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09-02-09, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Fast05  Wasn't the Camaro a few thousand ahead the first few months and now the difference is a mere 400? Looks like the fan boy "rush" to be the first to get a Camaro is starting to wear out.
I've also been reading alot about certain quality control issues GM is having with this vehicle. After finding them it sounds like horror stories, I know every new model has issues (my 05 did, but minor and fixable in less than a day) but they had a lot of time to work on this car and there's people buying it with a loose spoiler because the bolts aren't tight, or their oil pan is leaking, or they can't get the key out of the ignition, or their front facia cracks at high speed, interior pieces falling off, running paint, just to name a few. I guess when you have that coupled with independent studies that compare the quality of Fords to Honda and Toyota saying it's equal to or better, it makes people stop and think. Ford's sales were up 17% in August, while GM was down 20%. Looks like they've got a long way to go, and I guess throwing a corvette engine in every car you sell must not be the answer. (sarcastic) | Here is a very interesting (and unsurprising) read. New Camaro Owners Create Depressingly Long Pre-Delivery Inspection Checklist - 2010 Chevy Camaro - Jalopnik
Looks to me that this vehicle is ripe for breaking the Ford Focus' record of recalls.  |
09-02-09, 07:53 AM
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Yea that's the list I came across a few days ago, and was lurking around in other forums. Interesting stuff. |
09-02-09, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Fast05 Yea that's the list I came across a few days ago, and was lurking around in other forums. Interesting stuff. | Interesting, and hardly surprising stuff. Just more proof why GM needed a bail-out. After screwing off with this car since 2005 or 2006, they've had more than enough time to design a quality product for production, yet still managed to belch out a mediocre automobile. IMO, as much time as GM has had to design this car, there shouldn't be any problem areas.
Good job, GM.  |
09-02-09, 12:29 PM
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| |  exactly! well put. |
09-02-09, 12:33 PM
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^^^All which can be fixed at the dealer  |
09-02-09, 01:08 PM
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It can be fixed at the dealer yes, and obviously first year models have SOME defects, but that seems like a long laundry list of things to check for, especially when you consider the amount of time that GM has been working on that car. My 05 GT had it's fair share of issues (ok well only 2) but I don't remember a list that long only 3 months after it started selling. Not knocking the vehicle, more-so GM for doing what they've always done. |
09-02-09, 02:33 PM
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I read that article, and what It listed was everything reported....if one person complained about it, they reported it. They also said its not a widespread of complaints. So yes, if you read that, im sure your inclined to think that this is a big issue, but these are isolated complaints. |
09-02-09, 02:53 PM
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09-02-09, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SS02 ^^^All which can be fixed at the dealer | Any problem can be fixed at the dealership. I don't know how you feel about driving your brand new vehicle back and forth to the dealership every week, but I think I'll pass. Hence one of the many reasons I bought an STi instead of an Evo.
While all of these may not be "widespread complaints," there are no excuses for the majority of them. |
09-02-09, 04:47 PM
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Well , I can see your point and understand it. Remember though that Camaro is about 4 years in the making...not developing but the traditional "on again Off again" Gm style of automobile manufactering lol. Its not perfect by anymeans, and the Recall for the Camaro is about the positive battery cable in the SS models. Causing it to die. Its affected 300 units.
Hopefully thatll be all, but probably not.. I mean the Camaro is new from the ground up, shares the same platform with the All new G8. So its got some kinks to work out....Never buy a first year model or second lol. I mean comeon the 05 Mustang had Air bag issues and more, most besides the airbag issue was minor, just like the Camaros. All I have to say is ,if your buying a Brand new model..be ready to have some things fixed...sucks, but thats how it is. 2005 Ford Mustang Recalls, Defects, & Safety Problems at Automotive.com
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09-02-09, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SS02 Well , I can see your point and understand it. Remember though that Camaro is about 4 years in the making...not developing but the traditional "on again Off again" Gm style of automobile manufactering lol. Its not perfect by anymeans, and the Recall for the Camaro is about the positive battery cable in the SS models. Causing it to die. Its affected 300 units.
Hopefully thatll be all, but probably not.. I mean the Camaro is new from the ground up, shares the same platform with the All new G8. So its got some kinks to work out....Never buy a first year model or second lol. I mean comeon the 05 Mustang had Air bag issues and more, most besides the airbag issue was minor, just like the Camaros. All I have to say is ,if your buying a Brand new model..be ready to have some things fixed...sucks, but thats how it is. 2005 Ford Mustang Recalls, Defects, & Safety Problems at Automotive.com | I haven't heard of all these problems with a G8. |
09-02-09, 11:05 PM
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List of problems with the G8....Biggest thing is the 55mph shutter, chipping paint ext...same stuff. |
09-02-09, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SS02 | As has been said many times before...this is obviously no surprise. It's everyone that's been wanting a Camaro for the past 7 years unable to buy one, and now they can. I'll be more interested in these figures in a year from now. |
09-02-09, 11:09 PM
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^^ true... Iagree. A year from now is when we"ll see whats really going to happen for the Camaro. |
09-02-09, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SS02 List of problems with the G8....Biggest thing is the 55mph shutter, chipping paint ext...same stuff. | That surprises me about the paint with GM. I have a '94 Camaro and it's been out in the weather since at least 1996, and it still shines. I've never had an issue with paint on any of my GM vehicles.
As for the 55 mph shudder, my Camaro had the same issue. I think it's different for the 6spds, because with the automatics, that's when the engine is under load. |
09-03-09, 10:25 AM
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^^ yeah but its a small thing, only a few guys have had the paint issues, on the G8 boards alot of them dont have a problem at all. The Shudder seems to be common, dont know if thats a correction possibility by GM, or the consumer will just have to live with it. Alot of them are saying change the stock tires and it goes away....lol...others have said they did and now pissed because its still there. Dunno |
09-03-09, 11:36 AM
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Don't forget the launch control problems with the camaro SS... nothing like leaving your output shaft at the light.
That checklist really is mostly just a list of little things that folks have spotted in their vehicles when they picked them up at the dealership (or shortly after they got home with their new ride). Things like the satellite antenna not quite flush with the roof (like about a business card gap, which is pretty small). Obviously, some are larger.
I agree that GM had plenty of time to get the camaro out onto the market, and in true (old) Detroit fashion got around to it when they got around to it. But I don't equate that extra time with them working out a single bug in the vehicle. As long as it passed federal inspection, it was good to go.
I don't know that Ford would have done it any differently.
I also think that we're seeing a HUGE change in the way that car companies are going to be introducing new vehicles. The turn around time on these "green" vehicles is lightening fast in comparison to just a half dozen years ago. Yes, there's a clamor for green vehicles now, but there was a clamor for the camaro too, and it still took GM 4 years to get 'er done.
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09-03-09, 08:43 PM
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The Chevy Volt appears next year....lets hope theres no bug issues in that lol |
09-06-09, 09:59 PM
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Blah.
After reading 7 pages I hoped to have seen more useful info other than bickering, oh well. To all those who complain, there was a title to the thread before you clicked on it. If you're not here to read about anything but Mustangs, you don't have to read (much less post) in a thread titled "2010 Camaro". Until the mods decide a seperate section is needed to divide "Tech" and "Talk" ( please, please soon!!  ), you'll just have to sift through the stuff you don't want to read.
Go to the other Camaro and Challenger and Civic SI, etc, boards and see if they don't have info about the enemies!!! I for one, want to know what they are doing with simple bolt ons, if you don't care, don't look, or post, or whatever.
Off Topic:
In my books, given equal opportunites:
5.0 < 4.6 2v < 4.6 3v < 5.4 4v (I've owned each one save the 4V)
LT1 < LS1 < LS2 < LS3
They didn't spend millions of dollars improving for nothing. Also look at the safety records for older stangs and maros and weight those as well. |
09-06-09, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SS02 ^^ true... Iagree. A year from now is when we"ll see whats really going to happen for the Camaro. | A Year from now you will see a 400hp Mustang w/ a 6spd and it will be neck and neck with the camaro.
That being said... I want a 2011 Camaro (Would never buy a 1st year GM product) My 2011 CyberGrey Metalic SS will be parked right next to my 2005 Mineral Grey Mustang GT.
My 05 GT Runs 12.229 @ 110 mph N/A with Bolt-ons so my camaro will have some catching up to do.  Plus my Wife want's it to be a Convertable  At least I will have a Camaro Quote:
Originally Posted by SS02 The Chevy Volt appears next year....lets hope theres no bug issues in that lol | It would be "Shocking" if there weren’t any 
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09-06-09, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Justin01 Blah.
After reading 7 pages I hoped to have seen more useful info other than bickering, oh well. To all those who complain, there was a title to the thread before you clicked on it. If you're not here to read about anything but Mustangs, you don't have to read (much less post) in a thread titled "2010 Camaro". Until the mods decide a seperate section is needed to divide "Tech" and "Talk" ( please, please soon!! ), you'll just have to sift through the stuff you don't want to read.
Go to the other Camaro and Challenger and Civic SI, etc, boards and see if they don't have info about the enemies!!! I for one, want to know what they are doing with simple bolt ons, if you don't care, don't look, or post, or whatever.
Off Topic:
In my books, given equal opportunites:
5.0 < 4.6 2v < 4.6 3v < 5.4 4v (I've owned each one save the 4V)
LT1 < LS1 < LS2 < LS3
They didn't spend millions of dollars improving for nothing. Also look at the safety records for older stangs and maros and weight those as well. | I guess I missed all the bickering. Looks more like a bit of debating to me.
Congrats on the only informative post here; yours. My automotive wisdom has increased sevenfold since reading your observation of best motor to worse from both sides, Ford and GM.  |
09-08-09, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Top Speed I guess I missed all the bickering. Looks more like a bit of debating to me.
Congrats on the only informative post here; yours. My automotive wisdom has increased sevenfold since reading your observation of best motor to worse from both sides, Ford and GM. | My point, which you obviously missed, was there is little info about the intented camaro topic. I think it's cool people are open to discussing different cars on "blind" boards, but I don't think we need to have a "debate" about the Camaro's standings with Ford, Chrysler, etc in everytime someone mentions the car. Maybe that's what is so redundant.
LOL to your last statement. Seems you don't quite understand.....oh well. |
09-08-09, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Justin01 My point, which you obviously missed, was there is little info about the intented camaro topic. I think it's cool people are open to discussing different cars on "blind" boards, but I don't think we need to have a "debate" about the Camaro's standings with Ford, Chrysler, etc in everytime someone mentions the car. Maybe that's what is so redundant.
LOL to your last statement. Seems you don't quite understand.....oh well. | I understand quite well, thanks. As for the new Camaro, I don't think there's anything about it that hasn't already been said. Comprende'? |
09-12-09, 04:32 PM
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Fesler Moss Camaro
Hopefully GM will copy this for the new model.... Light years better in the Rear |
09-12-09, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SS02 Fesler Moss Camaro
Hopefully GM will copy this for the new model.... Light years better in the Rear | The wheels are horrible. They look like they were ordered from a "Pep Boys Performance" catalog.
Maybe Fesler removed about 500 lbs while they were at it. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Rate This Thread |  Linear Mode | | 
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