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10-22-08, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald  Two sisters and one brother actually. One sister has plenty of money but has a pre-existing condition (stroke). No insurance company will touch her. My other sister and her husband live on nothing but social security and can't afford it. He is now on medicare and she will be within a couple of years. They are just hoping and praying she doesn't get sick before then. My brother had no money and no job. | Well, since you seem to be somewhat well off, why dont you pay to insure your sibilings... 
Being an Obama Supporter..."Spreading the wealth around" should be easy... |
10-22-08, 04:33 PM
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I didn't know they were able to decline you from participating in a work health care program for a pre existing problem. That has never came up on any of my forms when signing up for my employer's health care plan. In the case of your other sister, husband, and brother, are they physically unable to work at any job? |
10-22-08, 04:54 PM
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10-22-08, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisa GT Okay, discuss this:
“Earlier in my college career there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost.”
“This realization has presently made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desirable.” | I honestly see it as nothing more than some incite into the mind of a black woman at an Ivy League school. I assume you haven't read the actual thesis (I could be wrong) but the quotes you posted were two of a handful I have seen around the web, but still don't see them as terribly damning.
The paper isn't an easy read. It's mostly data from surveys and her take on that data- but again I don't see anything even remotely troubling in any of it.
I am a white man so I have no idea of how society may be perceived by a black woman (especially one holding degrees from Princeton and Harvard), and find her summery and hypothesis rather interesting.
Until recently I've paid no attention to either candidate's spouses because, to be honest, I don't see it as terribly relevant, especially considering all of the challenges our nation and future leader will be facing. However, the more I read about Michelle, the more impressed I am with her.
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10-22-08, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisa GT Okay, discuss this:
“Earlier in my college career there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost.”
“This realization has presently made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desirable.” | I'm assuming that she feels she owes it to the community she grew up in to give something back. To help the community prosper.
Her time in college reaffirmed the need for her to assist her community.
At least that's my interpretation. |
10-22-08, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald So, if a woman is against abortion because of her religious beliefs, she should go ahead and have one just because it's legal? | What I meant by people following their religious beliefs being scary is that if you look at the Middle East for example, they've been at war pretty much since the beginning of time because of their religious beliefs. Every time one of these suicide bombers blows themselves up its all in part with their religious beliefs.
I'm not trying to open up a whole other can o worms here, but religion is man made and therefor serves mans purpose(s). If a law can be toppled over by a religious belief, then why have laws at all?
Another thing I think I mentioned before is we have all this controversy with abortion (and it is a difficult subject), but at the same time we have this new "Infant drop off" law. So even if abortion were banned, we are still making it easy for girls to be irresponsible with no consequence. Just pop the kid out and then drop em off in Nebraska.  |
10-22-08, 05:49 PM
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10-22-08, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bigconig I honestly see it as nothing more than some incite into the mind of a black woman at an Ivy League school. I assume you haven't read the actual thesis (I could be wrong) but the quotes you posted were two of a handful I have seen around the web, but still don't see them as terribly damning.
The paper isn't an easy read. It's mostly data from surveys and her take on that data- but again I don't see anything even remotely troubling in any of it.
I am a white man so I have no idea of how society may be perceived by a black woman (especially one holding degrees from Princeton and Harvard), and find her summery and hypothesis rather interesting.
Until recently I've paid no attention to either candidate's spouses because, to be honest, I don't see it as terribly relevant, especially considering all of the challenges our nation and future leader will be facing. However, the more I read about Michelle, the more impressed I am with her. |  YOU'RE WHITE?!?!?!
I seriously thought you were a brother since fo' eva.
Hmmm...
Curious... |
10-22-08, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald I guess we need to add sexism also. For every girl that gets pregnant, there is a guy involved. At least that's how it used to work. | Doesn't seem to matter anymore. Not that it mattered much to begin with, the male in the relationship doesn't have ANY say about aborting, much less saving, the baby. Besides that, the precedent has been set that if you donate at a sperm bank they can get you for child support whether you like it or not. |
10-22-08, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bigconig I honestly see it as nothing more than some incite into the mind of a black woman at an Ivy League school. I assume you haven't read the actual thesis (I could be wrong) but the quotes you posted were two of a handful I have seen around the web, but still don't see them as terribly damning.
The paper isn't an easy read. It's mostly data from surveys and her take on that data- but again I don't see anything even remotely troubling in any of it.
I am a white man so I have no idea of how society may be perceived by a black woman (especially one holding degrees from Princeton and Harvard), and find her summery and hypothesis rather interesting.
Until recently I've paid no attention to either candidate's spouses because, to be honest, I don't see it as terribly relevant, especially considering all of the challenges our nation and future leader will be facing. However, the more I read about Michelle, the more impressed I am with her. |
Did you mean insight? And you assume wrong, I took those quotes out of what I read of the links posted in this thread today.
However, this tells me, in her own words. that Michelle will always be slanted in the favor of the black community. So I'm to assume that her husband, her life mate, the man she's shares her live with doesn't share her convictions? I'm willing to bet he probably does.
If this was a similar comment made by a white woman, it would be considered 'racist'. If Cindy McCain had written that, you can bet the MSM would be talking about it morning, noon and night and paint the McCains in the most detrimental light they could. |
10-22-08, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cindy McCain
“Earlier in my college career there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the White community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost.”
“This realization has presently made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the White community more desirable.”
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10-22-08, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jikelly I'm assuming that she feels she owes it to the community she grew up in to give something back. To help the community prosper.
Her time in college reaffirmed the need for her to assist her community.
At least that's my interpretation. | Again, 'first and foremost' tells me that right or wrong she's always going to be slated in favor of the black community on any issue. If a white person was saying that it would be considered racist. |
10-22-08, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by strtrcr50 Why are people in this thread trying to redirect to McCain instead of discussing the issue at hand? "But McCain"...  Is that the best answer?
Oh, and by the way U.M., did'nt you know that criticising The Messiah's wife is racist? You don't understand because of your white priviledge. | Quote:
Originally Posted by strtrcr50 So, a vote for McCain shows you are racist, huh?  | Quote:
Originally Posted by strtrcr50 The problem is whenever you criticise Obama, eventually you will be labeled racist. | Give it up man. It's not becoming. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa GT However, this tells me, in her own words. that Michelle will always be slanted in the favor of the black community. So I'm to assume that her husband, her life mate, the man she's shares her live with doesn't share her convictions? I'm willing to bet he probably does. | Always? Me thinks you're projecting your own beliefs without giving her the benefit of the doubt. No? Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa GT Again, 'first and foremost' tells me that right or wrong she's always going to be slated in favor of the black community on any issue. | Absolutes...
Would you say "earlier in my college career" is not an equally important part of the quote? I would say it is. Quote: |
If this was a similar comment made by a white woman, it would be considered 'racist'. If Cindy McCain had written that, you can bet the MSM would be talking about it morning, noon and night and paint the McCains in the most detrimental light they could.
| Get over it? It's called contrition. White women and men are the majority, not the minority. We have never gone through segregation, we have never been treated as less than human. If a race that has, wants to support their own community that we (sic) worked so hard to separate from ourselves, well that's their right. You can't create a problem and then ignore the consequences. Do I agree with how some black people discuss and deal with the past? Of course not. But it's not like we can snap our fingers and say: stop.
As a white person, I don't think it's terribly fair for me to have to pay for the mistakes of those before me that share nothing in common with me but my skin color. Unfortunately, human beings are not color blind, and until we all **** each other into the same color, things won't change much. |
10-22-08, 06:20 PM
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10-22-08, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisa GT Again, 'first and foremost' tells me that right or wrong she's always going to be slated in favor of the black community on any issue. If a white person was saying that it would be considered racist. | I pretty much figured that the whole "if a white person said that, it would be racist thing" would be pulled.
But I think there's a reason why. The majority of times someone has spoken the white community or helping it out, there always seems to be some sort of racial superiority attached to it. Almost anything I've read about "helping the white community" comes from places like National Vanguard and "helping" the white communtiy always seems to involve screwing over non-whites.
A great analogy to this IMO is the whole thing about "White Pride". I know a lot of you guys will say that it isn't fair because "Black Pride" is socially acceptable and "White Pride" isn't. But let's look at the two, "Black Pride" has been about appreciating black culture and overcoming struggles in a society that hasn't always been in their favour. Every time I've seen something about "White Pride", it's always thrown out by extremists who want to show how whites are so much better than non-whites and ways to take a dump on them. I think this double-standard wouldn't exist if White Pride was about the white culture and celebrating it without putting down other races. I think the closest thing to a "good" type of White Pride is St. Paddy's day: You're celebrating a culture without the superiority attached and anyone can participate in it.
I think it's unfortunate this double-standard exists, but I think the best way it can be rectified is to prove that supporting the white community or having an emphasis on the white race doesn't imply racial superiority, and I think eventually there will be someone out there who'll be up to that task. |
10-22-08, 06:22 PM
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Then neither side should be spouting any 'equality' bull**** should they? |
10-22-08, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisa GT Then neither side should be spouting any 'equality' bull**** should they? | Unfortunately it's not that simple |
10-22-08, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Therian Get over it? It's called contrition. White women and men are the majority, not the minority. We have never gone through segregation, we have never been treated as less than human. If a race that has, wants to support their own community that we (sic) worked so hard to separate from ourselves, well that's their right. You can't create a problem and then ignore the consequences. Do I agree with how some black people discuss and deal with the past? Of course not. But it's not like we can snap our fingers and say: stop.
As a white person, I don't think it's terribly fair for me to have to pay for the mistakes of those before me that share nothing in common with me but my skin color. Unfortunately, human beings are not color blind, and until we all **** each other into the same color, things won't change much. | I think Therian's post explained things a lot better than mine, and I don't think it's a case of white guilt either. |
10-22-08, 06:26 PM
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10-22-08, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald If this country ever reaches true racial equality, this will no longer be an issue. | Do you believe the black community wants racial equality any more than the white community? |
10-22-08, 06:31 PM
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10-22-08, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald Of course. To think otherwise would be the most racist thing I have heard in a long time. EDIT: Are you implying that for some reason they want to continue to be treated as second class citizens? | You definitely took that wrong.
I mean that they don't want change for equality, but exchange to be the empowered race. |
10-22-08, 06:38 PM
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10-22-08, 06:43 PM
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10-22-08, 06:49 PM
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Yeah, sadly I think he's going to win too. And my paycheck, and my husbands, will continue to be progressively raped. 
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