[D.Hearne]

And why is there a date stamp of June 6 2007 on it ? And if not mistaken, his birth name wasn't Barack, it was Barry.

[D.Hearne]

Originally Posted by bigconig

Nope, - nice try at deflection though. Are you hoping none of your righty buddies realize how stupid you look calling a former Republican senator and Bush appointee from Georgia a "liberal Kalifornia Judge".

As to the article, I think it's basic conspiracy theorist crap. A bunch of uncited information from a long time right wing conspiracy theorist. I mean come on. She states that Obama "can not" be a natural born citizen because his father was not a US citizen. You guys are OK with someone just making sh¡t up to further their cause?

You guys are incredibly naive, I assume you also believe the moon landing was a hoax, bush planned 9-11 and the alien autopsy was real.

Since when were all republicans, conservative ? Just as not all democrats are liberals, so it goes for republicans. As for Barack's being a "natural born citizen" you'd better go and read the constitution again bro. Only a blind man could say he was after reading the requirements spelled out quite clearly in the document. His own Grandmother stated he was born in Kenya, he also was registered as a citizen of Indonesia when a child. But I Guess you've got a selective memory here to ignore these facts.

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

And still no birth certificate or any of the other information demanded of the transparent administration. FWIW, this is being appealed I think.

[D.Hearne]

How about some input on the Obamamoney giveaway in Detroit, Kelly ?

[jikelly]

What can I say? Wait, can I have some money too??

[strtrcr50]

Originally Posted by jikelly

And all it would take is a little of that transparency 0 ran on and release the documents..
By the way, welcome back Kell..

[bigconig]

Originally Posted by D.Hearne

Since when were all republicans, conservative ? Just as not all democrats are liberals, so it goes for republicans. As for Barack's being a "natural born citizen" you'd better go and read the constitution again bro. Only a blind man could say he was after reading the requirements spelled out quite clearly in the document. His own Grandmother stated he was born in Kenya, he also was registered as a citizen of Indonesia when a child. But I Guess you've got a selective memory here to ignore these facts.

Oh, I see. So you knew he was a Republican from Georgia. As a matter of fact, you know him so well, you are aware that his political leanings are liberal. Makes sense. We all know how much Georgia loves liberal Republican Senators, just look at the voting records of their senators. Of course Dubya was a real fan of liberals as well, must be why he appointed him to the federal court.(still not sure why you referred to him as a Kalifornia liberal though)

I guess I'm really out of my league. I had no idea you were a constitutional scholar. You should probably go ahead and point out where it mentions anything that would make Obama ineligible to be president. Don't bother with article 2 though. I'm familiar with that-

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Of course there is section 1401 of title 8 of the US code which states "a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is indeed a national and citizen of the United States at birth.

Obama was born in Hawaii, his mother was a citizen and he was eligible just as determined by the state department when he started his campaign and reaffirmed when the house voted on a resolution confirming this by a vote of 378 to 0

As far as Obabma's Grandmother saying he was born in Kenya, you obviously don't want to know the all facts, or you are deliberately avoiding them. This was the translated conversation with Obama's father's second wife (not his biological grandmother)

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

[poneypower89]

NOW, I'm not one to really give a crap about where Obama was born..

But I found this online which is dated 2004 when Obama was running for Senate and it states that Obama is from Kenya. (article is most likely fake... whatever)

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

I think it would be very interesting for someone to maybe use the "way-back machine" and dig up old articles on Obama from a few years ago just to see who reported what and when.

[sphinx]

Originally Posted by poneypower89

NOW, I'm not one to really give a crap about where Obama was born..

But I found this online which is dated 2004 when Obama was running for Senate and it states that Obama is from Kenya. (article is most likely fake... whatever)

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

I think it would be very interesting for someone to maybe use the "way-back machine" and dig up old articles on Obama from a few years ago just to see who reported what and when.

Awsome,
Looks like the media won him his senate seat too.

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was "truly outrageous" that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

[D.Hearne]

Originally Posted by bigconig

Oh, I see. So you knew he was a Republican from Georgia. As a matter of fact, you know him so well, you are aware that his political leanings are liberal. Makes sense. We all know how much Georgia loves liberal Republican Senators, just look at the voting records of their senators. Of course Dubya was a real fan of liberals as well, must be why he appointed him to the federal court.(still not sure why you referred to him as a Kalifornia liberal though)

I guess I'm really out of my league. I had no idea you were a constitutional scholar. You should probably go ahead and point out where it mentions anything that would make Obama ineligible to be president. Don't bother with article 2 though. I'm familiar with that-

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Of course there is section 1401 of title 8 of the US code which states "a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is indeed a national and citizen of the United States at birth.

Obama was born in Hawaii, his mother was a citizen and he was eligible just as determined by the state department when he started his campaign and reaffirmed when the house voted on a resolution confirming this by a vote of 378 to 0

As far as Obabma's Grandmother saying he was born in Kenya, you obviously don't want to know the all facts, or you are deliberately avoiding them. This was the translated conversation with Obama's father's second wife (not his biological grandmother)

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

If I spent as much time on the net as you obviously have, I too could come up with pages of "evidence" to dispute these claims. Who the hell is Ogombe ? And how can she be Obama's step mother and grandmother at the same time ? And how much was she paid to say that ? And Who is McCrea ? Then there's the FACT that Obama spent a million dollars keepinng his birth & school records secret (to this day) Why's that ? What's the big secret ? And GWB wasn't a true conservative, contrary to what you believe. He had lots of liberal leanings.(the amnesty bill for illegals for one) And to top that off, one of the reasons he appointed liberal leaning judges is because the Democrats were so successsful in blocking most of his appointments. There was dozens if not more judgeships left unfilled when he left office.

[6Stang7]

This is really sad. Someone makes an accusation, and then it become the responsibility of the accused to prove their innocents. I call it Beck's Logic, and it pisses me off to no end.

Jon Stewart hit the nail on the head: YouTube - Jon Stewart clarifies the "birther" movement logic (Stewart starts at ~0.23)

Look, I can understand that you are RELLY unhappy that Obama is president, but really? If the undecided voters are the ones who decided an election, this really doesn't help bring people over to your side. It's like you're clinging to anything to make Obama go away, and it looks pathetic.

I heard that Glen Back raped and murdered a little girl in 1990. I'm not saying this is true; I haven't heard any evidence for either case. I do know that he hasn't denied it. Very suspicious if you ask me.

[strtrcr50]

John McCain was forced to show his birth certificate by the dems. Now the administration of transparency just keeps spending money to keep a birth certificate and school records secret.
6stang7, you do know that the dems are still trying to say that the elections in 00 and 04 were stolen.

[sphinx]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

John McCain was forced to show his birth certificate by the dems. Now the administration of transparency just keeps spending money to keep a birth certificate and school records secret.
6stang7, you do know that the dems are still trying to say that the elections in 00 and 04 were stolen.

I don't think the birth certificate was an issue until the Dems tried to get McCain thrown out because he was born on a military base. Then it came to light that Obama was born in Kenya and they've been trying to cover it up ever since

[D.Hearne]

Originally Posted by 6Stang7

This is really sad. Someone makes an accusation, and then it become the responsibility of the accused to prove their innocents. I call it Beck's Logic, and it pisses me off to no end.

Jon Stewart hit the nail on the head: YouTube - Jon Stewart clarifies the "birther" movement logic (Stewart starts at ~0.23)

ANYONE who listens to Jon Stewart and takes everything he says as "gospel" is a frickin idiot. And it pleases me to no end that you're pissed off about Nobama and his "birther" problems. Just the use of the term "birther" tells me something's not kosher in Obama-land. That's one of the left's strategy when they have no realistic arguement to fight back with...............If you can't beat em, call em names. Another is to accuse your opponent of doing exactly what you're doing...............hence the Democrats asking to see McCain's birth certificate, then when it's their turn, they fire back with the name calling of those who insist on seeing Nobama's birth certificate, which he's kept hidden ever since.

[bigconig]

Originally Posted by sphinx

I don't think the birth certificate was an issue until the Dems tried to get McCain thrown out because he was born on a military base. Then it came to light that Obama was born in Kenya and they've been trying to cover it up ever since

Which Dems are you referring to? One wacky guy from New Hampshire files a subpoena and all of a sudden it's the "Dems". The senate declared, unanimously that McCain was eligible to run just as they did for Obama.

[D.Hearne]

Originally Posted by bigconig

One wacky guy from New Hampshire .

There they go again.......................

[strtrcr50]

Originally Posted by bigconig

Which Dems are you referring to? One wacky guy from New Hampshire files a subpoena and all of a sudden it's the "Dems". The senate declared, unanimously that McCain was eligible to run just as they did for Obama.

The difference is, McCain showed his birth CERTIFICATE. 0bama did not. Nor has he still to this point. And he just keeps spending money keeping his college application data secret. Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

[sphinx]

Heck, I thought he was a Kenyan.........

Illinois Army National Guard Maj. L. Tammy Duckworth sat in a wheelchair at the paper-strewn kitchen table in her suburban Chicago home doing what she seems to do better than most mortals: focusing totally on the task at hand.

She worked the phones for hours Wednesday as part of her effort to get herself elected to Congress — reaching out to dozens of mayors, union officials and everyday voters.

Somehow, she's able to stay focused and find humor simultaneously. She has a knack for instantly putting people at ease with what some call her disability — the fact that she lost both her legs in Iraq 418 days before.

Pausing between calls, Duckworth noted that her high-tech artificial legs were in the closet "charging up." What she called her "left stump" was propped up on the table.

"That's my way of kicking back," she said with an infectious laugh. "I know, the politically correct term is residual limb. But that's just way too many syllables, and I figure it's mine. I can call it what I want."

Duckworth's Iraq experience already is the stuff of American military lore.

On Nov. 12, 2004, her entire focus was on not losing consciousness while trying to safely land a Black Hawk helicopter. It had been blasted by a rocket-propelled grenade that exploded where Duckworth was seated. The maneuver was an impossible feat with two missing legs, a shattered right arm, and a multitude of other serious injuries.

Another pilot landed the helicopter. But Duckworth, not realizing how seriously she'd been hurt, kept her attention on the mission, passing out only when the Black Hawk was on the ground. Initially presumed dead, Duckworth remained unconscious for the next 10 days.

Her focus for the better part of 2005 included staying alive, undergoing intense therapy at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., and painstakingly learning to walk again on artificial legs.

She is on record as saying she's determined to fly helicopters again.

Duckworth knows that political pundits are focused on her. As a Democratic candidate in a historically Republican district trying to win the House seat being vacated by retiring Republican icon Henry Hyde, her 6th District race is becoming a Democratic Party priority and a talking point among political heavyweights.

"Very rarely have I met a more impressive person than Tammy Duckworth," said Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in an article the day before she announced her candidacy Dec. 18. "She just has the poise and exudes the type of character that I think would make her an astounding public servant."

Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have "a kama'aina connection."

Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively.

"The big thing for me is that I'm a McKinley High grad," said Duckworth. "That gives you a lot of street creds. I wasn't a rich kid."

Born in Bangkok on March 12, 1968, when her father was there working with a United Nations refugee program, Duckworth spent much of her childhood in Southeast Asian countries. Along with her parents, Franklin and Lamia Duckworth, and her younger brother, Tommy Duckworth, she arrived in Hawai'i at age 16. An honors student, she skipped ninth grade and graduated in 1985.

Richard Sakamoto, Duckworth's high school principal, remembers her as the sort of student any educator would hope to find in the classroom — multitalented, determined and bound for success.

"She was one of the best students, because of her determination," said Sakamoto, who had breakfast with Duckworth when she returned to Hawai'i in September to attend a wedding and to speak at a women's leadership conference.

"She was something else, very intelligent, very goal-oriented. She was an athlete. She participated in basketball, volleyball and track."

And according to Duckworth, she was and still is a girly girl. A photo of her looking stylish and feminine in a short satin dress appears in the 1985 McKinley High yearbook, for which Duckworth wrote the epilogue.

Another yearbook picture of her throwing a discus offers a different perspective. The accompanying caption reads: "Tammy Duckworth proves that females are more than equal to the task."

Duckworth, who holds a master's degree in international affairs from George Washington University in Washington, D.C., received a bachelor's degree in political science from the University of Hawai'i in 1989.

UH political science professor Ira Rohter said she was a noticeable presence even then.

"Here was somebody who stood out and was asking questions," said Rohter, who recalls having Duckworth in one of his courses.

"She was inquisitive. There was a critical analysis. She was one of those people who read the material and then would talk and argue with you about it."

Rohter said he's not surprised now to find Duckworth on the national stage.

"I think she has a sophisticated understanding of what's going on," he said. "I'm intrigued with what it is that she wants to accomplish."

On the local level in Illinois, Duckworth wants to accomplish the sorts of things that matter to the people in the 6th District — better education, higher-paying jobs for young graduates, and affordable healthcare.

And she isn't shy about speaking her mind on controversial subjects. Duckworth talks about what she sees as a lack of leadership in Washington, D.C., record federal debt and bad fiscal policies that benefit the rich.

"Invading Iraq was a mistake," she says on her Tammy Duckworth for Congress Web site. "We should have focused our military resources instead on pursuing the terrorists who attacked our country and on capturing Osama Bin Laden."

Once she was discharged from active duty in late December, Duckworth was no longer restricted from making political statements. She remains in the Illinois National Guard on a Continuation On Active Reserve status — one of two severely injured soldiers given that special status, she said.

Out of uniform, she'll say what's on her mind, taking her cues largely from those who know firsthand what she's been through.

"I have a lot of respect for that World War II generation who came back from the war and changed this country," said Duckworth, whose husband, Bryan Bowlsbey, is a captain in the Army National Guard.

"Sen. Daniel Inouye was in that generation. Bob Dole and John F. Kennedy were in that generation."

Duckworth's dad, a Marine who received a Purple Heart for wounds received in Okinawa and the driving influence of her life, was of that generation. He died of heart failure on Jan. 28, 2005.

His daughter has nothing but praise for her fellow soldiers in the Middle East who she says risk their lives daily, watch their buddies get killed, and then keep going the next day.

"What's happened is they've done their duty, but the politicians have failed them," she said.

Too many legislators don't have a personal stake in the decision process — their sons aren't serving, Duckworth said. And that's why she remains in the military.

"Because if I get into Congress, the next time they decide whether or not to send troops into battle, I want to be there to make that decision.

"At least my butt will be on the line. I'm not just going to send somebody else. I'm going to be sending myself."

As for those who might criticize her views as somehow unpatriotic, Duckworth said bring it on.

"I've already had an RPG blow up in my lap," she said. "After that, take your best shot. I'm going to get up and fight for what I think is right."

Duckworth working to win - The Honolulu Advertiser - Hawaii's Newspaper

[6Stang7]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

John McCain was forced to show his birth certificate by the dems. Now the administration of transparency just keeps spending money to keep a birth certificate and school records secret.
6stang7, you do know that the dems are still trying to say that the elections in 00 and 04 were stolen.

So? What's the point of all of that? If your argument is that the dems are being hypocrites then yea, you're right. I'm not a Democrat, nor am I arguing for them. Rather, I'm arguing for common sense.

Regardless of who does what, this Beck's Logic is wrong, and the fact that everyone seems to be so entrenched in their sides talking points rather then waking up and using their head is truly pathetic.

[6Stang7]

Originally Posted by D.Hearne

ANYONE who listens to Jon Stewart and takes everything he says as "gospel" is a frickin idiot. And it pleases me to no end that you're pissed off about Nobama and his "birther" problems. Just the use of the term "birther" tells me something's not kosher in Obama-land. That's one of the left's strategy when they have no realistic arguement to fight back with...............If you can't beat em, call em names. Another is to accuse your opponent of doing exactly what you're doing...............hence the Democrats asking to see McCain's birth certificate, then when it's their turn, they fire back with the name calling of those who insist on seeing Nobama's birth certificate, which he's kept hidden ever since.

Actually, what is sad is that the Daily Show is usually right if you do the research. Why is that sad? They are a COMEDIC SHOW!!!! You'll look down upon the Daily Show, which in no way tries to be a news show, but you'll watch and accept what the major news networks say. They are suppose to be the professionals, but we've seen anything but that from them minus a few reports (Shepard Smith for example).Don't take what Stewart says at face value, but rather listen to his argument and then fact check it yourself.

And when you take what Fox news (or MSNBC, CNN, etc) it's ok? I mean, have you researched this yourself? I take it that you have gotten all of your information first hand then, rather then from some other source? So, can you post it? It's not the birthers that piss me off, it that lack of using any common sense.

Come on D.Hearne, you're a smart guy, yet you seem to just regurgitate the right's talking points. Am I doing that with the Dem's? No. Just because my argument supports any one side doesn't mean I am arguing for that side.


I'd also like to point out that Glenn Beck has had his lawyer try and shut down the site DidGlennBeckRapeAndMurderAYoungGirlIn1990.com: Home Page. I'm not saying Glenn Beck did rape and murder a girl in 1990, but I do know that he hasn't proven that he didn't. Now he is trying to shut this site down. Very, VERY suspicious.




Please, all of you, think. Just think.

[6Stang7]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

The difference is, McCain showed his birth CERTIFICATE. 0bama did not. Nor has he still to this point. And he just keeps spending money keeping his college application data secret. Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

WHY DOES HE HAVE TO?!?!?!?!?!?!

Really. WTF?! I don't get this; I really don't. This is part of the reason why this country has been going down the ****ter.

Obama doesn't have to. You are asking him to prove his innocents; that is ass ****ing backwards.

You know this is America, right?

PROVE that he was born outside of the US. At that point, AND ONLY THAT POINT, should he have to show anything.

[strtrcr50]

Originally Posted by 6Stang7

WHY DOES HE HAVE TO?!?!?!?!?!?!

Really. WTF?! I don't get this; I really don't. This is part of the reason why this country has been going down the ****ter.

Obama doesn't have to. You are asking him to prove his innocents; that is ass ****ing backwards.

You know this is America, right?

PROVE that he was born outside of the US. At that point, AND ONLY THAT POINT, should he have to show anything.

Umm... Yes he does. Just like McCain, he has to prove eligibility. Just like my nephew when he joined the little league, he has to prove eligibility. This is not a court case where someone has to be proven guilty. What is your opinion on why 0bama has spent countless amounts of money keeping his college admission records secret and refuses to release a legitimate birth certificate?

[D.Hearne]

Originally Posted by 6Stang7

Actually, what is sad is that the Daily Show is usually right if you do the research. Why is that sad? They are a COMEDIC SHOW!!!! You'll look down upon the Daily Show, which in no way tries to be a news show, but you'll watch and accept what the major news networks say. They are suppose to be the professionals, but we've seen anything but that from them minus a few reports (Shepard Smith for example).Don't take what Stewart says at face value, but rather listen to his argument and then fact check it yourself.

And when you take what Fox news (or MSNBC, CNN, etc) it's ok? I mean, have you researched this yourself? I take it that you have gotten all of your information first hand then, rather then from some other source? So, can you post it? It's not the birthers that piss me off, it that lack of using any common sense.

Come on D.Hearne, you're a smart guy, yet you seem to just regurgitate the right's talking points. Am I doing that with the Dem's? No. Just because my argument supports any one side doesn't mean I am arguing for that side.


I'd also like to point out that Glenn Beck has had his lawyer try and shut down the site DidGlennBeckRapeAndMurderAYoungGirlIn1990.com: Home Page. I'm not saying Glenn Beck did rape and murder a girl in 1990, but I do know that he hasn't proven that he didn't. Now he is trying to shut this site down. Very, VERY suspicious.




Please, all of you, think. Just think.

See that's where you're wrong, contrary to what you say, you seem to treat the daily show as news. (otherwise you wouldn't have used it as a reference here)And I ignore the major news media, simply because they've ceased to be objective in their coverage, Fox News excepted. That's why more people watch Fox News. That's a FACT. And I don't regurgitate anything, I form my own opinions. Are they aligned with the right ? You Got that **** straight ! The only one here not thinking is you my friend. Get you head out of dark places. You might learn something.

[6Stang7]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

Umm... Yes he does. Just like McCain, he has to prove eligibility.

No, he doesn't. McCain didn't have to; he chose to. There is a difference.

There would need to be a legal reason as defined by law to force McCain to do it. If that is what happened to McCain, then the reason Obama hasn't is because the same legal standards were not meet.

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

Just like my nephew when he joined the little league, he has to prove eligibility.

Again, no he doesn't. I will get to this.

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

This is not a court case where someone has to be proven guilty.

Actually, if you want Obama to prove that he is a citizen, then it has to be a court case. First and foremost, running for president is, at the start, a legal matter of the state, not the federal government. Of all 50 states, none require you to prove that you are a natural born citizen, as defined in article II of the U.S. Constitution, to be on the ballot. You only have to prove it if someone legally challenges. No one has because no one can meet the burden of proof.

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

What is your opinion on why 0bama has spent countless amounts of money keeping his college admission records secret and refuses to release a legitimate birth certificate?

Fourth Amendment.

Also, if I were in Obama's shoes, I wouldn't because I don't need to acknowledge every single insane claim against me just because it has been brought up. If someone says the Earth is flat, it in no way means that we need to argue with them about it.

[D.Hearne]

What a hypocrite. Obama's above the law now that he's the prez ? You must keep his picture by your bedisde so he's the first thing you see when you wake up.