[RookieOne]

Originally Posted by LaserSVT

I just killed another battery flying on one stick.

This is about 1/3 of my office space and why I want a better heli. You can see me flying my CX while taking a picture with the phone. Yes the CX is missing its tail, it broke a long time ago falling from over 80' onto my roof and I dont feel like spending $20 for something that only slows the heli down.

You work at a Title Loan shop, right?

Funny thing, the local shop that I go to quite a bit and fly regularly with the owner is RIGHT next to a Title Loan shop. That could be quite dangerous, if I worked right next door!

Shop owner is a HUGE heli fanatic. Yeah, the shop has the typical Airplanes, Trucks and train sets....but he has significantly more Heli stuff than I've ever seen in a local hobby shop.

Carries, Hacker motors, Scorpions, All Align models, All Eflite Models, a small selection of Mikado models....He typically has 10-20 used helis on sale.....At any given time, you can go in and he has 40-50 helicopters in the shop...a mix of his collection, new units prebuilt for sale, used for sales....you name it.

I LOVE going into that shop...but the wallet, and the wife, don't exactly appreciate it as much!!!

[Kilgore Trout]

Originally Posted by LaserSVT

What did you break on it? The blades or the blade holders..... or did you snap the tail?

I bent the tail rotor blade when I crashed it from 22' against my brick fireplace...

I bent it back seems ok

[LaserSVT]

Originally Posted by RookieOne

You work at a Title Loan shop, right?

Funny thing, the local shop that I go to quite a bit and fly regularly with the owner is RIGHT next to a Title Loan shop. That could be quite dangerous, if I worked right next door!

Shop owner is a HUGE heli fanatic. Yeah, the shop has the typical Airplanes, Trucks and train sets....but he has significantly more Heli stuff than I've ever seen in a local hobby shop.

Carries, Hacker motors, Scorpions, All Align models, All Eflite Models, a small selection of Mikado models....He typically has 10-20 used helis on sale.....At any given time, you can go in and he has 40-50 helicopters in the shop...a mix of his collection, new units prebuilt for sale, used for sales....you name it.

I LOVE going into that shop...but the wallet, and the wife, don't exactly appreciate it as much!!!

Pay Day loans, no titles yet.

The dude selling the 4G3 told me today that he has another offer for $150 plus shipping which means I would have to spend about $165 to get it. Its only $25 more then I was planning on but it really got me thinking about the mSR more.
Like when I am trying to get my CX within a couple inches off the ceiling and hover it then the AC turns on and blows the heli into a wall and it bounces off the filing cabinet and then onto the ground, a mSR could handle that but I bet the 4G3 would break something. Or when I am showing off for my boss and slam it into the small 2' x 2' floor to ceiling post by my desk, again the mSR would be OK but the 4G3 would need work.
I think the mSR would be more fun just cause its more durable.
Its just the 4G3 is so much more machine and would be nicer outside for only $15-$20 more then the mSR. Damn decisions.

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

I bent the tail rotor blade when I crashed it from 22' against my brick fireplace...

I bent it back seems ok

Tough little bastard aint it?

[Kilgore Trout]

Yeah its pretty tough, I also found a spare in the box so I already had the new part!

Well last night I did some intensive reading of the manual and found a couple things that made flying easier:
-the remote has trim adjustments!
-pressing the right joystick in puts the controller in a beginner mode which makes it less twitchy

All in all the thing is pretty fun I like it.

[LaserSVT]

Well I am leaving my decision up to fate. If the guy says he will ship it to me for $150 then I will get the 4G3, if not then I will hunt for a mSR on ebay. There are a few with extra batteries going for $150ish.

[DocG2828]

Some has an addiction!

I am eyeballing the DX6i transmitters. I like the idea of bind-n-fly. Seems like you can pick up beginner airplanes for 20-30 less and the transmitter can just be used for everything.

Wish it were compatible with my current fleet so far though.

Ok, someone motivate me to go home tonight and actually figure out what is wrong with my heli.

[stykthyn]

my heli was eating into my car money. maybe after christmas I'll pick it up again. I wish I had an indoor area I could fly in. my 450 size does fine outside, but I dont like having to fight the wind. this thing is totally different from a Coax.

[LaserSVT]

Originally Posted by DocG2828

Some has an addiction!

I am eyeballing the DX6i transmitters. I like the idea of bind-n-fly. Seems like you can pick up beginner airplanes for 20-30 less and the transmitter can just be used for everything.

Wish it were compatible with my current fleet so far though.

Ok, someone motivate me to go home tonight and actually figure out what is wrong with my heli.

Figure out whats wrong with your heli ya lazy bastage!


Which one?

[DocG2828]

Originally Posted by LaserSVT

Figure out whats wrong with your heli ya lazy bastage!


Which one?

The Honeybee.

[LaserSVT]

Its driving me nuts deciding between the two helis. The 4G3 will be better in the long run but may piss me off with parts replacement. The mSR will be fun and cheaper in the long run cause less will break but its a less capeable bird. Wish the dude would let me know about the shipping on it. There are two mSRs that end today and should finish around $140 that I would bid on if the guy wont take my offer of $150 shipped.

ARGH!!!!

[DocG2828]

Just get the one that will cost less to fix. Because we all know that you will be fixing it sooner or later....likely sooner.

Do you really think you need a micro that is capable of intense stunts? Your big heli can satisfy that need.

Also, how soon do you think you will actually be outflying the capabilities of the less capable bird? I'm guessing at least months....many of them.

[RookieOne]

I still hold that the micro's are toys and their use is short lived by individuals looking to progress.

Take the $150 your going to spend and get a GOOD flight sim...Real Flight or Phoenix.

Use that in the office. You will get MUCH more useful experience with a quality sim than a micro heli.

Just saying......

[LaserSVT]

No.

The other thing I am thinking of is how long the mSRs motors last. The 4G3 is brushless so they will last way longer.

And Doc, as far as outflying it, IDK it may be pretty quick. I have my servo links at the advanced setting on my Axe and fly it at full speed through the office without letting up once for a whole pack with no issues. I realize the mSR is 5-6x faster but still... IOt just wont be a challenging bird to fly which is why I think I will get bored with it right away. If it takes practice for me to get a stable hover in the Walkera then I would play with it more.

[RookieOne]

The human mind is an amazing thing. Able to rationalize anything......

I give up..

I wish you the best with whatever you chose to do.

[stykthyn]

I WILL NEVER buy another Walkera again. dude for that price you can get into a T-REX clone and start hopping it up with Align parts as you go. I have not looked back once since leaving micros.

[LaserSVT]

Originally Posted by RookieOne

The human mind is an amazing thing. Able to rationalize anything......

I give up..

I wish you the best with whatever you chose to do.

Yup, I am an ass. I decided to go ahead and bid on the mSR after I posted. Unfortunatly its already up to the cost of the 4G3 and still rising.
There is another Stangnet member with a Novus CP with the brushless and head upgrade plus 5 batteries and a case he is offering for cheaper then the mSR so I guess in a week you will eaither be saying "I told you so" or "Huh, you actually got that thing to fly"
Ill bring my camera into work with me and I will post the very first flight so we can all have a good laugh as the carbon fibre blades crash into the file drawr and rip the head off the heli.

Originally Posted by stykthyn

I WILL NEVER buy another Walkera again. dude for that price you can get into a T-REX clone and start hopping it up with Align parts as you go. I have not looked back once since leaving micros.

Uh, I have a damn good T-Rex clone that has many Align parts on it... do you just randomly choose which posts to read?

Clay.

[stykthyn]

pretty much. you post so much I cant keep up with them all.

[LaserSVT]

Rookie, what are your smallest helis? They look pretty cool.

I think I am gonna order the better landing gear that makes the 4G less tail heavy and also get the fly bar weights as well that are supposed to help stabilize it for beginners. It doesnt have the brushless tail so I will wait till I blow the stock tail and then upgrade to the brushless one. Its supposed to make the heli much more stable too. Down side is all the batteries that it comes with will be useless cause they are all 10c batteries and with the dual brushless you need 15 or 20c batteries.

[LaserSVT]

I am buying into the hype!







And look how many times these idiots slam it into the ground!





And this is the upgraded landing gear and flybar weights I am talking about.

[RookieOne]

Originally Posted by LaserSVT

Rookie, what are your smallest helis? They look pretty cool.

I think I am gonna order the better landing gear that makes the 4G less tail heavy and also get the fly bar weights as well that are supposed to help stabilize it for beginners. It doesnt have the brushless tail so I will wait till I blow the stock tail and then upgrade to the brushless one. Its supposed to make the heli much more stable too. Down side is all the batteries that it comes with will be useless cause they are all 10c batteries and with the dual brushless you need 15 or 20c batteries.

The smallest Heli that I have, currently, is a mCX. I had a 4#3, but hated it (walkera fixed pitch), I had a Ikarau Piccolo a long time ago, and hated it as well.

The smallest CP heli that I have is a Gaui 200. I regret buying it, because I chose the gaui over the Trex 250, and that was a mistake. It's an alright little heli, but it's too small to really work on, it's too hard to route wires and use different batteries.....The tail design isn't the greatest, so it blows out pretty easy on aggressive maneuvers......

Look, I want to be PERFECTLY clear. The 4G3 will fly. I won't be all that surprised if you get it to fly. But it won't fly perfectly, it won't be as stable as you expect, and it won't be as robust as you think.

There are 2 rules of thumb in this hobby, that you need to experience before you believe them :

1. You typically get what you pay for.
2. Bigger is better, smaller is harder

No matter HOW you slice it, or how much hype there is out there, take a step back and look at what your going gaga for. $150 for a 2.4ghz radio, a small cp heli with all electronics, multiple batteries, and spares....

Do you REALLY think that it will end up being great quality???

Walkera's have ALWAYS been garbage bin quality. Walkera's have ALWAYS had awesome looking videos and persuading marketing material.

I'm just trying to help you avoid the money pit that Micros, and walkera, tend to be. You'll put $150 into it, and I'll be surprised if you walk away before you have ~$350 in. Additional motors, new blades, new landing gear, 4-in-1 replacement....etc. I've seen it happen to many....$20 here, $30 there....it adds up.

Sure...a pilot with GOOD skills can make a 4G3 look good. A pilot with GOOD mechanical skills can set a 4G3 up good....here is the kicker, I don't know many GOOD pilots that bother with micro's anymore. They just aren't worth it. Hell, I don't see anyone with skill really flying 250's at all, and only a few even fly 450's regularly. My 450's have become beaters that I take out when it's windy, or when I REALLY want to get agressive. Hell, I've started working on inverted blade strikes and cutting weeds when inverted with them, because I'm not concerned about crashing them at all.....

I'll quietly say it again, the single best investment one can make with RC Helis is a top notch, quality simulator. Getting plenty of practice on a simulator that has very realistic physics and controls is worth it's weight in gold.

[LaserSVT]

I ordered G4 this morning from a friend for $40 used.

Fact remains that I want something fun for in my office and something that gets me more used to fine motor controll and getting good at correcting a CP heli before it gets too out of controll.
It will be flown way more then anything else just cause I dont have the time to fly my 450 anymore and I just got the damn thing. (

[DocG2828]

Hmmmm.....I think I hear an addiction talking to me, not a rational mind.

Laser, when I mean outfly....I mean full 3d in your office space. I have no doubt that you are picking up the hobby quickly, but I still reserve skeptical thinking about how difficult flying a CP birdy really is.

You ever given any thought to a micro airplane? Those can be had pretty cheap and some are very stable at slow speeds. Nothing like buzzing your co-workers. Easier to fly too

Hell, I still play with my Air Hogs Aero Aces all the time. Wish they still made those!

[DocG2828]

My CX is so beat up, I think I need to give her a little TLC. I can still fly it with chipped blades and all tho LOL

[LaserSVT]

Well I just crashed my Axe for the first time in a long time. Snapped a lower rotor blade and the landing gear. Fortunatly I have extras at home. Its really the second or third time I smashed into something in a while and it was my fault for knowing the impact was gonna happen but me trying to power out of it and being at full power when the thing hit the wall.
I hate how little foreward thrust it has and when the wind grabs it there isnt much that can be done. Had it of been the mSR or 4G3 I would have been able to avoid the collision.

Im getting the 4G3 or Novus. I may regret it, I may not. If its too difficult then I will resell it for what I am paying easily enough and get the mSR.
I really think I will love it though and maybe more then my 450.
I wish I had the cash for the 4G6 with the shaft driven tail cause it seems to be well loved and is more stable then the 4G3. A few RC sites are talking about it and the guys that have theirs already really love the thing.

[LaserSVT]

Originally Posted by DocG2828

My CX is so beat up, I think I need to give her a little TLC. I can still fly it with chipped blades and all tho LOL

Yup, my little CX is pretty worn too but still flys great. Now I have some fixing to do.
I ordered a new set uf uppers and lowers as well as a new inner shaft. I have several extra blades but all are nicked and my inner shaft has a couple hundred flights on it with the modded blade holders/pivots and they have walloed out so the upper blade tracking is crap. Parts should be here this week but I will still fly it on the worn stuff.