[Reimann]

I just love all these morons that think that Hamas should be able to fire rocket at Israeli civilians without repercussions.

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by Reimann

I just love all these morons that think that Hamas should be able to fire rocket at Israeli civilians without repercussions.

I don't see those who think that Israel should be allowed to kill as many civilians as they want as being any less moronic.

[GT40XStang9]

You sound like Wart. Are they targeting civilians? Is Hamas targeting civilians?

[90mustangGT]

Originally Posted by jikelly

I don't see those who think that Israel should be allowed to kill as many civilians as they want as being any less moronic.

Isreal does not target civilians. Hamas purposly aims at civilians. These are known facts. The problem is Hamas operates in the midst of the civilian population and uses them as cover. The "civilians" don't seem to mind. I guess durring WWII it was wrong to bomb germany because millions of civilians were killed? Right? We should have only killed the Nazi's, and left the Germans alone, they were innocent, Right?

What I am saying is the Germans were to the Nazi's what the Palistinians are to Hamas. The Nazi's were a German political party that acted, correct? Hamas is a Palistinian that acts in a military action, correct?

You know what I think alot of it is: The Isreali's are a white skin toned people, and the palistinians are brown in skin tone. It's wrong for any white race to even critisize or heven forbid do anything a brown race doesn't like. Maby it's just that the world hates Jews? Europe who is critisizing them now, did a good job trying to kill them all. Yeah.... it was just the Nazi's, right? Well, when Germany told the Jews to leaveor else, France, the other european nations refused to take them. The only country that accepted them was the US really, but of course they had to pass the basic qualifications, so we can't really brag there. Face it, nobody likes the Jews.

[Reimann]

Though it is not just the Arab world that is like this.

Originally Posted by jikelly

I don't see those who think that Israel should be allowed to kill as many civilians as they want as being any less moronic.

And how about thinking Hamas should be allowed to kill as many Israeli civilians as it wants? Remember, their shooting rockets into Israeli is what started this. Of course, you don't care about that. You only care about Muslim deaths. And saying Israel shouldn't go after Hamas because it hurts the Palestinian people is like saying the Allies shouldn't have gone after Nazis because it hurt the German people.

And I don't believe that Isael wants to kill any civilians. If they did they wouldn't have taken rocket strike from Hamas for three years before going back into Gaza. They tried everything they could to stop the rockets peacefully but the other side is just a bunch of blood thirsty barbarians who's only goal was to kill Jews. But you don't think anyone should be allowed to defend themselves. Maybe if someone punched you in the head a few times you'd change your mind about that.

[poboys 94]

January 5, 2009
Rationalizing Gaza
How they do it
by Justin Raimondo

We all know the rationalization for Israel's brutal invasion of the Gaza Strip. After all, it's been reiterated endlessly over the airwaves by official and unofficial spokesmen for the Israeli government, on all channels, and with no rebuttal or skeptical perspective from Palestinians or, indeed, from anyone vaguely sympathetic to their plight. Their argument goes like this: if rockets were coming from Mexican territory and landing in San Diego, posing a threat to the life and safety of American citizens, we all know what would happen.

This is supposed to settle the question of the morality of the invasion, but it doesn't. Because what we are seeing in this argument is a variation on the old cherry-picking technique of the neocons in the Bush administration, who utilized "talking points" that were very selective in their presentation of the facts to make the case for invading Iraq.

What the rationalizers leave out, of course, is the ongoing blockade of Gaza, imposed after Hamas took control in the wake of its overwhelming election victory – and an attempted (and partially successful) coup d'etat by the losers of that election, the Fatah organization of the late Yasser Arafat (now headed up by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas). The blockade itself was an act of war, by which the Israelis struck the first blow.

With this correction made, then, let's revisit – and reverse – the Israeli argument, putting all the known facts in their proper context. If Mexico – in an attempt to regain its lost territory, the promised land of California – invaded California, drove the residents of San Diego from their city, cooped them up in, say, Death Valley, and wouldn't let anything but a basic minimum of consumer goods and medical supplies either in or out, well, we all know what would happen.

I won't waste your time or mine complaining about the brazenly Israeli-centric news coverage of the invasion by the English-speaking media. It's a given, like the weather, or, more accurately, the phenomenon of global warming – a man-made disaster. In any case, what's interesting is how Western perceptions of the Palestinian leadership have evolved over time, always in perfect accordance with the talking points put out by the Israeli embassy.

In the beginning there was Arafat, the first Palestinian leader to come to public prominence in the U.S. and Western Europe, who long embodied the Palestinian cause. Seen through the eyes of Israel's amen corner, he was a perfect villain: a radical, a terrorist, and a vicious anti-Semite, whose name was generally associated with intransigence and violence. The Israelis drove him out of Palestine and pursued him into Lebanon and points beyond, yet he endured. Longevity elevated him to semi-statesman status, and his perseverance would have led to a two-state solution if the U.S. negotiating team hadn't taken their instructions from Tel Aviv. He refused to relegate his people to a collection of defenseless bantustans. Be that as it may, in the end the Israelis besieged the ailing symbol of Palestinian resistance, then gloated that he had died of AIDS, rather than an Israeli bullet in the back of the head.

Fatah, traditionally afforded the same treatment as Arafat, has now been rehabilitated in the eyes of the Western media. In vivid contrast to Arafat's day, today we are told that Fatah is the vessel of pro-Western moderation. Yesterday they were dangerous terrorists who could not be talked to, today they are the recipients of U.S. aid. Abbas has basically taken the position that Hamas provoked the attack by launching rocket attacks after the cease-fire ran out, a position that further erodes his tenuous support among the populace and gives Hamas plenty of ammunition for future political gains.

Hamas, like Fatah before it, is today depicted much as Fatah once was – an exemplar of violent intransigence, an enemy whose fanaticism precludes negotiations, the only difference being the religious element. Fatah was always secular, whereas Hamas wants to establish an Islamic state in what is now Israel and the West Bank. Like Hezbollah, Hamas runs a wide variety of social and humanitarian programs: compared to the notoriously corrupt Fatah, these guys seem like angels to the average Palestinian. When Fatah lost out to Hamas big-time – in elections touted by President Bush as a triumph of democracy – "President" Abbas simply annulled the results, expelled the elected Hamas representatives from the Palestinian parliament, and outlawed the organization. The Israelis took it from there, with the blockade.

The pattern here is clear enough: whenever someone is actually opposing Israeli military aggression, that person or group is automatically characterized as a villain, a fanatic, a terrorist whose existence cannot be tolerated. Having demonized Arafat and driven him to his death, now they push Fatah and go after Hamas. Whichever group is more effective in resisting the occupation is targeted for destruction.

The history of Hamas provides more than a few ironies: it was originally sponsored by the Israelis in the late 1970s as a way to undermine the Palestine Liberation Organization and Arafat's personal leadership. Citing several former and current CIA officers, UPI's Richard Sale reported the Israelis provided "direct aid," including funding, to Hamas at its inception.

Under the name Al-Mujamma al-Islami, Hamas was registered as a legal association in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. "According to U.S. administration officials," reports Sales, "funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel." It soon branched out from propaganda and social work. Aside from splintering the Palestinian movement for national self-determination, Israeli support for Hamas was designed to keep tabs on militants considered dangerous by the Israelis. What happened, instead, was that spies and collaborators were caught and shot by the very effective Hamas counter-intelligence unit. This Frankenstein monster, rising to take the place of the PLO as the instrument of Palestinian rage, turned on its creator.

Hamas is the enemy Israel deserves, and nothing proves this more than the current bloody operation, which is inflicting heavy casualties on the Palestinians. A full 30 percent of the killed and injured are children.

The Israeli blitz demonstrates a new moral principle in action, one that stands the old Catholic just war theory on its head by establishing the concept of disproportionality. Whereas the old just war theorists insisted that responses to aggression must be proportionate to the provocation, this new theory – let's call it the Luciferian theory – holds just the opposite: that an overreaction is mandated in order to strike fear and awe into the enemy. This will supposedly deter them from stepping out of line in the future.

We saw this Bizarro World morality applied in Lebanon in 2006, when Israel invaded the country, killed over 1,000, mostly civilians, and devastated civilian targets, including hospitals and water plants – all because Hezbollah had kidnapped a few of their soldiers. Now Israeli government officials are claiming that because the Palestinians insist on fighting back and firing missiles as deep into Israel as Beersheba, this places a million Israelis in mortal danger, and therefore anything and everything is justified in "self-defense."

This mutant morality was prefigured by the Bushian theory of preemption, which arrogates to the U.S. the right to attack any nation on earth, based on the possibility that someone somewhere is plotting to do us harm, and it will now be upheld (or, at least, not contested) by the Obama administration. This war is sending a message not only to the Palestinians, but to the Americans: the Israelis are telling us that they, too, claim the "right" to preemptively go after their avowed enemies, at least in their own regional sandbox, without having to justify it in a way any normal code of morality or international law would condone.

The two most destructive and objectively anti-American forces in the Middle East – al-Qaeda affiliates and the Israelis – benefit the most from this fresh outbreak of a festering conflict, and the losers are the Palestinians and the American people, with the former enduring the slaughter and the latter paying for it.

We will pay for it not only in billions of our tax dollars, but in terms of the hate-America factor, which will skyrocket on the Arab "street" and inspire many to take up arms against us. These are prime recruits for the jihadists such as bin Laden, whose ultimate target is the continental United States. At the rate we are going, we'll have to close off the country entirely in order to keep out enemies both numerous and determined. In the end, however, nothing will protect us against the relatives and loved ones of the innocents Israel has slaughtered, with our help and full approval.
~ Justin Raimon
Rationalizing Gaza- by Justin Raimondo


Now what if an occupying force were to take over your country.
Just look at the map.
The shrinking map of Palestine | Sabbah

[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by Reimann

And how about thinking Hamas should be allowed to kill as many Israeli civilians as it wants? Remember, their shooting rockets into Israeli is what started this. Of course, you don't care about that. You only care about Muslim deaths. And saying Israel shouldn't go after Hamas because it hurts the Palestinian people is like saying the Allies shouldn't have gone after Nazis because it hurt the German people.

Since you mentioned the Nazi party...

RonRosenbaum.com Some Differences Between Hamas and the Nazi Party

[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Now what if an occupying force were to take over your country.
Just look at the map.
The shrinking map of Palestine | Sabbah

Why is the West Bank on the east side?

[T1 3VOM]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

[B]
January 5, 2009
Rationalizing Gaza
How they do it
by Justin Raimondo

...
Hamas, like Fatah before it, is today depicted much as Fatah once was – an exemplar of violent intransigence, an enemy whose fanaticism precludes negotiations, the only difference being the religious element. Fatah was always secular, whereas Hamas wants to establish an Islamic state in what is now Israel and the West Bank. Like Hezbollah, Hamas runs a wide variety of social and humanitarian programs: compared to the notoriously corrupt Fatah, these guys seem like angels to the average Palestinian. When Fatah lost out to Hamas big-time – in elections touted by President Bush as a triumph of democracy – "President" Abbas simply annulled the results, expelled the elected Hamas representatives from the Palestinian parliament, and outlawed the organization. The Israelis took it from there, with the blockade...

It seems to me, that in the article you've posted, you've quoted exactly what we (the dirty Zionists) been saying all along. You say that Hammas wants to take Israel and make and Islamic state. Well, shucky darn, is that it?? What the hell is Israel's problem?

Can anyone really blame Israel for creating a blockade between themselves and the people who want to take their country? I don't mean to sound condescending... forgive me if I'm coming off that way.

[302RollinHard]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Now what if an occupying force were to take over your country.

Build a border fence in TX, NM, AZ and CA???

EDIT:

Or better yet give them (the occupying force) unfettered access to your social services paid for by the taxpayers of said country and don't make the occupiers pay taxes. Serve them into submission, if you will. It might just work.

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by 90mustangGT

Isreal does not target civilians. Hamas purposly aims at civilians. These are known facts. The problem is Hamas operates in the midst of the civilian population and uses them as cover. The "civilians" don't seem to mind. I guess durring WWII it was wrong to bomb germany because millions of civilians were killed? Right? We should have only killed the Nazi's, and left the Germans alone, they were innocent, Right?

What I am saying is the Germans were to the Nazi's what the Palistinians are to Hamas. The Nazi's were a German political party that acted, correct? Hamas is a Palistinian that acts in a military action, correct?

You know what I think alot of it is: The Isreali's are a white skin toned people, and the palistinians are brown in skin tone. It's wrong for any white race to even critisize or heven forbid do anything a brown race doesn't like. Maby it's just that the world hates Jews? Europe who is critisizing them now, did a good job trying to kill them all. Yeah.... it was just the Nazi's, right? Well, when Germany told the Jews to leaveor else, France, the other european nations refused to take them. The only country that accepted them was the US really, but of course they had to pass the basic qualifications, so we can't really brag there. Face it, nobody likes the Jews.

You lost me when you boiled it down to a skin color thing.

Are you saying Israel has never targeted civilians? Does it not count as a civilain target if a suspected terrorist is nearby?

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[jstreet0204]

Originally Posted by GT40XStang9

Why is the West Bank on the east side?

Because it is the bank on the West side of the River Jordon.

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by Reimann

. Maybe if someone punched you in the head a few times you'd change your mind about that.

I't probably just make me sillier than I is now.

You make valid points. Maybe Isreal should just go in and remove evryone in the regions arms. No arms no rocket attacks right?

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[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by jstreet0204

Because it is the bank on the West side of the River Jordon.

Ah yes.

[90mustangGT]

Originally Posted by jikelly

You lost me when you boiled it down to a skin color thing.

Are you saying Israel has never targeted civilians? Does it not count as a civilain target if a suspected terrorist is nearby?

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Well, I do think that plays a role, I really do. Not even half, but it plays a role.

No, Isreal doesn't target civilians. The tough part about it is that it's hard to distinguish military from civilian there. I worked with a guy that was from Isreal. He told me about going into the palistinian areas the get someoene for an attack. A woman would hold a baby in her arms and throw rocks at them, then when they went to search a suspected area, there would be RPG's next to the baby's crib. I've also talke to many vets of the Iraq/Afghanastan war who say the same that goes on in there. See, most of the Palistinians are helping Hamas, that's how they operated. ANYONE who takes part in the war effort is not a innocent civilian. The Palistinians support hamas and hezbollah, they supported the wrong group.

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by T1 3VOM

It seems to me, that in the article you've posted, you've quoted exactly what we (the dirty Zionists) been saying all along. You say that Hammas wants to take Israel and make and Islamic state. Well, shucky darn, is that it?? What the hell is Israel's problem?

Can anyone really blame Israel for creating a blockade between themselves and the people who want to take their country? I don't mean to sound condescending... forgive me if I'm coming off that way.

That will never happen IMO, however there is a need to co-exist and if somehow, someway, true and earnest negotiations can be conducted, with the world officially recognizing a country of Palestine and , Israel then all of the bravado talk by Hamas calling for the replacement/destruction of Israel will have to be eliminated from its charter. These people consider their land to have been stolen, and they figure they are slowly being massacred,
they have seen their families killed, starved, denied medical treatment etc. If I were to be treated this way I too would swear to destroy my enemy. The maps I posted surprised me as to just how much land Israel has repeatedly taken. It is an extermination of the Palestinian people. There must be a give and take atmosphere in order for a real peace to occur, not a genocide and brutal occupation
and prison camp environment. What does the world expect these
people to do? Israel has been occupying the West Bank since 1967
and not complying with UN resolution 242 calling for a withdrawal.
That is only one of many UN resolutions it ignores. And our government appeases this action. There is too much ignorance of the situation by our citizenry with the massive media spin, Israel controls what you and I see and hear. We must look beyond this
to get a real account of the truth about the situation.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...G0zbjQDg&hl=en

[sarges_heroes20]

Poboys 94: U forget that israelis purchased the land from there lawfull owners. then when there neaghbors decided they did not like them, all this terrorist crap started up. Then Israelis fired back. Then every time this thing cycled people (gov. leaders) started to see what they would need to do to put a stop to this, and it was a place they do not wish to go. It is to horrifying to be considered so they shake there heads and make them selves believe that the palistinians can be negotiated with.
Palistinians do not think as highly of human life as "we" do. so they now r (IMO) in the middle of some kind of "how far can I push these idiots?" kind of thing. this is funny to them. they r really fighting some religious epic battle and epic failing at it, but chose to remember it differently. As them selves as victors.

This will only stop when the arab countrys are nucked. simply nuke all arab cities and be done with it. thats the only way to cleanly put a stop to all this stupidity.

IMO: if some one were to break into your house w/ gun an start shooting at u & family. then u had a gun and shot back. at first all ur neaghbors thought it was ok. then the guy comes back does the same thing again, gets shot.
Then ur neaghbors say ur slaying of him is "excessive" and u need to withdraw. so u relent and give him ur front room. he takes up residence then starts to kick in ur bedroom door and shooting begins. u return fire and are called "excessive" it is an "Outrage" and demands are made of you but none of the intruder.

people we dont treat crimes like this. we track down the criminals, run them down. trial them, convict them, then lock them away for good. and even that is a little weak IMO.

If we (the international comunity) did that to all criminals (hezbola, alquada sp.,etc.) then there would be no ****ing around about it. dont u think??

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by sarges_heroes20

Poboys 94: U forget that israelis purchased the land from there lawfull owners. then when there neaghbors decided they did not like them, all this terrorist crap started up. Then Israelis fired back. Then every time this thing cycled people (gov. leaders) started to see what they would need to do to put a stop to this, and it was a place they do not wish to go. It is to horrifying to be considered so they shake there heads and make them selves believe that the palistinians can be negotiated with.
Palistinians do not think as highly of human life as "we" do. so they now r (IMO) in the middle of some kind of "how far can I push these idiots?" kind of thing. this is funny to them. they r really fighting some religious epic battle and epic failing at it, but chose to remember it differently. As them selves as victors.

This will only stop when the arab countrys are nucked. simply nuke all arab cities and be done with it. thats the only way to cleanly put a stop to all this stupidity.

IMO: if some one were to break into your house w/ gun an start shooting at u & family. then u had a gun and shot back. at first all ur neaghbors thought it was ok. then the guy comes back does the same thing again, gets shot.
Then ur neaghbors say ur slaying of him is "excessive" and u need to withdraw. so u relent and give him ur front room. he takes up residence then starts to kick in ur bedroom door and shooting begins. u return fire and are called "excessive" it is an "Outrage" and demands are made of you but none of the intruder.

people we dont treat crimes like this. we track down the criminals, run them down. trial them, convict them, then lock them away for good. and even that is a little weak IMO.

If we (the international comunity) did that to all criminals (hezbola, alquada sp.,etc.) then there would be no ****ing around about it. dont u think??

Purchase land? Link me to that please.
I do not wish to be disrespectful to you for I do not know you. But
just who in your opinion are the ****ing criminals here? Being killed
and watching their family killed is ****ing funny to them?
I can't believe WTF I just read So if
Israel, comes to your house, knocks it down against international law, beats your wife, kills your kids, denies your mother medical attention
because she dies waiting, because you can't produce the required papers, to cross THEIR illegal border, on YOUR land. They have the green lawn, but you are denied water rights
just to give your family water to drink? And your OK with that?
WTF?? They are the TERRORISTS?
I have just finished watching the film I posted for the 2nd time.
I watched it by myself the first time, but invited my family to watch it with me the 2nd time. I do not want them to be ignorant of what is going on in this world, and I may not live long enough to provide rebuttal to the that is shown on MSM to them daily. All I know is that we as a nation that swears allegiance to our flag and what it is SUPPOSED to STAND FOR, under GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, have been lulled to sleep, and ed to.
We don't know chit, about what is really going on outside our daily lifes struggle. I have my beliefs, and they have been created and solidified by the events that have taken place in my lifetime. But,
what I once thought was word, has been proven wrong, there are now serious questions in place where I was taught the answers were. Who I thought I could trust, I no longer can. The teachings of my religion
have been infiltrated by lies and go against what my personal savior has told me to believe. So I search and ask who has been responsible for the deceit.
It was me. It was my own ignorance and my willingness to be comforted by what I was told, I deceived myself, and I fell for so much crap. We try to reconcile, as you have, to place ourselves in a situation, like you did, ala a home invasion, but there is no way we can. It is not the same thing.
I don't believe the **** that gets spit out about this situation, especially from my own country, because there are peoples in power and whose interest depend on what me and my government think, that make it totally lopsided towards their view.
It is WRONG what is being done to the Palestinian peoples, in my name as a US citizen, with my ****ing tax dollars, and I'm tired of the . Again , if my country were to be invaded by an occupying force, that killed my FELLOW AMERICANS, I would not stand for it.
How can you say the Palestinians don't value life, as WE do?
It is WE who do not value THEIR lives, because WE have been CONDITIONED not to.
hEyOkA mAgAzInE

YouTube - Israeli atrocities in palestine-MUST WATCH- part6

Dailymotion - Palestine RIP, a video from Nejmano. palestine, gaza, holocauste, génocide, finale

LIFE IN GAZA TODAY….. GETTING WORSE BY THE MINUTE Desertpeace

NDTV.com: Israel targets children in Gaza

'The injured were lying there asking God to let them die' | World news | The Guardian

YouTube - Israeli atrocities in palestine-MUST WATCH- part3

Medical Officials: Gaza has Run Out of Medicine :: www.uruknet.info :: informazione dall'Iraq occupato :: news from occupied Iraq :: - it

Lights Out in Gaza, News Blackout in US | CommonDreams.org

...: Gaza in crisis: Israel turns away UN food convoy at border; blackouts as power plant shuts down

And yes of course let's just nuke them all, nuke and kill, and pillage
and steal, and rape all of humanity, and **** them all-that is the answer? You sound like a
goddamned serial mass murderer dude. No empathy, or sympathy
for human life.

[T1 3VOM]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Purchase land? Link me to that please..

I've never heard of the purchasing of land either. I have however, seen the exact same maps that you posted, except that the explanations that went along with them were different. At the end of World War 2, the allies created two different countries, one Jewish and one Palestinian, and knowing the chit storm that would create, immediately withdrew. The Islamic nations knew that the English were withdrawing and waited until they were gone for a coordinated attack. Israel should not have made 24 hours into their existance, but they fought off the attack, and actually gained land. This is not Israeli propaganda. This is a fact, that was backed up by the attacking nations bragging that they would wipe Israel off the map in the first days of its existence.

The other things on your map have also been explained as attempts to attack Israel that resulted in a loss of Palestinian held land.

You say that we believe whatever the media feeds us. I could say the same about you with your willingness to accept anything that you read on the internet that supports your veiws.

Edit: By the way, I completely agree with you that it is an unacceptable suggestion to, "nuke all arab nations." It makes me sick when I hear other "conservatives" spout off this nonsense. It seems like they heard some radio talk show host say it, and riding on his emotions they keep spreading it. While I don't think we will ever change the way the Middle East works or thinks, we cannot stop trying and we certainly cannot resort to anihilation.

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by sarges_heroes20

This will only stop when the arab countrys are nucked. simply nuke all arab cities and be done with it. thats the only way to cleanly put a stop to all this stupidity.

Sure that would eliviate some of the tension, but no, that option is not on the table.

[Strype]

Seperatism.

Coexistance is just like so many other idealistic thoughts. One thing that has kept the United States free from so many problems is separatism. Though we are united under one federation, the idea from the get go was separatism.

We are very lucky here, as in Canada and the UK we have different sections of the country that have different ideals, different cultures, different races, different religions, etc. All are given an equal say (sort of) as to what goes on in the national level.

Take Utah for instance. Mormon state. Take New Mexico, California, the cluster of Southern states. Take the New England states. All are VERY different when it comes to comparison with the rest of the population. What keeps our differences in check is the fact that we know we have the power to change the central government around in 4 years. We know that no matter what the federal gov't does, we are still entitled to many individual freedoms that are constitutionally left to the individual states.


Now that being said,


Isreal and Gaza. Here in the US we don't have a large population of Islamic people gathered in one place. We do have many Jewish people gathered in places like New York, but they are scattered about with many Christians and non believers. The idea of "Believe like me or I will kill you for Allah" is nonexistant here. The Jewish religion and the Christian religions are at least in modern times, somewhat peaceful. There is no Jewish state in the US sitting next to a Christian state.

There are only 2 ways to end the Gaza conflict, and neither are going to end the dispute for any length of time.

1) Exodus of the Palestinians. Kill the Palestinians that stay.

2) Hand over Gaza to the Palestinians free of any strings.

If there is an exodus and mass killing, the surrounding states will eventually retaliate. The new USSR will get involved as will the United States and all hell will break loose.

If there is an unconditional give away of the land, it will set a presidence across the world that Isreal is weak. That would be fine if it were not surrounded by land thirsty Islamic conquerors who would jump at the chance to take their holy city back. Again the Russia jumps in, America jumps in and all hell breaks loose.





This will not stop until one of the races is stamped out or at least quieted. This is not some "let's all get along and understand our differences" after school special. This is a religous war. This is a realistic war with no realistic solutions other than to shut the other side down.

You may start to get a perspective of WWII now. Religous genocide. A dictator who was bent on world dominence. The United States and Britain (and others) shut the other side of the world completely up. We bitch smacked Japan and Germany and Italy. Now the world needs another bitch slap.

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by T1 3VOM

....You say that we believe whatever the media feeds us. I could say the same about you with your willingness to accept anything that you read on the internet that supports your veiws.

I was trying to point out that the MSMs reporting is slanted towards the Israeli view.
In order to get more balanced coverage of events it is necessary to go else where to obtain the news. Here's further proof of that-
YouTube - Israel censors the Media: What have they got to hide?
The film I posted really deals with the MSM medias reporting, or lack of it, check it out
Wow and just reported -Israel bombs a UN school, kills 40 kids This is madness, yeah Gods chosen people at work. They take their marching orders from a different God then mine.
'40 killed at UN school' in Gaza - Middle East, World - The Independent

[GT40XStang9]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Wow and just reported -Israel bombs a UN school, kills 40 kids This is madness, yeah Gods chosen people at work. They take their marching orders from a different God then mine.
'40 killed at UN school' in Gaza - Middle East, World - The Independent

http://israelisoldiersmother.blogspo...they-show.html

Read the comments for proof of mortars being fired from the UN school.

1. Palestinians decided to use the United Nations school as a launching base to attack innocent civilians. This wasn't the first time they had used the school. Months ago, Israel filed a formal complaint to the United Nations. Clearly, nothing was done to stop this abuse and so we come to reason # 2.

2. The United Nations did not stop the Palestinians from using their area. One might argue that they could not stop them - and the answer, the simple answer was that they should then have made it clear, publicly, that they could not offer a place of refuge in a firing range. They should not have allowed families to take refuge in such a place. And that brings me to # 3.

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by Strype

Seperatism.



This will not stop until one of the races is stamped out or at least quieted. This is not some "let's all get along and understand our differences" after school special. This is a religous war. This is a realistic war with no realistic solutions other than to shut the other side down.

Aren't they the same race? Aren't Islam and Judaism related? The two religions have a number of similarities and a shared history. They are fighting over the same holy land. Really it's silliness. Stupid religions.

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Originally Posted by poboys 94

Wow and just reported -Israel bombs a UN school, kills 40 kids This is madness, yeah Gods chosen people at work. They take their marching orders from a different God then mine.

The funny part is that you complain about media being biased in favor of Israel, however your article states nothing about mortars being fired from the school.

Originally Posted by jikelly

Aren't Islam and Judaism related?

If they're related, so is Christian and Judaism as well as Christian and Islam.