[poboys 94]

Those aren't juvenile moose on the scarf, are they?
It looks as if she was given the scarf during an event by a member of the crowd. And was then stupid or unwise enough to put it on. What a fantastic stunt. Or maybe when you spend $150,000 in a rush you may end up with inappropriate items.

[EMW150]

You should apply for a job at MSNBC. You'd fit right in with Olbermann and the rest of the no ratings bunch.

[strtrcr50]

You got the original source on that pic?

[caballo]

So... how's that a goof?

Voting isn't just a republican principle. Seriously if this is all you got...

[Uncle Meat]

Lame, very lame.

U.M.

[Reimann]

Way to try to distract us from the economy, the Iraq war, Afghanistan, and Iran I guess it is better to talk about Palin's silly scarf than how your candidate's tax plan will make the economy worse, how he'll surrender us in Iraq, wants to add more troops to Afghanistan while not following the surge plan that made Iraq a success, and wants to sit down with the Iran president and legitimize his plans to wipe one of our allies off the map. Yeah, lets talk about the scarf. Do you think it matches her socks?

[Uncle Meat]

Lather, rinse, repeat.

U.M.

[caballo]

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

Lather, rince, repeat.

U.M.

"s" not "c"

[Uncle Meat]

Dam Engrish polease!

U.M.

[T1 3VOM]

I might be stupid for asking this... but is that real, or photo shopped? If that's real... it's funny.

[SQUEEZE&STROKE]

I'd lie to see her ONLY wearing that scarf...

Seriously, why use the bandwith for such a dumb picture...

[poboys 94]

Aw cmon guys all in good fun, and I find her explanation of the VP duties even more humorous. Besides the McCain/Palin ticket have provided humor in an otherwise gloomy out look. But cheer up maybe they really are baby moose?

[EMW150]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Aw cmon guys all in good fun, and I find her explanation of the VP duties even more humorous. Besides the McCain/Palin ticket have provided humor in an otherwise gloomy out look. But cheer up maybe they really are baby moose?

Oh really now?

And, yes, the VP's legislative duties are in Article I. But that cuts precisely against the point that Biden was trying to make. Here's what Biden said:

"Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that. . . . The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous."

This is wong on multiple levels at once. Article I -- which deals with the legislative, not the Executive branch, says: "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." The Vice President presides over the Senate by right, whenever he/she wants to, regardless of whether there's a tie vote.

Instapundit.com -

[GT40XStang9]

Yep, lil Ms. Palin has proven on more than one occasion that she knows what the VP does moreso than Biden.

[EMW150]

Originally Posted by GT40XStang9

Yep, lil Ms. Palin has proven on more than one occasion that she knows what the VP does moreso than Biden.

Yeah , exactly, and OP's response is where?????????????????

[Wart]

Originally Posted by T1 3VOM

I might be stupid for asking this... but is that real, or photo shopped? If that's real... it's funny.

Not a stupid question at all.

Seems it isn't photoshopped, its for real


photojournalist Whittaker gives us his take on the story:

The Reno event "went down like any other campaign rally," Whittaker says. Palin did not have a scarf on during her speech and wasn't wearing it "at least the first five or ten minutes of working the rope line" afterward. Whittaker worked his way through the post-speech crowd toward Palin and "shot her for about 5 minutes until she was out of my sight, and she had the scarf on the whole time." How did she get it? It's still unclear, but Whittaker notes that in the meet-and-greet-frenzy "it's pretty inconceivable that anything happened beyond someone in the crowd giving her this scarf. I can't see her suddenly pulling it out of her handbag in this rope line." When he went to shoot her a half-hour later for an interview with CNN, the scarf had disappeared, he said.

[EMW150]

Originally Posted by Wart

Not a stupid question at all.

Seems it isn't photoshopped, its for real


photojournalist Whittaker gives us his take on the story:

The Reno event "went down like any other campaign rally," Whittaker says. Palin did not have a scarf on during her speech and wasn't wearing it "at least the first five or ten minutes of working the rope line" afterward. Whittaker worked his way through the post-speech crowd toward Palin and "shot her for about 5 minutes until she was out of my sight, and she had the scarf on the whole time." How did she get it? It's still unclear, but Whittaker notes that in the meet-and-greet-frenzy "it's pretty inconceivable that anything happened beyond someone in the crowd giving her this scarf. I can't see her suddenly pulling it out of her handbag in this rope line." When he went to shoot her a half-hour later for an interview with CNN, the scarf had disappeared, he said.

And your point is???..........

[rbohm]

Originally Posted by caballo

"s" not "c"

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

Dam Engrish polease!

U.M.

UM is ah publick skule gradgieate, an dunt knead no hep wit his spelin.

[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

Girl in the middle... would you?

[Wart]

Originally Posted by GT40XStang9

Girl in the middle... would you?

Thats a SHE??

Uh, No.

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by EMW150

Oh really now?

And, yes, the VP's legislative duties are in Article I. But that cuts precisely against the point that Biden was trying to make. Here's what Biden said:

"Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that. . . . The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous."

This is wong on multiple levels at once. Article I -- which deals with the legislative, not the Executive branch, says: "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." The Vice President presides over the Senate by right, whenever he/she wants to, regardless of whether there's a tie vote.

Instapundit.com -

Palin said in the debate: PALIN: Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president's agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we'll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation. And it is my executive experience that is partly to be attributed to my pick as V.P. with McCain, not only as a governor, but earlier on as a mayor, as an oil and gas regulator, as a business owner. It is those years of experience on an executive level that will be put to good use in the White House also."
Point taken on Bidens mistake. He got the 2 branches mixed up. Wikipedia describes the VP duties as: The formal powers and role of the vice president are limited by the Constitution to becoming President should the President become unable to serve (e.g. due to the death, resignation, or medical impairment of the President) and sometimes acting as the presiding officer of the U.S. Senate.
As President of the Senate, the Vice President has two primary duties: to cast a vote in the event of a Senate deadlock and to preside over and certify the official vote count of the U.S. Electoral College. For example, in the first half of 2001, the Senators were divided 50-50 between Republicans and Democrats and Dick Cheney's tie-breaking vote gave the Republicans the Senate majority.

Except for this tie-breaking role, the Standing Rules of the Senate do not vest any significant responsibilities in the Vice President. Rule XIX, which governs debate, does not authorize the Vice President to participate in debate, and grants only to members of the Senate (and, upon appropriate notice, former presidents of the United States) the privilege of addressing the Senate, without granting a similar privilege to the sitting Vice President. Thus, as Time Magazine wrote during the controversial tenure of Vice-President Charles G. Dawes, "once in four years the Vice President can make a little speech, and then he is done. For four years he then has to sit in the seat of the silent, attending to speeches ponderous or otherwise, of deliberation or humor."[9]
As President of the Senate, John Adams cast twenty-nine tie-breaking votes—a record that no successor except for John C. Calhoun ever threatened. His votes protected the president's sole authority over the removal of appointees, influenced the location of the national capital, and prevented war with Great Britain. On at least one occasion he persuaded senators to vote against legislation that he opposed, and he frequently lectured the Senate on procedural and policy matters. Adams' political views and his active role in the Senate made him a natural target for critics of the Washington administration. Toward the end of his first term, as a result of a threatened resolution that would have silenced him except for procedural and policy matters, he began to exercise more restraint in the hope of realizing the goal shared by many of his successors: election in his own right as president of the United States of America.
Now if she intends on following in the footsteps of John Adams, and actually "take on the duties of President of the Senate and use the position to influence the passage of legislation or act in a partisan manner", 1-She would have some awfully big shoes to fill and 2- She like Adams, would in all probability be "threatened with a resolution that would have silenced him except for procedural and policy matters", Wiki goes on to say: "In modern times, the vice president rarely presides over day-to-day matters in the Senate; in his place, the Senate chooses a President pro tempore (or "president for a time") to preside in the Vice President's absence, and the Senate maintains a Duty Roster for the post, normally selecting the longest serving senator in the majority party." For the record Article 1 section 3 of the constitution states--The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate,
but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro
tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the
Office of President of the United States.
So Bidens gaff aside, he is more in the line with modern thinking of what the office requires of the VP, and IMO would be a better substitute for John Adams then Palin would as President of the Senate, because of his years of experience working in the senate, and would command more respect at the position then Palin because of it.
Any way, if Biden would have been the one with a pachyderm scarf or tie it would have been just as hilarious.

[caballo]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

So Bidens gaff aside, he is more in the line with modern thinking of what the office requires of the VP, and IMO would be a better substitute for John Adams then Palin would as President of the Senate, because of his years of experience working in the senate, and would command more respect at the position then Palin because of it.

That's your whole problem. We don't care what people want to think in modern times. The Constitution in very EXPLICIT about the VP duties regardless of what people want to think or what their opinion is. You wanna change the Constitution, work to get it amended, otherwise follow it to the letter...

[EMW150]

Originally Posted by caballo

That's your whole problem. We don't care what people want to think in modern times. The Constitution in very EXPLICIT about the VP duties regardless of what people want to think or what their opinion is. You wanna change the Constitution, work to get it amended, otherwise follow it to the letter...

Exactly, I thought Poboys would understand that, being the Ron Paul supporter that he is.

[poboys 94]

Looks like your problem is you don't read complete posts or ignore links. By modern times it ( the Wiki link) is refering to the period AFTER John Adams. Read it. It's the way the VP position has been since, and even a great patriot like him caught hell for being Prez of the Senate. I don't want to change the damn constitution, I just want our elected reps to follow it like it is intended, and not infringe upon it like the recent fascist SOBs in office now have.

Again read above and read the link. I would think you of all people would have noticed that dude.
I think these reactions come about from a failure to admit that Palin was a bad choice put in place as a cheap stunt to appeal to those that are easily faked out by BS, it is good to see that most of those folks are coming to their senses and realize that all that glitters, smiles and winks with nice legs, is not gold. If people would have paid attention to substance, truth and integrity, Dr. Paul would have easily been the top choice for them, but the mind less continue to treat the election process like American Idol with less talent AND brains. To those people I say you get what you deserve. These are the same people that will object to tampering with the constitution while minimizing the intrusions on it by the Patriot Act. Are cluless about the Military commissions Act, or what the creation of DHS did or what the passage of HR 1955 REALLY could mean to them, they profess to being a Patriot, a real conservative etc. but have no clue what is being done to this once great country in their name for their "freedom" To all you religious Joe Sixpaks out there, get a freaking clue

An age is called Dark, not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it.-James Michener:

[EMW150]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Looks like your problem is you don't read complete posts or ignore links. By modern times it ( the Wiki link) is refering to the period AFTER John Adams. Read it. It's the way the VP position has been since, and even a great patriot like him caught hell for being Prez of the Senate. I don't want to change the damn constitution, I just want our elected reps to follow it like it is intended, and not infringe upon it like the recent fascist SOBs in office now have.

I did read the link, however the wording of the Constitution allows the VP to preside over the Senate whenever they feel necessary. Am I wrong? You're making it a precidence that just because it isn't regularly exercised that it should never be allowed. The wording is very clear. Now tell me how bad Biden's version is botched... You're always so quick to jump on the slam Palin bandwagon but never say one word about the constant Gaffes flowing from Biden's mouth. Palin brings sound conservative judgement to the table. Even if she was inexperienced as you'd say, the sound conservative judgement outweighs that in my mind. This garbage media has made her look like something she isn't and guess what Poboys, you're drinking the Kool-aid. You've bought it hook, line, and sinker. That's disappointing considering you seem to be someone who's pretty consistant about looking outside the box.