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10-22-08, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald  Of course. To think otherwise would be the most racist thing I have heard in a long time. EDIT: Are you implying that for some reason they want to continue to be treated as second class citizens? | Continue? The black community hasn't been treated as second class in the mainstream for a while now. Every 10 years is leaps beyond the last. I don't see blacks at the back of the bus or white only water fountains. Black people with less experience take jobs from whites due to affirmative action.
Disclaimer...I'm going to an extreme here but I'm not bitter. I understand some of Obama's plans my be viewed as socialist but to have a capitalist democracy survive there has to be some charity. You risk having absolute power, IE people with all of the money, corrupting absolutely. I sure as hell would rather have charity here than some god-forsaken burg in a ****ing desert on the other side of the world.
The rantings of a mad black woman aside, I've weighed the issues, good and bad, and decided that Obama has the better plan. At least his outweigh the bad in my mind.
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10-22-08, 07:09 PM
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10-22-08, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Therian White women and men are the majority, not the minority. We have never gone through segregation, we have never been treated as less than human. | False. Examine 20th century history again. |
10-22-08, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald So, that means you make more than $250,000. Congratulations, you can afford to pay a little more in taxes. | Nothing like punishing people for working hard and becoming successful. Spoken like a true liberal! 
You're apparently holding on pretty tight to your money though. You never did explain why YOU are not paying for your sister to have health insurance if she needs it so badly. Oh, I see, do as I say not as I do. Obama's obviously your man!
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10-22-08, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by timeless2 False. Examine 20th century history again. | I can revise and put in specifics if you like |
10-22-08, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Therian I can revise and put in specifics if you like | I can advise caution when stating "never". 
Would you like specifics? |
10-22-08, 07:41 PM
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10-22-08, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald This country has had a progressive tax rate structure since federal income taxes were instituted. I suspect I was in a higher rate than you before I retired. I may still be in retirement. I've paid my share of taxes and never complained. | I think I'm excessively taxed, and yeah, I'm bitching about it. The tax code is broken, I think it needs to be completely trashed for a flat tax across the board.
My family believes that charity begins in the home. So, you never did explain why you're not taking care of your sister's health insurance.
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10-22-08, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald This country has had a progressive tax rate structure since federal income taxes were instituted. I suspect I was in a higher tax rate bracket than you before I retired. I may still be in retirement. I've paid my share of taxes and never complained. | Oh, you're still here? I thought you left. |
10-22-08, 07:59 PM
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10-22-08, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisa GT Yeah, sadly I think he's going to win too. And my paycheck, and my husbands, will continue to be progressively raped.  | Why think that? AP presidential poll: All even in the homestretch
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald So, that means you make more than $250,000. Congratulations, you can afford to pay a little more in taxes. | Her statement does not explicitly infer her minimum salary. There are people making much less than $250k who would feel the pinch from Obama's fiscal intentions. |
10-22-08, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GT40XStang9
Her statement does not explicitly infer her minimum salary. There are people making much less than $250k who would feel the pinch from Obama's fiscal intentions.
| Yeah, I didn't figure there was any point in trying to explain that.
I'm going to check out that link.
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10-22-08, 08:05 PM
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10-22-08, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald They all worked for many years. They are now either retired or unable for health reasons. They could probably collect disability if they wanted to, but they don't. |
So there’s a Govt. plan already in place to help them that they’re not taking advantage of, but you think it’s a good idea to create another one. Why?
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Jim, I’ve spoken with you a few times in different forums over the years and while it seems our politics may clash I hope your stay here isn’t brief. |
10-22-08, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald So, that means you make more than $250,000. Congratulations, you can afford to pay a little more in taxes. | Yes since I worked extremely hard starting my own business and make a good living I get to support those who do nothing but collect.
Screw the American way, with Obama we can just take from those who earned a good living to those who do nothing to earn a good living.
I am by no means rich, I didnt grow up rich, when I was a kid my family couldnt afford to run the AC in the summer. But I had good parents who instilled good values, and valued a good education. They worked hard to provide my sister and I with a college education.
I have been on both sides, I am now 28 and own my own company and between my wife and I who is a nurse we are bordering the 250K mark. Not quite there but hopefully with more 60 hour weeks of work I will get there just so I can give almost half my earned money to those who dont work 60 hours in 6 months. |
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10-22-08, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 04DarkShadowGT Yes since I worked extremely hard starting my own business and make a good living I get to support those who do nothing but collect.
Screw the American way, with Obama we can just take from those who earned a good living to those who do nothing to earn a good living.
I am by no means rich, I didnt grow up rich, when I was a kid my family couldnt afford to run the AC in the summer. But I had good parents who instilled good values, and valued a good education. They worked hard to provide my sister and I with a college education.
I have been on both sides, I am now 28 and own my own company and between my wife and I who is a nurse we are bordering the 250K mark. Not quite there but hopefully with more 60 hour weeks of work I will get there just so I can give almost half my earned money to those who dont work 60 hours in 6 months. | Yeah, so much for the American Dream, huh? Seems like they forget the part about hard work and perseverance. Most successful people have invested a lot into becoming successful. Applying themselves to their studies, going to college and not partying all the time, maybe sacrificing time with family and friends, working long hours, saving and investing in their business,etc. etc. You would think that a $250K+ salary just all of a sudden falls into somebody's lap like the lottery. Oh, what luck!!!   |
10-22-08, 08:16 PM
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10-22-08, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisa GT I think I'm excessively taxed, and yeah, I'm bitching about it. The tax code is broken, I think it needs to be completely trashed for a flat tax across the board.
My family believes that charity begins in the home. So, you never did explain why you're not taking care of your sister's health insurance. | Not to take sides here, but if I read things correctly his sister has a precondition and can't get approved for health insurance. So even if the neighbor down the street wanted to pay for it, if she can't get approved, it doesn't matter.
Under Obama's plan: Quote:
Q. What if I have a pre-existing condition?
A.This guaranteed eligibility will apply to all private and public insurance plans, whether they are offered in the National Health Insurance Exchange or outside of it. No insurance companies will be allowed to discriminate because of a previous bout with cancer or some other pre-existing illness.
| So while under Obama some would be taxed if they make more then $250,000 and hate it, for this guys sister, Obama becoming president would be a god send.
IMHO, Health is everything. Without it, you can't enjoy life. This is a big deal for me too as Diabetes runs in my family. Obama's health plan greatly appeals to me. |
10-22-08, 08:24 PM
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Well, he did say this, so I assume he's got a pretty healthy income: Quote:
Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald This country has had a progressive tax rate structure since federal income taxes were instituted. I suspect I was in a higher tax rate bracket than you before I retired. I may still be in retirement. I've paid my share of taxes and never complained. |
I believe in a past post he said he has another sister and her husband who can't afford it.
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald You know nothing about my situation or my family's. You know nothing about what I have or have not done to take care of people within or outside of my family. So shut your ****ing trap. | |
10-22-08, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisa GT Regardless, I'm done trying to have any further dialog with him since: | I understand. I know its fight club but we need to not let all this get our blood pressure boiling.
Stay cool guys. |
10-22-08, 08:34 PM
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10-22-08, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jimfitzgerald Her statement doesn't infer anything. It implies she makes more than $250,000. | wat |
10-22-08, 08:38 PM
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