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10-22-09, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 6Stang7  Once again, I'm not arguing this point because I love Obama. I don't. I really, REALLY don't. I didn't vote for Obama. You somehow think that because I'm showing you that Obama did everything that was required of him to be on the ballot, that I MUST love him and be a liberal. Politics as usual I guess....  | Actually, I don't think that you voted for 0bama. If I had to guess, you are a libertarian and wrote in Ron Paul. Amirite? Gotta study for my foriegn language test(Java) tonight, but I'll be back later tonight.
In the meantime, using your logic. The Loch Ness monster is real. Prove he isn't. |
10-22-09, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by strtrcr50 Actually, I don't think that you voted for 0bama. If I had to guess, you are a libertarian and wrote in Ron Paul. Amirite? Gotta study for my foriegn language test(Java) tonight, but I'll be back later tonight.
In the meantime, using your logic. The Loch Ness monster is real. Prove he isn't. | I respected Ron Paul the most of all candidates, but I didn't vote for him. My vote was not voting for anyone. |
10-22-09, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 6Stang7 Your logic and way of thinking are what is destroying this country. We don''t just ignore laws whenever it seems convenient to. | But our current President does. And there's no one but us conservatives and Fox News to call him on it. I don't consider Obama the legitimate President as he's constantly flagrantly ignoring the law and the Constitution. As such, whatever law he signs is illegitimate in my eyes. And I'm not alone in this. I've done nothing to destroy this country, and I don't appreciate you saying that I have. My way of thinking is what built this country. And until recently is what has held this country together. YOUR way of thinking, in ignoring the fact that Obama refuses to open his records to PROVE he's a legitimate citizen, whether required by law or not, is what's destroying this country. |
10-24-09, 04:01 PM
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11-01-09, 03:39 PM
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6Stang7, I've looked everywhere I could and couldn't find anything that clearly stated that no proof of citizenship is required. Now, how about posting links to backup your "facts". I'd accept things that clearly state that proof of citizenship is not required. The lack of it being mentioned does not support your assertion that it is "fact". |
11-02-09, 11:55 AM
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Bump for 6stang7 linking to his "facts". |
11-03-09, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by strtrcr50 6Stang7, I've looked everywhere I could and couldn't find anything that clearly stated that no proof of citizenship is required. Now, how about posting links to backup your "facts". I'd accept things that clearly state that proof of citizenship is not required. The lack of it being mentioned does not support your assertion that it is "fact". |
I lol'd irl after reading that last line. Seriously. Your logic is flawed. If you are wanting me to link any government document that specifically says that one does NOT need to prove their citizenship, then yes, I can't do that. I can't link what doesn't exist. You are asking me to find a government document that says something along the lines of, "you do not need to prove your citizenship to us." The reason why I say that it is a fact that Obama does not need to prove his citizenship to run for president is because, on all the forums that he had to file to rune for president, NONE OF THEM SAID ANYTHING ABOUT PROVING CITIZENSHIP!
The fact something is NOT mentioned in a document DOES mean that you don't need to do it. Go and find the documents that you are required to file to run for president for each of the 50 states. If you find on any document that says you need to prove your citizenship (not just swear under oath that you are one, but show documentation to support it), then you'll prove me wrong.
Please don't take this personally, but you baffle me. You're argument is that since no government document specificity says that one does not need to prove their citizenship, that thereby means one does need to prove their citizenship.
IF PROVING YOUR CITIZENSHIP IS A REQUIREMENT TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, THEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND WHERE THAT IS STATED! IF IT IS NOT STATED ANYWHERE THAT YOU NEED TO PROVE YOUR CITIZENSHIP TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO PROVE IT TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT! Do presidential candidates have to prove their age and citizenship status? - By Christopher Beam - Slate Magazine  |
11-03-09, 08:56 PM
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Just as baffling that you think that the lack of it being mentioned makes it a "fact" that proof is not required.
Unless, of course, you are John McCain..
From your link, btw.. Quote: |
No. Ballot access rules vary by state, but in general, you don't have to prove eligibility unless someone challenges it.
| Also, the same article states that 0bama released his birth certificate. Which he clearly did not. What was that you were saying about bias in the media?
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11-04-09, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by strtrcr50 Just as baffling that you think that the lack of it being mentioned makes it a "fact" that proof is not required.
Unless, of course, you are John McCain..
From your link, btw..
Also, the same article states that 0bama released his birth certificate. Which he clearly did not. What was that you were saying about bias in the media? | The challenge is not a simple, "I call bs"; it's a legal challenge. There is a huge difference that you apparently don't grasp. From the same link: Quote: |
How do you challenge a candidate's eligibility for president or any other office? You have two options: report them to your secretary of state or take them to court. Some Secretary of State offices have investigation units that handle fraud, and investigations can lead to felony charges. Taking candidates to court is trickier. For one thing, you need "standing"—proof that the candidate's actions harm you. A federal judge ruled recently that ordinary citizens don't qualify for standing, and Congress would have to pass a law to change that. Political parties, on the other hand, might have a better chance in court, since they would clearly get hurt if an ineligible opponent won. | As I said, there is a legal burden of proof that must be meet. No one has meet the burned yet, thereby meaning that no one has challenged Obama's standing.
He did release what Hawaii provided him (go back and re-read the this thread). No one has legally proved it to be a fake, so until otherwise, it's real.
In all honesty, it sounds like your problem is accepting how the legal system works. You want the legal system to do "what's right". It doesn't work like that.
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11-06-09, 04:41 AM
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| |  "Burned of proof" What in the sam hill is that ?  It seems to me that Obama's birth records must have been "burned" sometime in his past, thus the reason he so far has not produced them for one and all to see. |
11-06-09, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by D.Hearne "Burned of proof" What in the sam hill is that ? It seems to me that Obama's birth records must have been "burned" sometime in his past, thus the reason he so far has not produced them for one and all to see. | It makes me happy to see that you have gotten to the point where you are correcting my typos; it's obvious that you know your argument is wrong. 
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11-06-09, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 6Stang7 It makes me happy to see that you have gotten to the point where you are correcting my typos; it's obvious that you know you're argument is wrong. | It's your, not you're.  |
11-06-09, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by strtrcr50 It's your, not you're. |  | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Rate This Thread |  Linear Mode | | 
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