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11-14-08, 04:37 PM
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Figure anything out on this yet? |
11-14-08, 05:16 PM
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Im back, went to sleep since I had been up all night with this problem. Still no idea what is wrong. |
11-14-08, 06:33 PM
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11-14-08, 06:54 PM
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Well I dont think it skipped timing.If it had ,it would either run horrible or attempt to run and backfire horribly bad.So I wouldn't think it would be that.
Also,the shrader valve on the fuel rail is before the pressure regulator.You may want to have a look at the regulator.Do you have a vacuum pump?
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11-14-08, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MustangLX-5.0  Well I dont think it skipped timing.If it had ,it would either run horrible or attempt to run and backfire horribly bad.So I wouldn't think it would be that. | Finally some good news Quote:
Originally Posted by MustangLX-5.0 Also,the shrader valve on the fuel rail is before the pressure regulator.You may want to have a look at the regulator.Do you have a vacuum pump? | vacuum pump? pressure reg.? err um Im getting lost here. |
11-14-08, 07:51 PM
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Have you checked the timing marks to ensure they are still lined up?
Aside from that, it sounds like you don't have spark |
11-14-08, 08:18 PM
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I have not checked timing marks, cant get the plastic cover off very far and dont have the manual telling me what i should be seeing.
This may sound stupid but how do I get spark back?? |
11-14-08, 08:36 PM
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11-14-08, 09:04 PM
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I think since we seem to be going around in circles. The easiest thing to do would be to pull the codes on the computer. There are a couple places here in town that rent/loan them or you could buy one.
You don't by chance have an aftermarket alarm installed do you? |
11-14-08, 09:33 PM
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Ugh, its not the timing belt and the noise was eaither non existant or irrelevent to the issue at hand IMO.
Sounds like your cam angle sensor went bad. I see it alot on DOHC 4 bangers that just quit while driving and no other symptoms. |
11-14-08, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LaserSVT Ugh, its not the timing belt and the noise was eaither non existant or irrelevent to the issue at hand IMO.
Sounds like your cam angle sensor went bad. I see it alot on DOHC 4 bangers that just quit while driving and no other symptoms. | where is this cam angle sensor located? |
11-14-08, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sarges_heroes20 where is this cam angle sensor located? | Somewhere behind the timing chain cover. I think its really down low but that may be Kia I am thinking of. Anyway that engine can take a beating if its the same one the Escape came with and I am pretty sure it is. The timing belt is supposed to be replaced every 60,000 miles. That being said I know a guy with an 02 that has 456,000 miles and has broken his timing belt many times with no problems, no interference engine FTMFW! 
Anyway the sensor will be on one of the gears for the timing belt. Its a magnetic pick up sensor. Too bad you reset the ECU cause you could of read the code. It may have thrown one again but there is one there so the best idea is to scan the puter. Dont go throwing parts at it. Buy a scanner from wal mart or Autozone, run the scan then return it 
That was free BTW, you dont even have to tip  |
11-14-08, 10:34 PM
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11-14-08, 11:18 PM
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better news just came in. Dad is bringing down the extra car mom used to drive (she bought a new suv thingy) and I get to drive a neon till mine is fixed. back to work on monday. |
11-15-08, 07:47 AM
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Cool but you still need to fix your ride. Answer these for me
1. fuel pressure, when you test at the shrader valve, does it just seep out or seem to be under pressure and want to spray everywhere?
2. How much fuel is in the tank,was it empty when it died?
3. When you trying to start it does it seem to turn over faster and easier than normal? |
11-15-08, 08:48 AM
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Turning over much faster than normal = Camshaft not rotating ..eg.timing belt.
Also,you can test pressure at the shrader valve but pressure will only be greatest for a second since the fuel pump isn't running.
These aren't the same engines that the Escape has.Escape has 2.3L (used to be 2.3..2009 haa new 2.5 engine).The one here is a 2.0.I can check on a Focus for the cam sensor.Actually..He should be looking for the crank sensor.The engine will still run without a cam sensor,but not without the crank sens.
Now if you have an extra person available + a voltmeter,you could unplug the crank sens. and tap the meter onto the sensor.Set meter to mv setting.Have someone crank the motor,and watch for consistant voltage spikes.An analog meter would be good for this. |
11-15-08, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sarges_heroes20 Finally some good news
vacuum pump? pressure reg.? err um Im getting lost here. | A handheld vacuum pump.Remove vac line from regulator,Attach a vac hose from vac pump to the regulator.Squeeze pump a few times to build vacuum.Now try starting it.Too little vacuum in the regulator and fuel pressure is very low.Which would indicate a faulty reg. Posted via Mobile Device |
11-15-08, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MustangLX-5.0 Turning over much faster than normal = Camshaft not rotating ..eg.timing belt.
Also,you can test pressure at the shrader valve but pressure will only be greatest for a second since the fuel pump isn't running.
These aren't the same engines that the Escape has.Escape has 2.3L (used to be 2.3..2009 haa new 2.5 engine).The one here is a 2.0.I can check on a Focus for the cam sensor.Actually..He should be looking for the crank sensor.The engine will still run without a cam sensor,but not without the crank sens.
Now if you have an extra person available + a voltmeter,you could unplug the crank sens. and tap the meter onto the sensor.Set meter to mv setting.Have someone crank the motor,and watch for consistant voltage spikes.An analog meter would be good for this. | See, my first thought was crank angle sensor which is very easy to swap and they are cheap. The problem was I could not find a part number so I figured for must of decided to use the cam angle sensor signal 
I just did one on a V-6 F series (I know, way different engine) and the truck ran, jast like crap. The sensor was completley broken off. Then I just did a cam angle on a KIA that would not even start with the bad sensor  |
11-15-08, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sphinx Cool but you still need to fix your ride. Answer these for me
1. fuel pressure, when you test at the shrader valve, does it just seep out or seem to be under pressure and want to spray everywhere? | it sprayed every where. Quote:
Originally Posted by sphinx 2. How much fuel is in the tank,was it empty when it died? | about 1/4 left Quote:
Originally Posted by sphinx 3. When you trying to start it does it seem to turn over faster and easier than normal? | turning over seems to be normal, though now the battery is getting low so its getting slower. |
11-15-08, 08:34 PM
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Looks like its time to go to walmart and get a multimeter and a spark plug. Use the spark plug first to see if you have spark then you'll need to meter to check voltages. As soon as I get my 3 year old to bed I'll send you a wiring diagram. |
11-15-08, 08:36 PM
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Gotta check for spark.Get that plastic cover off.Most of them just snap into place with maybe one or two screws holding it.
If you can at least verify the plugs are firing then you got that knocked off.So far..I'm thinking it's one of two different issues.Either your crank sensor bit it..or the coil pack did.Ahh...you got an extra plug wire laying around? (Or borrow a wire from another car that uses the same type of connector).If you do,unplug one of the wires on the coil pack and plug that new wire in.Put a long bolt or socket ext. in the boot and set it close to the block.......crank and have someone check for spark.
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11-15-08, 09:42 PM
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11-15-08, 09:55 PM
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moving to other auto tech..
We are going to need some basic info to help you..
1. what does it do with a good battery charge, crank normal? any noises?
2. what is the fuel pressure or do you have any pressure?
3. do you have spark?
4. any codes? |
11-15-08, 10:04 PM
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#1.it cranks but does not start. battery getting low.
#2.It has fuel pressure, squirted out from shrader valve.
#3. Don't know, only me here maybe dad will help with this.
#4. Don't know, but there should be a code or 2 on there. |
11-16-08, 10:15 AM
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