Picture of the under car!

iceturbo · #1 (**permalink**) 03-03-09, 02:34 PM

Hi,

I'm looking for the picture of the under car of a mustang II! Because I've been told that the gas tank of those car have a 90° bend with almost no radius! SO I was looking to find a picture to see what is there and why there is a so special bend!

Thanks a lot!

LILCBRA · #2 (**permalink**) 03-03-09, 02:44 PM

Although I don't think this is exactly what you are after, here is a link to the .net site with a pic of the undercarriage.

Mustang II Network - Mustang II Network - IMSA Assembly line and other misc pohotos Photos

iceturbo · #3 (**permalink**) 03-04-09, 07:38 AM

It is not exactly what I was looking for but it is gonna help!

Thank a lot and keep looking!

Vegas Stang · #4 (**permalink**) 03-04-09, 09:40 AM

Does this help?

StangIIttop · #5 (**permalink**) 03-04-09, 10:20 PM

If you think the radius is close you should check the bends going from the fenderwell down around the frame up to the fuel pump.

iceturbo · #6 (**permalink**) 03-05-09, 06:57 AM

Thanx Vegas Stang! Do you have the picture of were the tank goes?

StangIITTop: could you explaine that? I'm not sure I follow you?

Thanx!

LILCBRA · #7 (**permalink**) 03-05-09, 08:52 AM

So, you want a pic without the tank in place? I had some close up pics of that area when I converted mine to a fox body tank. I can't seem to find them right now. In fact, I think I started a thread on here probably 3 or so years ago about it when I converted it. You may want to start there, you may get lucky and find it. I will keep looking for those pics and let you know.

edit: I looked up the old thread, and there are no pics there. I will keep looking. I can't imagine I don't have them any longer.

LILCBRA · #8 (**permalink**) 03-05-09, 09:33 AM

Sorry, I guess I can't help. I can't find those pics anywhere on my machine.

iceturbo · #9 (**permalink**) 03-05-09, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LILCBRA

Sorry, I guess I can't help. I can't find those pics anywhere on my machine.

It's not a problem! I really apreciate the time you took to try to find the pictures!

**78CobraII** · #10 (**permalink**) 03-06-09, 09:19 AM

iceturbo,

It would be easier for to help if we knew what you were looking for, and from what viewpoint.

Are you looking for a specific kind of bend from a metal-working or design viewpoint?

If so, the MII does not have any unusual design features (with regard to sheetmetal design).

A "90° bend with almost no radius" would be a very poor design feature in a structural stamping like a floorpan or frame rail because it would have very little strength in an accident, plus it would be difficult to stamp without tearing the metal.

A non-structural element like a fuel tank may have a "90° bend with almost no radius", but it will usually be at a flange again because of the difficulty in drawing the metal to that angle in the middle of a stamping. In fact in the fuel tank pic above, you can see the flange that mates the two halves of the tank together has a "90° bend with almost no radius", but the rest of the tank has 90° bends with at least 1 inch radius.

I guess I'm just trying to understand your question better.

StangIIttop · #11 (**permalink**) 03-08-09, 10:59 PM

The only 90 deg bend with a close radius would be the fuel line that I can see.

iceturbo · #12 (**permalink**) 03-16-09, 07:18 AM

Hey! I have pictures of what I'm talking about! But I don't know how to post them! Could I send them to some one ho could post them?

Thanks!

**78CobraII** · #13 (**permalink**) 03-16-09, 04:40 PM

You have mail.

iceturbo · #14 (**permalink**) 03-19-09, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 78CobraII

You have mail.

U2

Thank for hosting my pics!

**78CobraII** · #15 (**permalink**) 03-25-09, 05:05 PM

Here are two of the pics that Iceturbo sent me...cropped and reduced a bit.

They appear to be of two different tanks. I recall that there are at least two tank designs for the MII. Are there more? Do we know the dates that these tanks were used?

The pics also show the small radius bend that he is concerned with...its where the upper dome meets the flat deck. Apparently this radius is so tight that it will cause manufacturing problems. Would there be a clearance problem with increasing this radius to 1 inch?

Iceturbo works for a manufacturer that is investigating making replacement MII fuel tanks, so it would be great if we could get him some info.

I'm calling this tank "No1", but it looks like the one I have in my 1978 coupe (without the saddle tank).

**78CobraII** · #16 (**permalink**) 03-25-09, 05:07 PM

This is tank "No2". What MII would this one come from?

**78CobraII** · #17 (**permalink**) 03-25-09, 05:16 PM

Here is a pic of the rear of my 78 coupe with everything removed. I've labeled the curve of the spare tire well, which I see as a possible area of interference if the radius of the bend between the tank dome and the deck is increased to 1 inch.

Does anyone have a pic of their tank installed with this area clearly shown? It would help determine if there is a possibility of interference.

Also...are the tank straps the same for both tanks?

Is there a source for new tanks straps?

How about for fuel level senders?

Anybody near Quebec want to be a tester for a new tank?

Thanks!

**Dano78** · #18 (**permalink**) 03-26-09, 01:28 AM

This should shed light on the subject-

Gas tank comparison

iceturbo · #19 (**permalink**) 03-26-09, 06:47 AM

Thank you very much 78CobraII for the pictures and for posting my pics!

Thanx Dano78 for the link! Really interesting!!!

iceturbo · #20 (**permalink**) 04-01-09, 06:36 AM

Is there anyone else who have any pictures on the gas tank area or the gas tank straps or a link with info?

Thank you!

Steel Steeds · #21 (**permalink**) 04-01-09, 04:46 PM

There do seem to be different straps. I've got a set that doesn't quite seem long enough on my '78.

There is an eBay seller that has new reproduction fuel level senders made of stainless steel. They are correct replacements for the V8 version, but will work with any. They are $100 each, plus shipping, and he's sold a lot of them since I first saw them.

**78CobraII** · #22 (**permalink**) 04-01-09, 08:02 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/75-76...Q5fAccessories

That's a good looking sender. I'm not sure that I need a stainless steel one for $100 though. I'd check around with the other MII suppliers like Phil to see if they have it new in plain steel. I wonder who the manufacturer of this one is...

This guy has new tank straps for a bunch of Mopars...maybe he can get some for the MII also?

I'll try (again) to get the tank into my '78 Ghia this weekend so I can get some pics. If the rain will ever stop...

iceturbo · #23 (**permalink**) 04-06-09, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Steel Steeds

There do seem to be different straps. I've got a set that doesn't quite seem long enough on my '78.

If it doesn't fit on your car does it mean it made for the "first generation" of MII? If yes, I would love to buy them from you if you can send me pictures!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steel Steeds

There is an eBay seller that has new reproduction fuel level senders made of stainless steel. They are correct replacements for the V8 version, but will work with any. They are $100 each, plus shipping, and he's sold a lot of them since I first saw them.

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Originally Posted by 78CobraII

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/75-76...Q5fAccessories

That's a good looking sender. I'm not sure that I need a stainless steel one for $100 though. I'd check around with the other MII suppliers like Phil to see if they have it new in plain steel. I wonder who the manufacturer of this one is...

This guy has new tank straps for a bunch of Mopars...maybe he can get some for the MII also?

I'll try (again) to get the tank into my '78 Ghia this weekend so I can get some pics. If the rain will ever stop...

Thank you very much for the link. I will ask him if he can get the straps! But we do already have the sending unit for MII and I know the compagnie that does those sending unit, they are good quality but they are plated and not stanless!! The onely thing left that we don't have is the straps!

Thank a lot for your help and keep looking!!!