn't alone, of course. It's a political process that only experienced politicians know how to do. And, the "memo" from the UK wasn't that found to be fabricated?

Obama wants to raise taxes on the people WHO PROVIDE JOBS TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY! And no, I'm NOT wealthy. What the **** does that have to do with anything? Just because I'm not wealthy doesn't mean I want everybody else's taxes raised. That's plain ridiculous if you ask me. Why should somebody ELSE have to pay for stuff that I want? Not to mention, Obama's tax plan WON'T just be on the rich, mark my words. Some (experts) say that his tax plan will show a tax increase on even THOSE people who make $42,000 a yr...which would affect ME.

Second of all, just because I'm NOT wealthy doesn't mean that I don't PLAN on being wealthy one day. I plan on working hard to achieve this dream of mine, but why SHOULD I if Obama's tax plan is just going to penalize me for it?

Again, you're logic is so undeniable, if you can ONLY make 800k instead of 1m, it's totally not worth it. because 800k is just NOT ENOUGH......

You're right man, the taxes they will give you will make you poor, so it's not worth it at all.......

These are the people who are steadily taking good jobs away from people like you and me, and replacing only some of them with 7-9 dollar an hour jobs. Seriously, you need to take a good look at reality. The rich people who will be affected mostly by this, can afford it. I don't want another god damned stimulous check, I want to go to work for 40 hours and be able to put a roof over my family and feed them. But as long as we keep catering to the wealthy, they will keep finding ways to take more and more our our money and making it harder and harder for us to make ends meet.

A little back round on me, I'm not wealthy either. I got a job offer from a big company just out of HS and took it. I was doing well, making 45k plus OT. I got married, had a couple of kids, then got laid off. Now I do some work here and there on the side, but there are lay offs left and right, and jobs are still going overseas. I don't need 35 dollars an hour. I need 15 an hour, and I can't find that. I don't have money to put my kids in care while I go to school, I don't have money to go to school, and I can't go out and get a job making 15 an hour. To boot, my wife is very sick and is applying for disability, we may get a decision in march of 09, but the first decision is always a denial of benefits. So for the mean time, I need to take care of my wife who needs help walking sometimes, and I need to care for my 2 year old, and I need to care for my 8 year old when he's not in school. In my free time I have been trying to start a business. My wife was fired from her job because she is disabled, and yes we contacted the EEOC. That also will take several months or years. With OT I was making over 55-60k a year. My wife was making good oney as well. After high medical costs, we were not doing that great.

I'm glad you have a job, but do you have job security?

This country has become a land of opportunity for the wealthy. It's become a bad place to be if you're not.

The typical republican does not put himself in other peoples shoes. I don't expect you to either, I completely expect you to somehow tell me the situation I am in is entirely my fault.

[colvindesign]

any replies to me,

http://forums.stangnet.com/767088-il...ml#post7687812

[Ike83]

Originally Posted by colvindesign

I can't, I was laid off by a company where the CEO made almost five times as much as I made in a year, in one day. I'm glad someone is doing alright!

I'm barely doing alright...that's why I don't want Obama to implement the Clinton tax-system (which he said he would do), the one where taxes are raised on people making $40,000/yr...

Like myself.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

I said I am not voting on the president based upon gay marriage or abortion. They are not nearly as important to me as being able to feed my family. They are not the only issues and they aren't even secondary to me.

I've answered this several times. I didn't cast my vote solely on these issues either. And because I voted primarily on ECONOMIC issues...I DEFINITELY didn't vote for Obama...

Originally Posted by colvindesign

You're statement "I hope to be rich one day"..... says it all. You are a typical kid fresh out thinking you are going to become rich.

It's comments like this that turn me off from reading the rest of your posts. You've now just labeled me as a typical kid who might as well NOT work hard and dream big because it's just a waste of my time.

Hey, thanks for the advice Dad.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Statistics say you'll crash and burn and fall on your ass. When you do and you lose everything and need to go pick up your welfare check, then talk to me. Don't tell me it won't happen, you can't tell the future. I am not saying it will happen either, I'm simply saying it CAN happen and most likely will.

So you're NOT saying that it WILL happen, you're just saying that it most likely WILL?

I'm not even going to touch this one...

It's kind of embarassing when a 25 year old KID won't even respond to such illogical pessimism. Thanks for judging me and laying my future out in front of me for the years to come. No wonder you're a miserable grouch...

Originally Posted by colvindesign

So it's better to make sure we tax the rich people as little as possible, because they NEED that extra 200k if they ONLY have 800k? I see you're point now becuase if I could only make 800k where I would make 1m if I had to pay lower taxes, it totally wouldn't be worth it,

...worthless.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Also, you are willing to go to war with any country to defend Israel? This is exactly why we are in this mess with most of the Muslim countries. Not the bible stuff you rambled off that was from before North America was even discovered, but the fact that the US made ties to Israel and shunned other countries (in the 20th century). They've been in a religious war for thousands of years, we picked a side based on business and now we have to deal with it. How we deal with it affects what happens to us. Are we going to end the religious war? Then we might as well plan on wiping out 90% of the Muslims and then convert the remainder to a softer more palatable form of Muslim, or another religion altogether.

YEAH! That's RIGHT!

*wonders what's even going on anymore*

Originally Posted by colvindesign

But going BACK to the stuff you went on about, how the muslims slaughtered etc etc..... what about the atrocities that are going on in Darfur and in other African countries? Hundreds of thousands of people being murdered and Hundreds of thousands of women being raped and mutilated, we can do something about that now, but we aren't, we are defending our friends who went through hell thousands of years ago.

I don't doubt that evil exists in MANY parts of the world. However, before we invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein was the world's number ONE trainer and harborer of terrorist factions in the WORLD. Instead of going after the branches, we went after the root. That's really about all you can do right now. So are you instead making the case that we either DON'T go to war at all, or we go to war with EVERYBODY?

Sounds pretty logical.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

I love how you use the radio talk show labels for everyone too. Liberal douchebag, come up with that yourself?

I fail to see where you are going with this? Where am I using radio talk show labels? You're nuts dude. I think you need to get a little more sleep, cause apparently my previous posts prevented you from doing so.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

You've been into politics 2 years? You've still got a lot to learn. For one, jumping on the bandwagon and getting worked up on the exact same points as the radio hosts makes you a puppet.

Where are you getting this radio talk show host **** from? Are you under the impression that you're coming off to the rest of the room as "intelligent", by GUESSING at the things that I've read and heard? What a retard.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

When someone brings up a point you label it socialist or Liberal, because that's what they do on the radio. Think for yourself.

YEAH! You got me!

I probably...shouldn't do that.....or something.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Do you HONESTLY think that republicans were going to introduce legislation to bring enough regulations to the mortgage industry to avoid what is happening today? This is a process that started well before 2 years ago. 2 years ago was probably 5 years too late. The mortgage industry has ties in government just like every other industry, if republicans were in power then republicans would have gotten the majority of the money, That's how it works.

You're right. What the Republicans TRIED to do two years ago, should have been done FIVE years ago. Therefore they should have never made the attempt in the first place...RIGHT?

Your way of thinking is COMPLETELY off base buddy. It's like you don't even recognize the facts that are right in front of you...like in my previous post where I gave you THIRTEEN different reasons WHY I voted for Mccain, and you respond by saying...

"Is THAT the only reason you're voting for Mccain?"

You don't even make sense.

You JUST said that if the Republicans were in power, THEY would have gotten the money. Well guess WHAT colvin...the Republicans WERE in power...up until 2006, when the Democrats RECENTLY took over control of the Congress.

Un-****ing believable!

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Just because the guy on the radio says it, does not mean it's 100% right. I listened to one of those shows for a while and looked up the host, he was a skin-head. Yes, a Neo-Nazi skin head. I asked him some tough questions in an email and he wouldn't answer. Then I called in, he called me a socialist because I said it's wrong for an insurance CEO to make millions when they deny claims left and right. When I emailed him again I told him my stroy about my wife getting sick, and he had no reply to that, just called me a socialist and tod me to call back anytime, I called back and they wouldn't let me on the air.

What in the world is your deal with radio talk show hosts? So you had a bad experience...sorry about that.

I suggest you either join me in an intelligent conversation (instead of letting me do all the work), or find somewhere else to bore everybody residing in the room.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

No, I'm not a big fan of Biden. But biden being VP is better than McCain being Pres. Plus it's good that you bring up Palin, if McCain dies in office or becomes incapacitated for a while, (he IS old);BAM, she's our president, so much for talking about EXPERIENCE!

Yep, and then Obama goes and elects Joe Biden (the OLDEST Senator in Congress)...so much for talking about CHANGE!

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Do you honestly think the US an Afford to go into another war full on? Are you going to Enlist? Are you going to give your life to defend Israel? Before you ask, I did enlist and got an honorable medical discharge.

Good point. Since I'm not in the military, I should know better then to have an opinion on American foreign policy.

Oh, but since you DID enlist, you must be SO much smarter then the rest of us. Way to make ANOTHER useless point. You seem to be VERY good at doing this.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

Again, you're logic is so undeniable, if you can ONLY make 800k instead of 1m, it's totally not worth it. because 800k is just NOT ENOUGH......

*listens to the sound of crickets in the background*

Originally Posted by colvindesign

You're right man, the taxes they will give you will make you poor, so it's not worth it at all.......

*more crickets here*

Originally Posted by colvindesign

These are the people who are steadily taking good jobs away from people like you and me, and replacing only some of them with 7-9 dollar an hour jobs. Seriously, you need to take a good look at reality. The rich people who will be affected mostly by this, can afford it. I don't want another god damned stimulous check, I want to go to work for 40 hours and be able to put a roof over my family and feed them. But as long as we keep catering to the wealthy, they will keep finding ways to take more and more our our money and making it harder and harder for us to make ends meet.

Sorry buddy, I don't think raising ANYBODY'S taxes are going to benefit us...unless you truely think that you're entitled to money that somebody else worked for.

Sorry...

Originally Posted by colvindesign

A little back round on me, I'm not wealthy either. I got a job offer from a big company just out of HS and took it. I was doing well, making 45k plus OT. I got married, had a couple of kids, then got laid off. Now I do some work here and there on the side, but there are lay offs left and right, and jobs are still going overseas. I don't need 35 dollars an hour. I need 15 an hour, and I can't find that. I don't have money to put my kids in care while I go to school, I don't have money to go to school, and I can't go out and get a job making 15 an hour. To boot, my wife is very sick and is applying for disability, we may get a decision in march of 09, but the first decision is always a denial of benefits. So for the mean time, I need to take care of my wife who needs help walking sometimes, and I need to care for my 2 year old, and I need to care for my 8 year old when he's not in school. In my free time I have been trying to start a business. My wife was fired from her job because she is disabled, and yes we contacted the EEOC. That also will take several months or years. With OT I was making over 55-60k a year. My wife was making good oney as well. After high medical costs, we were not doing that great.

Do you want to know what I'm NOT going to do here? I'm NOT going to tell you that you're a typical kid who doesn't know what they're talking about, and might as well forget about your hopes and dreams because you're going to end up poor like everybody else.

I'll go ahead and keep my comments to myself, and simply say, I wish you the best of luck...

Originally Posted by colvindesign

I'm glad you have a job, but do you have job security?

You know NOTHING about the sales/marketing firm I work for, and I'm not going to share any other piece of personal information with you, because doing so would OBVIOUSLY result in more unnecessary remarks on your part about how well you know me, and how I apparently need to stop listening to some radio talk show host. Thanks but no thanks buddy.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

This country has become a land of opportunity for the wealthy. It's become a bad place to be if you're not.

America lends you the freedom to fail or succeed based on the choices you make in life. It's the greatest country on the face of the Earth.

Originally Posted by colvindesign

The typical republican does not put himself in other peoples shoes. I don't expect you to either, I completely expect you to somehow tell me the situation I am in is entirely my fault.

The typical liberal whines and moans about the things that everybody else owns, and bithches and complains because life isn't fair. I'm sure you're just going to tell me (in the end) that my hard work and dedication was a result of the rich getting richer...

[TheDamned]

GO OBAMA GO.