[SS02]

Originally Posted by Top Speed

Now that right there is just plain...FUNNY! You're the first person I've ever talked to that doesn't like the 1993-1997 style better than the 1998-2002, but, to each his/her own. I mean, besides the 5th Gens, I would have marked the 1974 Z28 as the ugliest Camaros ever built, but that's me.

As for the 1993-1997, why are they the worst ever made? The styling? Performance? What? Or are you just mad because they're nearly just as fast as a stock 2009 Mustang GT and they're 12 years older at the very least?

Im the Second ...Even though honestly its just the front clip thats different in the styling department....The powertrain is obviously better in the 4th gens...but I have to say a third gen is nice...still prefer the 5th over all of them though.

[Top Speed]

Originally Posted by MeanMike

Sure if you can even find one they only ended up making like 2 or 3 thousand of the GXP's if I remember right.

There's one that sits on a showroom floor 20 miles up the road from me; a red one with an auto.

[newbstang05]

Originally Posted by Top Speed

So what do you do that you're 21 years old and can afford to buy $60,000 worth of cars? I'd really like to know, because I'm in the wrong field.

I have a busy life to say the least...lol It's an understatement to say I don't sleep very much. Here's what I do in a nutshell...

I started a company that develops specialized software programs for language learning that is based on psychological characteristics of the learner (learning style, interests, personality), alongside offering traditional services for companies and executives in need of translations and consulting for international entry strategies. If a company doesn't know how to go about entering or approaching a certain region I can help them understand the region itself, the language/cultural aspects, and the barriers/facets of doing business in that region. As with most consulting, this is best done on a case by case basis for specific results, but I plan to eventually start doing web seminars for language learning to expand my reach. I also offer marketing consulting for domestic companies that need to develop an advertising campaign in Spanish but don't have qualified personnel to develop such campaigns - or if a company wants to verify what they have come up with from their Spanish-speaking staff or third party consulting firm I also do that because there are so many different dialects of Spanish and I help the company remember what their target market is so that they will be using the correct wording and colloquialisms to effectively connect to their market [i.e. Cuban Spanish is much different from Mexican Spanish]). I also do market research for a company that wants to investigate a Spanish-speaking market but doesn't have the time or qualified personnel to do so. And finally I offer marketing consulting to companies that want to target a foreign Spanish-speaking market - and this can range from just the market research to the development of a full marketing campaign for that country/region).

I spent 6 years teaching myself Spanish and have achieved native fluency, thankfully without even an accent ...(When I was growing up I had numerous friends that spoke Spanish and I learned with them)...So my company grew out of what I knew and what I went through learning a foreign language.

My company is called Dos Rumbos and my website is Dos Rumbos Home if you guys want to check me out some time

I'm still working on the website and it's coming along pretty well (If you haven't noticed I'm kind of a stubborn/driven person so I decided to teach myself PHP script one day and build the website myself lol)

I'm also an amateur investor and I spend a lot of nights just researching what I'm going to invest in next.

I'm also a full-time college student at the University of New Mexico finishing my Bachelor's degree in International Business Management in Latin America with a minor in Spanish...I'll graduate in May (woo hoo! lol ). It does help that I have full-ride scholarship to UNM and that they pay me a stipend every semester just to attend their university - that way I don't have to be spending a bunch of money on tuition and books every semester, which can get freaking expensive! So that's partially why I had a little money to spend on a car - because I haven't had to pay for college (I've actually been paid to go to college go figure hahaha)...I have to keep a 3.0 GPA I believe in order to keep the scholarship, but that hasn't been a problem because I have a 4.08 right now (A+'s count as 4.33 here so it's a nice little boost to my average when I get a few A+'s )...I still don't know if I'll end up being Valedictorian or not - I guess I won't find out until I get closer to graduation. I'm not going to get too caught up about it like I did in high school and finished 3rd in my class lol...Hey, at least that way I didn't have to give a speech on graduation day! lol

And finally, I'm commissioning into the Air Force as an officer once I graduate and plan to work in Intelligence for them for 4 years (my minimum service)...I'm extremely excited about that! So I'm starting to get my butt in good physical shape for military life because it will be a change

And with my GI Bill I'm going to get my Master's degree and most likely my PhD because it's a pretty sweet deal. I will be able to get my Master's degree for free because while I'm still active service the Air Force gives 100% tuition assistance for any higher education that I want to pursue, so I would be able to leave my entire $40,000 (well $38,700 to be exact lol) for my PhD.

So while I'm in the Air Force I'll work with my company in my off time, but otherwise I'm leaving it with my business partner/best friend. I'm also considering getting another business partner to share in the responsibility of the company in my absence, so I'll see how that goes...

Other than that I'm also considering eventually going in on building some storage units for rent with my dad and some other business associates/friends of his...He already owns some storage units besides having his accounting/consulting firm (Gallup, NM CPA / Newberry & Associates, LTD) and he always tells me how he sees higher profit margins from renting storage units than he does from his accounting/consulting firm - something he could have never imagined when he was getting his accounting degree and became a CPA haha...

So if you want my advice get some people together and get into the storage unit business...People have so much junk it's unbelievable IMHO lol

So that's what I do in a nutshell...Like I said I don't sleep very much. I'm 21 years old and this morning I noticed some of my first gray hairs! hahaha So my life definitely has its tradeoffs lol

[MeanMike]

Originally Posted by Top Speed

There's one that sits on a showroom floor 20 miles up the road from me; a red one with an auto.

If that's the case and you really want one then you better jump on it because I know for sure they did'nt make many.

[newbstang05]

...And I'm not going to lie, my Camaro pretty much wiped me out in terms of my savings hahaha...By December I'll have only about $10,000 saved up and in stocks (assuming there's not anymore huge crashes in the market). But what would make me able to buy another car would be my military signing bonus.

With that I could buy a nice side/project car (of course a Mustang )

So I guess I'll see what prices are looking like when more money comes around...Until then, I'll continue to admire/respect Mustangs alongside you guys and take any ridicule you guys deem necessary towards my "heavy/goofy" beast lol It's all good! haha

[MeanMike]

Originally Posted by newbstang05

...And I'm not going to lie, my Camaro pretty much wiped me out in terms of my savings hahaha...By December I'll have only about $10,000 saved up and in stocks (assuming there's not anymore huge crashes in the market). But what would make me able to buy another car would be my military signing bonus.

With that I could buy a nice side/project car (of course a Mustang )

So I guess I'll see what prices are looking like when more money comes around...Until then, I'll continue to admire/respect Mustangs alongside you guys and take any ridicule you guys deem necessary towards my "heavy/goofy" beast lol It's all good! haha

Have you seen the Hennessey Camaro yet? I have to admit it look's pretty sweet at least from the front and side view, I will hold judgement untill they show the rear end though.

[Top Speed]

I think the 5th Gens look nice from a sideview. That's it. I think from any other view they look..."beefy."

[newbstang05]

Originally Posted by MeanMike

Have you seen the Hennessey Camaro yet? I have to admit it look's pretty sweet at least from the front and side view, I will hold judgement untill they show the rear end though.

Yeah I like the Hennessey Camaro it's pretty sweet...But the $60,000 price tag just ruins it for me (if I'm remembering correctly it comes in somewhere around 60,000 and that's just ridiculous IMHO a $25,000 supercharger, wheel, and suspension upgrade?)...The GT500 wins every single time in power and quality per dollar in that match up...I mean Hennessey doesn't do anything to the interior like what Saleen and Roush do to their Mustangs and that's extremely disappointing. Plus the Cobra interior is pretty freaking nice I have to admit

[MeanMike]

Originally Posted by newbstang05

Yeah I like the Hennessey Camaro it's pretty sweet...But the $60,000 price tag just ruins it for me (if I'm remembering correctly it comes in somewhere around 60,000 and that's just ridiculous IMHO a $25,000 supercharger, wheel, and suspension upgrade?)...The GT500 wins every single time in power and quality per dollar in that match up...I mean Hennessey doesn't do anything to the interior like what Saleen and Roush do to their Mustangs and that's extremely disappointing. Plus the Cobra interior is pretty freaking nice I have to admit

I agree but I dont think were talking about the same Hennessey. Your refering to the one on youtube I believe. So here's a pic of it.

[newbstang05]

Oh yeah I saw that one too I was just thinking about the other one...That's the LS9 one they offer...They are only going to build 24 of these - so I can't imagine what the price tag is going to be like

Here's a pic of the rear...

[MeanMike]

It does'nt look like a cow from that view. I would still need to see a full rear end view too make my decision.

[SS02]

I just think the new Camaro looks so menacing......I actually like the tight fit in the car...kinda like a cockpit lol... its big..but man is it sweet.

[Fast05]

Can someone please remind me why we have a 12 page thread discussing a car that this forum is not meant for?

[MeanMike]

Um I'm going to go out on a limb and say that some of us have an interest in the car, wether it be good or bad. I dont know why it was posted under the 2010 Mustang section though. Hey I'm the new guy I've only been here since like pg 9.

[Top Speed]

Hennessey is a crook...just so you all know. Don't believe me? Look it up.

[newbstang05]

Originally Posted by Top Speed

Hennessey is a crook...just so you all know. Don't believe me? Look it up.

This is true...I've heard some horror stories about that guy.

[Top Speed]

Originally Posted by newbstang05

This is true...I've heard some horror stories about that guy.

Kinda like the stories about him selling parts off of cars that his customers bring in to him; hoods, wheels, etc. without permission, and then keeping the money for himself.

I don't care how cool his cars may be, I wouldn't go near this guy.

Copied word for word from "GM Inside News:"

"Hennessey's Vipers are fast, but lawsuits say he serves them up too slowly.

Ninety-eight percent of his customers love him, John Hennessey says. But a few hate him and some have sued. Hennessey Motorsports in Houston specializes in tuning Vipers, adding more power to what is already one of the most powerful cars in the world. Hennessey’s Vipers have been featured in this and many other magazines and the cars he has sent to us and to other media were impressive performers. Hennessey presents himself well, projecting an image of the consummate Texas good ol’ boy whose reassuring conversational style and howyewdoin’ demeanor put customers at ease. People believe they will get what he says he’ll give them. But not all people do.

According to a lawsuit filed in Salt Lake City, Utah resident Taig Stewart sent his Viper GTS to Hennessey last May for an engine upgrade to 1100 hp along with several other modifications. For that he wire-transferred $142,500 to Hennessey. The lawsuit states the parties agreed the car would be done by mid-July 2001. As of press time the car was still sitting under a tarp in Hennessey’s shop in Houston. Or most of the car, anyway. Stewart’s suit claims Hennessey sold the car’s engine, transmission, wheels, tires and hood. The suit seeks return of the money, the Viper and “no less than $1 million” in punitive damages.

Hennessey claims he’s just slow in getting the work done.

“My side of the story is we’re planning on finishing his car and planning on giving him everything that he paid for,” said Hennessey. As for the parts being sold, “That’s totally false. We’ve got all his parts in the shop except the hood and he wanted to do a lightweight hood.”

Stewart is not the first unsatisfied customer. The longer we dug the more dissatisfaction we found. Here’s a sampling:

On Nov. 14 a New Jersey court entered a final judgement of $133,674 against Hennessey on behalf of Viper owner Gary Dan for a botched conversion.

William Walters said he is out over $22,000 after shipping his Corvette to Hennessey for a head and cam package that was never done; he did have five rods bent and a head gasket damaged on the dyno in Hennessey’s shop during an experiment Hennessey tried with nitrous oxide.

Jerry Johnson said he had to file suit in Placer County Court in California to straighten out registration and engine computer problems on a Viper he bought from Hennessey. n Jon Belinkie said he loves the changes made to his Viper but had to sue in his home state of Maryland, then register the judgement in Texas, to recover overcharges Hennessey made on his American Express card.

Rick Ryan said he had to hound Hennessey for eight months by long distance from Marietta, Georgia, to put the proper wing and stripes on his Viper.

Mark Lublin said he sent his Viper cylinder heads to Hennessey for new valves but when the heads came back he found the “new” valves were actually used; a cam that was delivered to Lublin in a Hennessey box turned out to be a stock Chrysler cam. Lublin was finally refunded $5,715 from American Express but only after nine months of disputing the charge; and he got no money from Hennessey.

Bruce Iannatuono said he ordered $8,500 worth of Hennessey parts for his mechanic in Baltimore to install but was only able to use two-thirds of what was shipped, and then only after haranguing Hennessey for six months on an order that was originally promised in five weeks.

Most of the complaints come from outside Texas. Hennessey, some said, tends to take better care of local customers.

“If you were out of state, man you were fair game,” said Kyle Kent, a former employee at Hennessey Motorsports. When an out-of-state car came in it was sometimes parted out, with the wheels, tires and whatever else looked good going to other cars waiting to be finished or sold outright, according to Kent and others inside Hennessey Motorsports. Then Hennessey would call the car’s owner and try to sell him an upgraded kit. If the customer balked, Hennessey would take parts from other cars in the shop, or just let the job sit.

Kent described one typical disassembly on an out-of-state Viper. “The motor and transmission went into a Durango John was putting together, the brakes went to someone else, the hood went to a guy in Ohio, the rear bumper to South Carolina, man you name it. We had multiple cars like that.”

Another common practice was putting stock parts on what was supposed to be an upgraded car.

“One customer spent $130,000 to $140,000 and that guy thought he had purchased a Venom 650R package which he thought came with the stroker motor,” Kent said. “John told him he was getting a stroker. He was just getting heads and cams.”

Hennessey denies any wrongdoing.

“I’ve got probably 3000 customers,” he said. “I’ve built over 300 cars and out of that I’ve had a handful of people that I’ve had some sort of a delivery problem with and I’ve had some of them who have sued me. So is that some sort of a trend or is that par for the course?”
But here's the cool part, read this thread in which he participates in. This guy is a Class A jerk."


Here's another fancy link. Check out how much of a tool this guy really is...

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/gen...own-board.html

[SS02]

Everyone on LS1tech cant stand the guy, some have had first hand expericence.......Bottom line...Stay away from hennessy !!! He can build a great car....but at what price lol...and at what deception !!

[SS02]

Originally Posted by Fast05

Can someone please remind me why we have a 12 page thread discussing a car that this forum is not meant for?

Dunno...dont like it..dont read it lol.. Every forum you go on theres threads like this man, dont get all bent out of shape about it. I mean comon, what else is going to spark great debate

[Fast05]

Originally Posted by SS02

Dunno...dont like it..dont read it lol.. Every forum you go on theres threads like this man, dont get all bent out of shape about it. I mean comon, what else is going to spark great debate

I'm not bent out of shape about it, man, and I understand people's interest in it. But if you're interested in it and you want to post info and read info about a Camaro, go to a Camaro forum. We're here to have discussions about our Mustangs.

[MeanMike]

Originally Posted by SS02

Dunno...dont like it..dont read it lol.. Every forum you go on theres threads like this man, dont get all bent out of shape about it. I mean comon, what else is going to spark great debate

Even if it's not so great, it still give's us something were interested in.

[Fast05]

Originally Posted by MeanMike

Um I'm going to go out on a limb and say that some of us have an interest in the car, wether it be good or bad. I dont know why it was posted under the 2010 Mustang section though. Hey I'm the new guy I've only been here since like pg 9.

That was my point, thank you for getting it, since someone else obviously didn't. This is the 2010 Mustang forum, not the 2010 Camaro forum.

[verbwiser]

This thread is one of the things that brings me back to this forum.

If any of you bought the mustang, the 90% of the people who did, have, at minimum, a passing interest in the camaro along with the challenger.

I like the camaro, along with the challenger, the 370z and others. This is a good thread...if you like it, read it, if you don't, the pass on it. Most car guys like reading about cars....not just our cars.

You can make an argument for the topic being in another section, and a lot of moderators in some forums have gotten so sensitive about the whining of people complaining about topics being in the wrong section, that they end up cutting their forum into a pie with too many slices. Most people like reading interesting topics and they want to read it as easily as possible without having to click 30 different sections to do it.

[MeanMike]

Man after reading about Hennessey all I can say is WOW what a TOOL.

[Fast05]

Originally Posted by verbwiser

This thread is one of the things that brings me back to this forum.

If any of you bought the mustang, the 90% of the people who did, have, at minimum, a passing interest in the camaro along with the challenger.

I like the camaro, along with the challenger, the 370z and others. This is a good thread...if you like it, read it, if you don't, the pass on it. Most car guys like reading about cars....not just our cars.

You can make an argument for the topic being in another section, and a lot of moderators in some forums have gotten so sensitive about the whining of people complaining about topics being in the wrong section, that they end up cutting their forum into a pie with too many slices. Most people like reading interesting topics and they want to read it as easily as possible without having to click 30 different sections to do it.

This thread has wandered on and off topic time and time again. It may as well be titled "Talk about anything you want - and then some"

So back to the original topic, the 2010 camaro.

It's a nice car, kind of, except that it looks fat in person.
I wouldn't pay 40k for one. (nor have my credit run before I could test drive one)
It's too heavy to do anything spectacular outside of a straight line, so much for that fancy IRS.
It looks like it was designed on a computer.
The interior looks like a jazzed up version of my friend's Pontiac G5, and those gauges on the floor are funky, GM tried too hard.
Good luck trying to look out your windows to see what's going on around you.
The sales numbers are high because the fanboys haven't had a Camaro for 7 years and are willing to buy anything with the Camaro nameplate on it.
I wouldn't buy a car from a bankrupt company operating off my tax dollars.
Once the hype dies down (only built up because of those movies GM produced), so will the car.
A blown Mustang GT with track pack and a decent driver will outrun it in a straight line and in the curves every day with ease, and probably will have spent less than the poor sap who bought his marked up SS just to have one.
If you want a GM car that actually performs, go buy a Corvette.