[Bluffing024]

Say we wanted to make everyone happy and we split into two separate countries, one that had everyone that voted for McCain (conservatives) and one with everyone that voted for Osama (liberals) with their respective leaders to run both. What do you think would happen? I am sure you would end up with one side with a very strong military and very financially successful. The other side would have enormous crime rates, high poverty and a tiny weak military. One would become a super power and the other would want to merge and then slowly turn it back into what it has become today.

[Uncle Meat]

I ain't touchin' that one even with a 10ft pole.

U.M.

[Bluffing024]

Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

I ain't touchin' that one even with a 10ft pole.

U.M.

Why not?

[RedFoxGT]

Originally Posted by Bluffing024

Say we wanted to make everyone happy and we split into two separate countries, one that had everyone that voted for McCain (conservatives) and one with everyone that voted for Osama (liberals) with their respective leaders to run both. What do you think would happen? I am sure you would end up with one side with a very strong military and very financially successful.

Last time I checked California and New York were Blue States.

BTW that already happed.....it was called the Civil War.

I think we all know how that turned out.

[jlangholzj]

Originally Posted by RedFoxGT

BTW that already happed.....it was called the Civil War.

I think we all know how that turned out.

Your giving yourself too much credit relating the confederate party's red with the republican party's red.....



it would be the same as relating the color on Biden's face when he's choking on his foot to the democratic party.....


ooops....wait a minute.....OH YEAH!! that would be a good analogy!

[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by RedFoxGT

Last time I checked California and New York were Blue States.

Did you just call California financially successful?

el.oh.el

[bigconig]

some interesting stats

[RedFoxGT]

Thanks for illustrating my point bigconig.

[svttech76]

Originally Posted by Bluffing024

Say we wanted to make everyone happy and we split into two separate countries, one that had everyone that voted for McCain (conservatives) and one with everyone that voted for Osama (liberals) with their respective leaders to run both. What do you think would happen? I am sure you would end up with one side with a very strong military and very financially successful. The other side would have enormous crime rates, high poverty and a tiny weak military. One would become a super power and the other would want to merge and then slowly turn it back into what it has become today.

I would think it would turn out like that..

Originally Posted by RedFoxGT

Last time I checked California and New York were Blue States.

BTW that already happed.....it was called the Civil War.

I think we all know how that turned out.

Comparing the republican run civil war era north to todays liberal blue states is laughable. the political climate has changed so much since then.. todays most conservative republicans would be considered radical liberals or socialist by the republicans of the 1860's and laughed out of politics.. Todays liberals would be unthinkable in those times. Neither the dems or repubs of today would elect a single member to congress or senate let alone the presidency in those days.

there is no way you can compare any of the political parties of the mid 19th century to anything in politics today.

It's like comparing apples to aircraft carriers

[302RollinHard]

Originally Posted by bigconig

some interesting stats

Why no per capita figures for links 1 & 4? That would be apples to apples.

[302RollinHard]

Oh and a vast majority of the privately guns and military personnel would be on the one side, as well.

And as for the other side.......Why would you want to create another France?

[jlangholzj]

Originally Posted by 302RollinHard

Why no per capita figures for links 1 & 4? That would be apples to apples.

beat me to the punch


and there-in lies the deceitful nature of politics.....you can throw around figures all you want and more often than not, each party uses the same set of information, just that it's skewed to reflect positively on their party...

I second this motion....I want too see some per-capita figures on this, because obviously CA and NY have populations that are 5X larger than some states!!! so naturally their numbers will be inflated.....

otherwise.....peanuts to F-16's ........makes NO sense...

[RedFoxGT]

Originally Posted by svttech76

I would think it would turn out like that..

Please refer to the statistics above.

Originally Posted by svttech76

Comparing the republican run civil war era north to todays liberal blue states is laughable. the political climate has changed so much since then.. todays most conservative republicans would be considered radical liberals or socialist by the republicans of the 1860's and laughed out of politics.. Todays liberals would be unthinkable in those times. Neither the dems or repubs of today would elect a single member to congress or senate let alone the presidency in those days.

there is no way you can compare any of the political parties of the mid 19th century to anything in politics today.

It's like comparing apples to aircraft carriers

So basically its just a coincidence that all of the former confederate states happen to be Red States today?

[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by RedFoxGT

Thanks for illustrating my point bigconig.

Now have him show the per capita vs. cost of living. Then top that off with state unemployment stats and net product.

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[jlangholzj]

Originally Posted by RedFoxGT

So basically its just a coincidence that all of the former confederate states happen to be Red States today?

you obviously forgot about Virginia and Florida.......


BESIDES THE FACT!!!!!

Originally Posted by American Republic to 1887

The republican party was founded in 1854 by anti-slavery expansion activists and modernizers.

isn't that kind of ....oh....i don't know...OPPOSITE to what the confederacy was going for????



get your facts right before you spout off.....know it makes sense why you voted for osama.

[RedFoxGT]

Originally Posted by GT40XStang9

Now have him show the per capita vs. cost of living. Then top that off with state unemployment stats and net product.

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How about one of you guys show some stats that suggest otherwise instead of dismissing everything?

BTW here is some more interesting information about California.

Cal Facts 2004 State Economy

[RedFoxGT]

Originally Posted by jlangholzj

you obviously forgot about Virginia and Florida.......


BESIDES THE FACT!!!!!

Virginia and Florida were historically Red states. Barack Obama changed that.

Originally Posted by jlangholzj

isn't that kind of ....oh....i don't know...OPPOSITE to what the confederacy was going for????


get your facts right before you spout off.....know it makes sense why you voted for osama.

The names switched around but the values and ideology remained the same.

Whats your point ?

BTW I knew that since the 8th grade.

[jlangholzj]

Minnesota's higher than California in BOTH and above NY in Military spending and right behind it in GSP by only $3k



You now stand corrected Mr....and from the same damn web-site




read this for your proper eye test:


I
AM
Sofa King
we tod did

[RedFoxGT]

Originally Posted by jlangholzj

Minnesota's higher than California in BOTH and above NY in Military spending and right behind it in GSP by only $3k



You now stand corrected Mr....and from the same damn web-site




read this for your proper eye test:


I
AM
Sofa King
we tod did

I'm still seeing Blue states at the top and if im not mistaken Minnesota is a BLUE state as well.

The only Southern state I seen on that chart is Texas and its at the very bottom under Millitary.

I can unequivocally say that the red states would be screwed if they decided to secede.

[jlangholzj]

..true...but there's more reds up there than your other slanted stats....


My point was getting across that you were full of S H I T putting CA and NY at the top....boasting simply because of the big numbers.

besides the fact...look at the difference in states voting between 2004 and '08

[RedFoxGT]

Originally Posted by jlangholzj

..true...but there's more reds up there than your other slanted stats....

Too bad that doesn't change anything. Blue states are still leading.

Originally Posted by jlangholzj

My point was getting across that you were full of S H I T putting CA and NY at the top....boasting simply because of the big numbers.

LOL you need to go back and read my post. I never "put CA and NY at the top" or "boasted" about them. I could have mentioned any of the Blue states listed on the chart and my point would have been the same.

Originally Posted by jlangholzj

besides the fact...look at the difference in states voting between 2004 and '08

If im not mistaken, the only thing I noticed was more Red states turning into Blue states? Not sure what point you are trying to make.

[jlangholzj]

Originally Posted by RedFoxGT

If im not mistaken, the only thing I noticed was more Red states turning into Blue states? Not sure what point you are trying to make.

we've gone over the fact already that bush screwed McCains chances (hence the reds to blue) but the point was that given any year, any situation, any set of economic issues....there's always states that are bound to change......a few states changing is 4 years is HUGE! plus......the popular vote was 52% to 47% rather small
isn't it?? that proves how much emphasis is put on a select few sates.....


looks a bit like this:

[svttech76]

Originally Posted by RedFoxGT

Please refer to the statistics above.





So basically its just a coincidence that all of the former confederate states happen to be Red States today?

Many of those high production states used to be red states not even 30-40 years ago. The shift to liberalism has already driven a lot of companies and high paying jobs out of my former red now very blue state (Massachusetts)

In these Blue states a lot of the votes that make them blue come from the less productive inner cites with high population.. Just because a person was born, grew up in, and lives today in a blue or red state that does not mean they agree with the way that state leans politically. even in my state about 40 percent of the people voted for McCain.. Among that 40 percent is quite a few of the highly productive upper middle class voters.

Even in Extremely liberal massachusetts in my middle to upper middle class town obama only got about 53 percent of the vote.. and where I used to live in a few months ago
(dracut,ma) McCain won by a small margin

BUT if you look at inner city boston, worcester inner city like brockton and lowell Obama won by a landslide. These are not the highly educated Massachusetts voters.

BUT another thing that makes my state very liberal is the inner ring of very liberal wealthy suburbs of brookline, newton, weston, wellesley these areas are filled with extreme liberals, these towns are mostly jewish ( nothing against jewish people but they tend to be liberal even when rich)

Plus we have a LARGE population of college students and that group is very liberal.

Now about your former confederate states..

Up until the late 1960's these southern states were democrat states, it was president johnson's great society legislation and his war on poverty that turned the inner cities of the north into democrat strongholds and turned the south toward the republican party.

Supposedly Johnson said some disturbing and pretty disgusting comments about how black people will vote democrat forever because of him.

Before that southern states ALWAYS went democrat.

[Mrgreen94gt]

Originally Posted by jlangholzj

you obviously forgot about Virginia and Florida.......


BESIDES THE FACT!!!!!



isn't that kind of ....oh....i don't know...OPPOSITE to what the confederacy was going for????



get your facts right before you spout off...

Good job oversimplifying the metamorphosis of US political parties from 1854 to now.

..know it makes sense why you voted for osama.

Good job behaving like a retarded fifth grader.

[bigconig]

My thinking is if there actually were a war I would want the Bigger army. Not the one that cost more per capita. You guys are funny.