[Ike83]

Originally Posted by Reimann

You know absolutely none of that is going to convince anyone of anything? We give Egypt billions of dollars, treaties are meaningless unless you follow them, Pakistan and India has nukes, Iran is trying for nukes, and no one but conspiracy nutts is going to care about a friendly fire incident 42 years ago. The rest of your stuff is either irrelivant and or probably doesn't have any reliable sources. Your quoting families of suicide bombers is a real turn off.

And FYI, the way you post is just obnoxious. Try to shorten the message to a few meaningful paragraphs, don't quote people we don't know, don't cite obviously bias sources, and for the love of god quit bolding half the @#$&ing message. Seriously, it makes it hard to read.

Oh, and if you don't like Israeli not letting Muslims drive on some roads (and I have no verification that is even true) I'm sure you'll hate that Saudi Arabia kills any non-Muslim that enters Mecca.

QFTMFT!

I couldn't have said that any better myself Reimann.

That bolding every other word nonsense, combined with the ROUTINE use of historical falacies (like the one about how Hamas has never used anyone as a "human shield") is enough to turn one's interest in conversing with him off for good.

Just remember, every piece of media you can get your hands on, is just another piece of information that the government has "chosen" for you to read from. Everything is controlled by Israel, and the global elitists who WANT you to believe that a man who sends his own son on a suicide mission, is a "bad" man.

But the REAL "truth-seekers" out there (like poboys) know that this isn't the case. No no. They're not going to be fooled THAT easily.

They've already unveiled the "truth". And the "truth", is that EVERYBODY has been deceived. EVERYBODY is misguided. ALL the news outlets are rigged in favor of the Jews (even though our national media outlets CONSISTENTLY slam Israel ).

And the only REAL source of information can ONLY be found in the bold-print paragraphs of a man who habitually quotes the phrases of individuals I've never heard of, and could probably completely discredit if I decided to allocate enough time to do so. But the way I figure it, I've already done enough of that already. It's somebody else's turn at this point...

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Reimann

You know absolutely none of that is going to convince anyone of anything?

Hopefully folks have at least looked into the situation and gained some knowledge of it, I know I have.

We give Egypt billions of dollars,...

FYI, Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries.

and no one but conspiracy nutts is going to care about a friendly fire incident 42 years ago.

If you're an American you should be concerned about the Liberty,
Have you even read any of the first hand accounts of that attack by
servicemen on the vessel? Probably not, it's irrelevant to you.

And FYI, the way you post is just obnoxious. Try to shorten the message to a few meaningful paragraphs, don't quote people we don't know, don't cite obviously bias sources, and for the love of god quit bolding half the @#$&ing message. Seriously, it makes it hard to read.

Boo fking hoo I try to be considerate and bolden stuff that I'm quoting, but you want to attack me for it And bias sources? I've tried to quote all kinds of sources and gather info from all over the place, sounds like
your upset those sources are right in most cases.

Oh, and if you don't like Israeli not letting Muslims drive on some roads (and I have no verification that is even true) I'm sure you'll hate that Saudi Arabia kills any non-Muslim that enters Mecca.

You have no verification it is even true because
you don't bother to look it up
"..By now they have requisitioned further lands for the purpose of constructing "Jewish only" roads. Wonderful roads, wide roads, well-paved roads, brightly lit at night--all that on stolen land. When a Palestinian drives on such a road, his vehicle is confiscated and he is sent on his way.

On one occasion I witnessed such an encounter between a driver and a soldier who was taking down the details before confiscating the vehicle and sending its owner away. "Why?" I asked the soldier. "It's an order--this is a Jews-only road", he replied. I inquired as to where was the sign indicating this fact and instructing [other] drivers not to use it. His answer was nothing short of amazing. "It is his responsibility to know it, and besides, what do you want us to do, put up a sign here and let some antisemitic reporter or journalist take a photo so he that can show the world that Apartheid exists here?"
Shulamit Aloni: Yes, There is Apartheid in Israel

Israel doesn't let any non Israeli drive on certain roads, Christian, Muslim doesn't matter. And I wouldn't want to travel to Saudi. Islam dominates all aspects of life in Saudi Arabia — government policy, cultural norms, and social behavior. Islam is the only official religion of the country, and public observance of any other religion is forbidden. The Saudi government considers it a sacred duty to safeguard two of the greatest shrines of Islam, the holy mosques located in the cities of Mecca and Medina. Travel to Mecca and Medina is forbidden to non-Muslims.
In addition, in more conservative areas, there have been incidents of private Saudi citizens stoning, accosting, or pursuing foreigners, including U.S. citizens, for perceived dress code or other infractions. While most such incidents have resulted in little more than inconvenience or embarrassment for the individual targeted, there have been incidents where Westerners were physically harmed.
Maybe we shouldn't let them over here either.
But yet The US kisses their asses because of the oil, and the 19 hijackers were said to be Saudi citizens



Pretty sad when you have to attack the way someone posts
when you run out I'm done here, It's been interesting and I learned a lot, and continue to do so. I thank God I have an open mind. My thanks to everyone who replied and posted.
Peace out

[Reimann]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

If you're an American you should be concerned about the Liberty,
Have you even read any of the first hand accounts of that attack by
servicemen on the vessel? Probably not, it's irrelevant to you.

If it happens today, I'll care. 42 years ago, not so much.

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Boo fking hoo I try to be considerate and bolden stuff that I'm quoting, but you want to attack me for it And bias sources? I've tried to quote all kinds of sources and gather info from all over the place, sounds like
your upset those sources are right in most cases.

You considered that to be an attack? You have no idea what it means to be attacked. Quit trying to play the victim and yes, your bolding everything is obnoxious. At least your not typing with your caps lock on.

Originally Posted by poboys 94

You have no verification it is even true because
you don't bother to look it up

Look it up where? Most of this **** is just posted on fruit cake websites with no validity. No reputable site has anything on it.

Originally Posted by poboys 94

On one occasion I witnessed such an encounter between a driver and a soldier who was taking down the details before confiscating the vehicle and sending its owner away. "Why?" I asked the soldier. "It's an order--this is a Jews-only road", he replied. I inquired as to where was the sign indicating this fact and instructing [other] drivers not to use it. His answer was nothing short of amazing. "It is his responsibility to know it, and besides, what do you want us to do, put up a sign here and let some antisemitic reporter or journalist take a photo so he that can show the world that Apartheid exists here?"[/B]
Shulamit Aloni: Yes, There is Apartheid in Israel

You consider CounterPunch to be a reliable news source? They describe themselves as "muckraking with a radical attitude." They are not even trying to be objective and clearly state it. If you want to use a reference at least use something that pretends to be objective.

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Israel doesn't let any non Israeli drive on certain roads, Christian, Muslim doesn't matter.

Oh the Huge Manatee!! You still didn't post anything to back your claim up and even if it is true who the @#$& cares?

Originally Posted by poboys 94

I thank God I have an open mind.

Yeah, it was left open after the lobotomy!

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Reimann

If it happens today, I'll care. 42 years ago, not so much.


Oh the Huge Manatee!! You still didn't post anything to back your claim up and even if it is true who the @#$& cares?



Yeah, it was left open after the lobotomy!

Lobotomy-"..... A large proportion of such lobotomized patients exhibited reduced tension or agitation, but many also showed such effects as apathy, passivity, lack of initiative, poor ability to concentrate, and a generally decreased depth and intensity of their emotional response to life." Wow sounds like you dude!

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Ike83

QFTMFT!


Just remember, every piece of media you can get your hands on, is just another piece of information that the government has "chosen" for you to read from. Everything is controlled by Israel, and the global elitists who WANT you to believe that a man who sends his own son on a suicide mission, is a "bad" man.

But the REAL "truth-seekers" out there (like poboys) know that this isn't the case. No no. They're not going to be fooled THAT easily.

They've already unveiled the "truth". And the "truth", is that EVERYBODY has been deceived. EVERYBODY is misguided. ALL the news outlets are rigged in favor of the Jews (even though our national media outlets CONSISTENTLY slam Israel ).

And the only REAL source of information can ONLY be found in the bold-print paragraphs of a man who habitually quotes the phrases of individuals I've never heard of, and could probably completely discredit if I decided to allocate enough time to do so. But the way I figure it, I've already done enough of that already. It's somebody else's turn at this point...

Yeah right I've only posted lies and historical fallacies. Maybe you will believe this then since it comes from CNN, and an Israeli government officials own mouth. But you'll probably use the excuse that you never heard of CNN The necessary information was stated and agreed to, that NO ROCKETS were fired by Hamas.
These videos are about the ceasefire and who really broke it.
YouTube - Israel admits: "No Hamas rockets were fired during ceasefire"
YouTube - CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First

[Wart]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Yeah right I've only posted lies and historical fallacies. Maybe you will believe this then since it comes from CNN, and an Israeli government officials own mouth. But you'll probably use the excuse that you never heard of CNN

No, He'll call it the Communist News Network, and pat himself on the back for being so witty and for having proven you wrong.



Poboys, you and I understand that Israel stepped over the line a long time ago. But now they shelled people taking refuge in the UN compound with phosphorous, only a sick son of a bitch would do something so heinous, and only the sick and demented could continue making excuses and blindly support Israel after such an act.

And still there are excuses made and blind support offered ...

[Reimann]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

I know you are but what am I?!

Wonderful come back dude. You still don't post any reputable sources to back up your BS.

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Reimann

Wonderful come back dude. You still don't post any reputable sources to back up your BS.

Wasn't it though? Look I've posted all sorts of links , from Israeli newspapers, to Palestinian leaders, from CNN, to the BBC, if you're too lazy to look **** up for yourself then the only reason you come here to post, is to contribute some lame cartoons and cry about how annoying
my posts are in bold. GET A LIFE!

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Wart

No, He'll call it the Communist News Network, and pat himself on the back for being so witty and for having proven you wrong.



Poboys, you and I understand that Israel stepped over the line a long time ago. But now they shelled people taking refuge in the UN compound with phosphorous, only a sick son of a bitch would do something so heinous, and only the sick and demented could continue making excuses and blindly support Israel after such an act.

And still there are excuses made and blind support offered ...

I agree with you 100%. Despite the fact a lot of what they claim has been discredited and most of the world and the UN condemning these actions, it's like talking to a brick wall.

[Reimann]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

Wasn't it though? Look I've posted all sorts of links , from Israeli newspapers, to Palestinian leaders, from CNN, to the BBC, if you're too lazy to look **** up for yourself then the only reason you come here to post, is to contribute some lame cartoons and cry about how annoying
my posts are in bold. GET A LIFE!

I don't consider news sites controlled by Muslim governments, conspiracy theory sites, radical extremist sites, and the family of suicide bombers to be credible news sources. Most of it is hate speech and bigotry. You're practically saying, "Hamas is in the right because it and its friends say so!" And posting smack in large red text doesn't validate you. It just makes you look like a small person desperately trying to defend their nonsense.

[Ike83]

I tell ya what.

Hey Wart and poboys, how about we do it like this:

You guys just go ahead and continue rooting for the Osama bin Ladens, the Saddam Husseins, the Mahmoud Ahmadinejads, and ALL the other radical nutcases in the world (like the Hamas militants) who wish to strap a bomb to their kids' chests, and send them out on suicide missions to kill innocent people...

...while the REST of us (sane people) will simply root for the other guys. K?

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Ike83

I tell ya what.

Hey Wart and poboys, how about we do it like this:

You guys just go ahead and continue rooting for the Osama bin Ladens, the Saddam Husseins, the Mahmoud Ahmadinejads, and ALL the other radical nutcases in the world (like the Hamas militants) who wish to strap a bomb to their kids' chests, and send them out on suicide missions to kill innocent people...

...while the REST of us (sane people) will simply root for the other guys. K?

You truly are a waste of time. Everything I post,
to discredit your insane Christian Zionist views you take and twist
and distort because that is how you justify your views.
It's people like you that have been urging on terrorism, by supporting
Zionist policies.
You don't have a clue about how important it is to know who you actually side with. You side with an enemy of the US, and you don't even know it, and are too stubborn to even ponder the possibilities.
Because IKE could never be wrong, no way because everybody Ike
knows TELLS him Zionism is good for America. Let's ignore people
who mean you no harm and actually have a love for America, and try to get you to view the world in a different perspective. Lets just bash them for their views and complain about the way they post
that will make you right.
Never mind what your conscience might tell be telling you, never mind that scholars and intellects around the world have studied the Zionist propaganda and the UN resolutions that are ignored by Israel
and so on and so on.. There are 2 reasons for being so closed mindedness-stubborn or willful ignorance, or just plain cowardice.
You probably don't even know that the Talmud, the book most Jews are taught and revere, is racist against Christians. You probably
never heard that in that book of Jewish laws, they call YOUR savior
ILLEGITIMATE AND CONCEIVED DURING MENSTRUATION
he is called a FOOL and INSANE an IDOLATER
BURIED IN HELL

The book Zohar, III, (282), tells us that Jesus died like a beast and was buried in that "dirt heap...where they throw the dead bodies of dogs and asses, and where the sons of Esau [the Christians] and of Ismael [the Turks], also Jesus and Mahommed, uncircumcized and unclean like dead dogs, are buried."(25)
I could go on it is a waste of time. Like I said before you might as well convert to Talmudism.
And just because people have sympathy for the Palestinians,
doesn't give you the right to label them terrorist sympathizers. I have stated many times the contrary, and you refuse to acknowledge it.
So which is it, are you just willfully ignorant or are you scared?
~Talmud Unmasked~ The Life of Christ/The Christian Cross.

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Ike83

I tell ya what.

Hey Wart and poboys, how about we do it like this:

You guys just go ahead and continue rooting for the Osama bin Ladens, the Saddam Husseins, the Mahmoud Ahmadinejads, and ALL the other radical nutcases in the world (like the Hamas militants) who wish to strap a bomb to their kids' chests, and send them out on suicide missions to kill innocent people...

...while the REST of us (sane people) will simply root for the other guys. K?

This seems soo hopeless. Everything I post, to discredit your insane Christian Zionist views you take and twist
and distort because that is how you justify your views.
It's people like you that have been urging on terrorism, by supporting
Zionist policies.
You don't have a clue about how important it is to know who you actually side with. You side with an enemy of the US, and you don't even know it, and are too stubborn to even ponder the possibilities.
Because IKE could never be wrong, no way because everybody Ike
knows TELLS him Zionism is good for America. Let's ignore people
who mean you no harm and actually have a love for America, and try to get you to view the world in a different perspective. Lets just bash them for their views and complain about the way they post
that will make you right.
Never mind what your conscience might tell be telling you, never mind that scholars and intellects around the world have studied the Zionist propaganda and the UN resolutions that are ignored by Israel
and so on and so on.. There are 2 reasons for being so closed mindedness-stubborn or willful ignorance, or just plain cowardice.
You probably don't even know that the Talmud, the book most Jews are taught and revere, is racist against Christians. You probably
never heard that in that book of Jewish laws, they call YOUR savior
ILLEGITIMATE AND CONCEIVED DURING MENSTRUATION
he is called a FOOL and INSANE an IDOLATER
BURIED IN HELL

The book Zohar, III, (282), tells us that Jesus died like a beast and was buried in that "dirt heap...where they throw the dead bodies of dogs and asses, and where the sons of Esau [the Christians] and of Ismael [the Turks], also Jesus and Mahommed, uncircumcized and unclean like dead dogs, are buried."(25)
I am probably wasing my time again. Like I said before you might as well convert to Talmudism.
And just because people have sympathy for the Palestinians,
doesn't give you the right to label them terrorist sympathizers. I have stated many times the contrary, and you refuse to acknowledge it.
So which is it, are you just willfully ignorant or are you scared? Me,
I will admit I am a bit scared to find out just how much I was deceived, as well as my friends and family. But I would rather know
then not know.
I am not trying to get you to be on the "terrorist side" I am just trying to get a young brother to see S#IT from all angles man!

~Talmud Unmasked~ The Life of Christ/The Christian Cross.

[poboys 94]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Ike83

I tell ya what.

...while the REST of us (sane people) will simply root for the other guys. K?

To those who support Israel's Zionist lies of entitlement and self-justification, I have only one question for you.
How would you feel if you were a Palestinian? Answer the question. How would you feel if the tables were turned?
How would you feel having the might and power of Israel's military, the third largest military in the world, coming down with full force on your unarmed family?
Would you stand there and passively die for your aggressors?
Would you grovel on your knees to them and beg to be their slaves? That is doubtful. Please, spare us your inane words of support for the insupportable. There is no excuse for what is being done by Zionist murderers to innocent people.
And if you cannot put yourself in Palestine's place, the place of those under attack, the place of those innocents being killed, then you cannot claim to be objective or concerned with your own self honesty.
If that is the case then you are dishonest and crippled inside, and you are simply and completely wrong.


Israel is led by extremists. Right wing zealots.
They are Nazis.
Zionism is a political ideology, not a religious doctrine. It has nothing to do with Judaism or Jewish faith.
Zionists have used the Jews for their own ends. "Zionist" is just a word, a well used word to cover the truth of who and what they really are, and what they really are is Nazis.
It's no secret, the information is available to all who seek it.
Theirs is the policy of total overwhelming dominance of others. Of believing themselves to be a master race.
Of focused extermination of a proclaimed lesser human race.
Of micro managing and judging the lives of others and seeing nothing but faults and potential dangers there while excusing themselves of all adherence to laws of decency, reason or justice. Theirs is the perennial battle of imperialism, the waging of war and destruction against those who cannot defend themselves.
Theirs are the lies of justification that can only make sense to other imperialist minds.

In closing, I can't really say there is any new information in here for me.
I already know all of this and I know trying to convince others of this information that have been blinded by the filtered, pro Israel media is a fruitless effort and frankly it has gotten many people angry with me, but I don't care

[Reimann]

Wow Ike, I think you really hit a nerve there!

Hey Poboys, we're still not convinced. Got any more quotes from the families of suicide bombers? A couple more of those might do the trick!

[poboys 94]

Originally Posted by Reimann

Wow Ike, I think you really hit a nerve there!

Hey Poboys, we're still not convinced. Got any more quotes from the families of suicide bombers? A couple more of those might do the trick!

You are a real ignoranus: Oh wait let me look that up for you, since you can't on your own-
IGNORANUS: A person who's both stupid and an a$$hole.

[Ike83]

Originally Posted by Reimann

Wow Ike, I think you really hit a nerve there!

Hey Poboys, we're still not convinced. Got any more quotes from the families of suicide bombers? A couple more of those might do the trick!

Nothing like reminding a person of the type of people they're condoning throughout the entire thread.

I mean, from ALL the posts that poboys has EVER posted, I've never heard him ONCE support America in ANY decision that she's ever made....EVER!

He's NEVER admitted that Saddam Hussein, or Osama bin Laden, or any other terrorist aiming to hurt our country, has EVER done anything wrong, immoral, or worth facing any repurcussions for.

Everything is AMERICA'S fault...or ISRAEL'S fault! Mahmoud Ahmadinejad COMPLETELY ignores the fact that the freakin' HOLOCAUST ever happened, Saddam Hussein murders HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE (even BURYING people alive in human ****ing graves), and poboys, alongside every other liberal nutjob in the country, is MORE worried about how terrorists' rights are being violated in Guantanamo Bay!

You people make me sick! And quite frankly poboys, your ability to twist even the SIMPLEST of stories in the Bible, is enough to make any normal person vomit. I mean, you can't seem to understand even the SIMPLEST of morals, to the SIMPLEST of stories, that have ever been told, and yet you expect to hold an intelligent conversation on a matter as complex as THIS?

You're kidding me right?

Why don't you continue posting statements that are COMPLETELY untrue? No, go ahead!

I believe you were JUST telling us that Hamas has NEVER before used ANYBODY as a human shield. Isn't that right? Isn't that a FACT? Oh, that's right, it's not even close.

So explain to me WHY you're so upset that no one believes what you say, when MOST things that you post can EASILY be discredited with a little time invested in verifying the source? You're worthless. Good day sir.

[Ike83]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

You are a real ignoranus: Oh wait let me look that up for you, since you can't on your own-
IGNORANUS: A person who's both stupid and an a$$hole.

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! I'd hold on there a second Reimann.

If I were you, I'd first verify that poboy's definition of the word "ignoranus", is even the TRUE definition of the word. Cause I'm pretty sure with a little investigation, you'll probably find three or four VIDEOS that confirm otherwise.

This thread is DONE son! Hey poboys, good luck with your quest for the holy grail!


[/debate with worthless libs]

[Reimann]

Originally Posted by poboys 94

You are a real ignoranus: Oh wait let me look that up for you, since you can't on your own-
IGNORANUS: A person who's both stupid and an a$$hole.

So what pro-terrorist site did you look that up on? Like all the other information you have posted it is incorrect. But coming from a terrorist supporter like yourself being called an ass hole is compliment.

[poboys 94]

Both of you are the terrorist supporters and No sane person can hold a serious debate when you take things out of context and twist **** around, look back on the things I said and quoted You are both seriously ****ed in the head and are a complete disgrace as Americans
and a disgrace to the intelligence of Stangnet overall. Keep living in your
fantasy world and nutlicking the Zionist who have practically taken over your country, those are the terrorists you should be fearing the most but your ****ing willful ignorance and wanton disregard for your country is more important.
And don't mention the Bible you have no right to hide behind , you don't practice what you preach you dumbass Zionist Talmud loving
Jesus hating hypocrite. You Make me sick. And I am done wasting my time with total scumbag *******s like yourselves, **** you and the abyss of ****ing ignorance you spawn from.

[Uncle Meat]

And with that last little tirade we're done!

U.M.