[302RollinHard]

Originally Posted by bigconig

My thinking is if there actually were a war I would want the Bigger army. Not the one that cost more per capita. You guys are funny.

Like I stated earlier, most of the military would be on the conservative side along with nearly all the gun owners.
Besides, most on your side, sir, abhorr firearms, so where would that leave you?

We were simply pointing out that your facts were severly slanted to support the point you were trying to make.

After all, Wyoming has a higher per capita gross state product than both states you put on a pedistal.

[Bluffing024]

You can take all those figures and throw them out the window. I didn't say the states the voted Osama and McCain, I said the people. Which would leave McCain with hard working productive members, and lots of MONEY. Osama's side would be largely inner city populations. Crime would be high, and you couldn't fund anything because a majority of the money would be gone. Conservatives would thrive on our own. Liberals wouldn't make it.

[ninety2.3]

Originally Posted by Bluffing024

You can take all those figures and throw them out the window. I didn't say the states the voted Osama and McCain, I said the people. Which would leave McCain with hard working productive members, and lots of MONEY. Osama's side would be largely inner city populations. Crime would be high, and you couldn't fund anything because a majority of the money would be gone. Conservatives would thrive on our own. Liberals wouldn't make it.

You know, as soon as I read your first post I thought this is what you meant. Then RedFox spouted something completely unrelated and look what it started.

Did you even read the post Red?

Anyway I agree one would have a better military and have more money while the other wouldnt.

[Venom351R]

Originally Posted by RedFoxGT

Last time I checked California and New York were Blue States.

Not everyone in each state voted for obama. There are plenty that would move to the conservative side of the united states if it ever came to that. Which sometimes I wish it would, especially facing what we have ahead of us now.

[jlangholzj]

Originally Posted by Bluffing024

You can take all those figures and throw them out the window. I didn't say the states the voted Osama and McCain, I said the people. Which would leave McCain with hard working productive members, and lots of MONEY. Osama's side would be largely inner city populations. Crime would be high, and you couldn't fund anything because a majority of the money would be gone. Conservatives would thrive on our own. Liberals wouldn't make it.

thanks for bringing that into focus





and sure...I'll admit it....I put my foot in my mouth here on this one...whoop te effin doo! ...at least i know i did....I'll get over it

[bigconig]

This sort of thinking will not help you guys win elections. . .funny that the right is the side always calling others the elitists yet they believe they are the only ones who work or sacrifice. Just ain't the case. Urban and rural communities have hard working residents and lazy losers. Anyone sitting in one and painting the other with such a broad brush is proving their ignorance.

[Venom351R]

Originally Posted by bigconig

This sort of thinking will not help you guys win elections. . .funny that the right is the side always calling others the elitists yet they believe they are the only ones who work or sacrifice. Just ain't the case. Urban and rural communities have hard working residents and lazy losers. Anyone sitting in one and painting the other with such a broad brush is proving their ignorance.

Urban and Rural communites have hard working residents and lazy losers and liberls and consertivites. So whats your point? Your breaking down politlcal voting tendices into regions?

What line of thinking will not win elections? Why is that liberals cant stick to topics. This thread has nothing to do with what mentality will or wont win the next election, its just a what if scenario and what would happen if that were the case. Yet it gets turned into that a certain type of thinking wont get a republican elected again Ok sure, but if you want to go that route then all I have to say is that obamas line of thinking and mentality wont get him re elected either.

[bigconig]

Originally Posted by Redline_351R

Urban and Rural communites have hard working residents and lazy losers and liberls and consertivites. So whats your point? Your breaking down politlcal voting tendices into regions?

What line of thinking will not win elections? Why is that liberals cant stick to topics. This thread has nothing to do with what mentality will or wont win the next election, its just a what if scenario and what would happen if that were the case. Yet it gets turned into that a certain type of thinking wont get a republican elected again Ok sure, but if you want to go that route then all I have to say is that obamas line of thinking and mentality wont get him re elected either.

My post was simply addressing the point made in a number of posts here that all the money and hard working citizens would be in a republican nation and the Democrats would be left with in city people and no money. This is just wrong. Period.

My point about elections is that that sort of thinking doesn't float in America anymore. The real America is the WHOLE nation.

[Venom351R]

Originally Posted by bigconig

My post was simply addressing the point made in a number of posts here that all the money and hard working citizens would be in a republican nation and the Democrats would be left with in city people and no money. This is just wrong. Period.

I agree that is not the case. Democrats are not the evil ones in this situation. Its liberals and socialists. Im fine w/ obama being president as a democrat. It's scary b/c hes also a liberal socialist

[dew22]

Seems a nerve was struck.

They need us. Do we need them?

Personal responsibility would take on a whole new meaning when there weren’t enough of us to support their larger population of Govt. $ recipients.


IMO the only options they’d have is become more Conservative, Communist, or collapse.

You notice I didn’t say more Communist.


There I said it..................have a nice day.

[Therian]

Oh my.

Sweden must be really collapsing in their Socialist hell hole! I mean, look at all of those liberals, they couldn't survive on their own...could they? Could they?

Of course they can.

[DocG2828]

Originally Posted by Bluffing024

one that had everyone that voted for McCain (conservatives) and one with everyone that voted for Osama (liberals) with their respective leaders to run both.

Its interesting that you think the voters were divided along such a simple little line.

I voted McCain, but I was half an inch from voting for Obama myself.

[dew22]

Originally Posted by Therian

Oh my.

Sweden must be really collapsing in their Socialist hell hole! I mean, look at all of those liberals, they couldn't survive on their own...could they? Could they?

Of course they can.

The hypothetical was taking the people who voted for McCain and those who voted for Obama and dividing them into 2 separate countries. If that was done there would be no way the Obama side would be able to subsidize those on the Govt. Dime. They’d (Govt. Recipients) either have to become less dependant / more productive or those subsidizing them would have to give more and/or become more productive.

[Therian]

Originally Posted by dew22

The hypothetical was taking the people who voted for McCain and those who voted for Obama and dividing them into 2 separate countries. If that was done there would be no way the Obama side would be able to subsidize those on the Govt. Dime. They’d (Govt. Recipients) either have to become less dependant / more productive or those subsidizing them would have to give more and/or become more productive.

I understand the scenario. I provided another (primarily liberal) country to show that 'it can be done'.

But I'd like to throw a wrench into this scenario. Where is the moderate country?

[dew22]

Originally Posted by Therian

I understand the scenario. I provided another (primarily liberal) country to show that 'it can be done'.

But I'd like to throw a wrench into this scenario. Where is the moderate country?

There's moderates on both sides, but the ones on the Obama side would get taxed to our side rather quickly.

[Uncle Meat]

Originally Posted by Therian

But I'd like to throw a wrench into this scenario. Where is the moderate country?

Well since the only thing the dems & reps hate more than each other is a mod... I think we'd have to ship all them somewhere North across the border eh.

U.M.

[302RollinHard]

Originally Posted by Therian

But I'd like to throw a wrench into this scenario. Where is the moderate country?

In...............Canada???

[Therian]

I'm cool with that.

[Venom351R]

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

Well since the only thing the dems & reps hate more than each other is a mod... I think we'd have to ship all them somewhere North across the border eh.

U.M.

Your avatar reminds me that I read or heard somewhere that obama has a really bad smoking problem but it has been kept concealed from the American public.

[svttech76]

Originally Posted by Bluffing024

You can take all those figures and throw them out the window. I didn't say the states the voted Osama and McCain, I said the people. Which would leave McCain with hard working productive members, and lots of MONEY. Osama's side would be largely inner city populations. Crime would be high, and you couldn't fund anything because a majority of the money would be gone. Conservatives would thrive on our own. Liberals wouldn't make it.

See thats the part they don't understand..

Many of the productive people from blue states would leave for the conservative country, leaving a huge inner city poor population behind and some of the elite liberal rich who would soon be broke trying to support the inner city welfare machine.


While in the conservative states of america ( What would it be called?) everybody would have to work and with no welfare, free health care or any other great society laws our taxes would be insanely low


Companies would move over the border since the cost of doing business in the true conservative country would be a fraction of what it is in the liberal states of america

Then even more money will flow into our side since the liberals would have to buy everything from us, if we wanted to be really mean we could use our navy to blockade them and force them to buy from us or pay fees for other foreign imports to get through at extreme markup.

With very little money to fund their great society they will have to just about cut out any military spending, sure they might have more people but those people will be fighting on foot or in obsolete equipment and the conservative states of america flush with money and factories would have top of the line state of the art equipment.

What would result is a assrape of a war it would look something like when germany invaded poland with the pols trying to fight tanks on horses.

[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by RedFoxGT

Thanks for illustrating my point bigconig.

Let's illustrate it a little better...

California unemployment jumps to 8.2%, third-highest in the U.S. - Los Angeles Times

Superseded by only 2 other blue states. Now just for kicks, you could compare the economies of California's blue counties vs. its red counties...

Edit: The funniest part of that article is the last paragraph...

Screen Actors Guild to seek strike authorization

[Dusstbuster]

Can I throw this food for thought out too...

How do you think elections would go if, instead of voting ALL for one in the electoral college, the votes were cast individually? So for example...California has 55 electoral college votes. If the vote in Cali went 60% Democrat, 40% Republican, 33 electoral votes would go to the Democratic candidate and 22 would go to the Republican candidiate...

I think it'd be kinda interesting to see. If I'm bored enough today I might try figure that out...

[Dusstbuster]

So I added up the results and the electoral college turnout, if based off vote percentages/state, would have been 250 McCain, 281 Obama (Yes I know I'm missing 4, I had to quickly write the states/percentages/electoral votes before I went to class and more than likely missed a 4vote state in the NE area)

Still, 281 - 250 give or take 4 is quite a bit closer than the 365 - 173 that actually happened.

And before you say "BUT THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS"...Yes, I know that's not how it works. I'm just using a more accurate representation. The most accurate would be popular vote, putting it at 53% - 46%

[jikelly]

Our contry seems pretty devided when you look at it that way.

[Dusstbuster]

Also...after like a year or so...or no timeframe at all...could people from one "country" move to the other if they didn't like the way things were going in their first choice?