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10-30-09, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jikelly  Huh??
Y'all are seroius aren't you?
The man is a duffus.
So if you believe everything Beck is saying you believe Obama is a racist, and you too are tired of the 9/11 families who shame us with their demands and victimhood.
You know I've come to think you guys are a lot more intellegent an honorable than that.
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I tend to believe that, judging Obama by his past actions and words, he IS racist....at least if you are to judge him by the definition of "Rascist" as the rest of us are judge by lately...
But, of course, thinking that makes me racists....doesn't it!?
So the worst you can come up with is that Beck believes Obama to be racist and a HuffingtonPost opinon piece?!?
Really?
Man, for all the bloviating that gets done regarding the evils and lies that Beck is responsible for, I'd of thought for SURE you would have had at least one concrete piece of evidence of a instance where he lied or clearly slandered someone.......Not merely a point of contention with HIS OPINION......
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10-30-09, 10:16 PM
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Beck vs Kelly. Who's the dufus ? Who has his own nationally televised program ? Who works for the GOVERNMENT that Beck is always pointing out is FILLED with leftists/communists? And you bigconig, you must be suffering from severe memory loss. You can't even recall what you posted 5 minutes ago. The only Morons here are you two. |
10-31-09, 08:15 AM
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pwnt ! |
11-02-09, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Venom351R I dont see you discredit anything that was brought forward in the videos.
See it happening again, the lefties dont want to discredit the information they want to discredit the messenger. | Nope, I don't think I addressed the videos at all. I only addressed the idiocy of Beck. That's all I set out to do.
Call it attacking the messenger if you wish, but I remind you that is a tactic that many use including the man you are defending in this thread. Quote: |
I find it funny that you call beck a duffus yet you miss spell intelligent lol
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11-02-09, 02:30 PM
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So, you hang Beck out to dry, but yet give 0bama a pass? |
11-02-09, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RookieOne
I tend to believe that, judging Obama by his past actions and words, he IS racist....at least if you are to judge him by the definition of "Rascist" as the rest of us are judge by lately...
But, of course, thinking that makes me racists....doesn't it!?
So the worst you can come up with is that Beck believes Obama to be racist and a HuffingtonPost opinon piece?!? | Well that's your opinion, and you are welcome to it. It is a free country and it doesn't make you a racist. Maybe just misinformed. Quote: |
Man, for all the bloviating that gets done regarding the evils and lies that Beck is responsible for, I'd of thought for SURE you would have had at least one concrete piece of evidence of a instance where he lied or clearly slandered someone.......Not merely a point of contention with HIS OPINION......
| But, I like bloviating.
Sorry, I'm sure I can easily dig up something, but I thought the couple examples would do. My heart wasn't totally into it I guess.
Here you go. Quote:
A Wednesday post on the White House blog by Jesse Lee, the White House's online programs director, challenged Beck's critique of Obama's Olympics-seeking trip to Copenhagen under the headline: "Reality Check: Trying to Turn a Point of Pride into a Moment of Shame."
It mentioned Beck's mistaken reference to losses Vancouver suffered hosting the Olympics. Vancouver won't host the Olympics until 2010, and Beck meant to say the Calgary Olympics. But the blog entry did not address the underlying point -- that the Olympics can be an economic drain on host cities.
The blog also rebutted a suggestion by a Beck guest that Obama confidante Valerie Jarrett had participated in a controversial August phone call that attempted to recruit artists to create works that promoted President Barack Obama's policies. The White House noted that Jarrett did not participate in the call. It did not point out that one of her aides did.
At the end of his post, Lee supplied a link to PolitiFact, a Pulitzer Prize-winning Web site that debunked claims that White House political director Patrick Gaspard had ties to ACORN, the community organizing group now under government scrutiny.
"For even more Fox lies," the blog stated, "check out the latest 'Truth-O-Meter' feature from PolitiFact that debunks a false claim about a White House staffer that continues to be repeated by Glenn Beck and others on the network."
A Fox representative referred the Associated Press to comments Beck made on his Wednesday and Thursday shows. On Wednesday, Beck kept up his criticism of Jarrett, though he did not repeat the claims denied by the White House. On Thursday, he conceded his mistake on Vancouver's Olympics. He then enumerated the financial challenges that city faces preparing for the games.
| White House says Fox News Channel lies  |
11-02-09, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by D.Hearne Beck vs Kelly. Who's the dufus ? Who has his own nationally televised program ? Who works for the GOVERNMENT that Beck is always pointing out is FILLED with leftists/communists? And you bigconig, you must be suffering from severe memory loss. You can't even recall what you posted 5 minutes ago. The only Morons here are you two. | The Texas government may be filled with leftists/communists, but at least it's not Louisiana. 
D.Hearne, why the personal attack?
Have I personally attacked/insulted you? |
11-02-09, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jikelly Well that's your opinion, and you are welcome to it. It is a free country and it doesn't make you a racist. Maybe just misinformed.
But, I like bloviating.
Sorry, I'm sure I can easily dig up something, but I thought the couple examples would do. My heart wasn't totally into it I guess.
Here you go. White House says Fox News Channel lies | Weeds man, we are in the weeds.
So, before we go ANY farther, let me ask you this question : Do you have a problem with the NEA having a conference call with Whitehouse staff regarding promoting the Whitehouse Agenda in NEA sponsored artwork?
The absolute jist of the Beck videos were the PRINCIPLES of this issues on its face. He merely played tape of the conference call where the Whitehouse staff were promoting pushing the agenda and they were exploring the "Legalities" of it.
Ok.....you got me, he may have pointed to a particular individual that wasn't involved...BUT THAT WASN'T THE POINT!
The point is that the NEA, a federally funded organization, is using their status and taxpayer funding to promote the Obama Agenda. If it were any republican president, you would be screaming bloody murder.......which was Beck's point.
So, are you accepting the problem merely to discredit the messenger on a technicality?
Again, it's a problem with PRECEDENCE. I ask, yet again, will you support such powers when a Republican Administration wants to use the NEA to promote THEIR agenda??? |
11-02-09, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RookieOne Weeds man, we are in the weeds.
So, before we go ANY farther, let me ask you this question : Do you have a problem with the NEA having a conference call with Whitehouse staff regarding promoting the Whitehouse Agenda in NEA sponsored artwork?
The absolute jist of the Beck videos were the PRINCIPLES of this issues on its face. He merely played tape of the conference call where the Whitehouse staff were promoting pushing the agenda and they were exploring the "Legalities" of it.
Ok.....you got me, he may have pointed to a particular individual that wasn't involved...BUT THAT WASN'T THE POINT!
The point is that the NEA, a federally funded organization, is using their status and taxpayer funding to promote the Obama Agenda. If it were any republican president, you would be screaming bloody murder.......which was Beck's point.
So, are you accepting the problem merely to discredit the messenger on a technicality?
Again, it's a problem with PRECEDENCE. I ask, yet again, will you support such powers when a Republican Administration wants to use the NEA to promote THEIR agenda??? | I clearly see your point.
I can honestly say that I don't know if I'd have a problem with the NEA promoting a republican president's agenda. It would depend on if I supported the president's education agenda/goals.
If the NEA is supporting goals not associated with education and instead promoting something like the reelection campaign of a president directly with taxpayer funds I'd have a huge problem with that.
I have no issue with Beck pointing out the things that some official does. If he is a real reporter then that is his job. I have a problem with Beck stretching the truth or outright misconstruing the facts. And, I have a problem with Beck. I don't trust the man to be a credible source of information. That is based on my assessment of his actions and his stated opinions. Honestly, I'm trying to convince you guys to reconsider his character and to ask yourselves if he is someone who is trustworthy and deserving of your admiration. |
11-02-09, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jikelly I clearly see your point.
I can honestly say that I don't know if I'd have a problem with the NEA promoting a republican president's agenda. It would depend on if I supported the president's education agenda/goals.
If the NEA is supporting goals not associated with education and instead promoting something like the reelection campaign of a president directly with taxpayer funds I'd have a huge problem with that. | Main Entry: double standard
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2 : a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another. double standard - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary Quote:
Originally Posted by jikelly I have no issue with Beck pointing out the things that some official does. If he is a real reporter then that is his job. I have a problem with Beck stretching the truth or outright misconstruing the facts. And, I have a problem with Beck. I don't trust the man to be a credible source of information. That is based on my assessment of his actions and his stated opinions. Honestly, I'm trying to convince you guys to reconsider his character and to ask yourselves if he is someone who is trustworthy and deserving of your admiration. | I don't recall anyone saying they admired the guy.
You know the easiest way to make him become inconsequential and go away would be to start disproving his stories. If he's lying and not a creditable source it should be pretty easy to show. Don't you think? I mean if he's lying all the time wouldn't it be alot easier to simply call him on what he says rather than the personal attacks? |
11-02-09, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bigconig 
And, no, Glenn, it's not just Sean Penn that wants a public option, it's the majority of Americans. | Do you have any underlying proof of this??? |
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11-03-09, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jikelly If the NEA is supporting goals not associated with education and instead promoting something like the reelection campaign of a president directly with taxpayer funds I'd have a huge problem with that.
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I'd actually be more inclined to be tolerant of the Education system promoting an agenda, as it typically becomes a pillar of an Administration, but there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for pushing politics with federal money through Art Grants.
So, with the clarification of what the NEA is, does that change your statement at all? |
11-03-09, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jikelly | Your cherry picking through the article.......
This : Quote: |
Overall, 45 percent of Americans favor the broad outlines of the proposals now moving in Congress, while 48 percent are opposed, about the same division that existed in August, at the height of angry town hall meetings over health-care reform. Seven in 10 Democrats back the plan, while almost nine in 10 Republicans oppose it. Independents divide 52 percent against, 42 percent in favor of the legislation.
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On the issue that has been perhaps the most pronounced flash point in the national debate, 57 percent of all Americans now favor a public insurance option, while 40 percent oppose it. Support has risen since mid-August, when a bare majority, 52 percent, said they favored it. (In a June Post-ABC poll, support was 62 percent.)
| So, more American's are opposed to the plan as it is now, but there is still a majority of American's that favor public option..
Giving the benefit of the doubt to the poll, what I take from that is that there is support for a public option, but not for THIS PLAN which is passing. Support for a concept is being construed into support for a particular plan, which is NOT SUPPORTED.
Oh yeah, I'm surprised their numbers aren't any higher given this : Quote: |
Only 20 percent of adults identify themselves as Republicans, little changed in recent months, but still the lowest single number in Post-ABC polls since 1983. Political independents continue to make up the largest group, at 42 percent of respondents; 33 percent call themselves Democrats.
| The polling pool is a bit skewed, don't ya think? |
11-03-09, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jikelly | I'm iffy on polls that don't specifically state how the poll was done. PolitiFact | Do polls show 'majority support' for health plan?
A very good article on the subject. It really depends on how the polls are conducted, but it appears that support for the public option isn't at 50%. |
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Education is a state controlled issue. We got this idea of "National Standards" starting under Bush Sr. then pushed forward under Clinton and the ball kept rolling. |
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Originally Posted by RookieOne You do understand that the NEA stands for the National Endowment of the Arts...and doesn't have anything to do with Education.
I'd actually be more inclined to be tolerant of the Education system promoting an agenda, as it typically becomes a pillar of an Administration, but there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for pushing politics with federal money through Art Grants.
So, with the clarification of what the NEA is, does that change your statement at all? | Ah, I was thinking it was the National Education Association. 
I don't know much about the Endowment for the Arts other than they are often drug into political battles. A lot of people see them as unnecessary and the NEA actively supports politicians who are favorable to their cause. Since I think their cause is valid I'll have to say I'd probably accept their supporting a presidents policies. Even if it was a republican whose policies they were in support of, just as long as it wasn't George Bush.  |
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Originally Posted by 6Stang7 | And your point is what ? |
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Originally Posted by jikelly The Texas government may be filled with leftists/communists, but at least it's not Louisiana.
D.Hearne, why the personal attack?
Have I personally attacked/insulted you? | I call em like I see em. And I was really referring to the current US government being run by communists. Can't really say about Texas, but I always hear that Austin is also filled with lefties. |
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Originally Posted by D.Hearne And your point is what ? | Remember when you told me that it was wrong to treat Jon Stewart as a source of information?  |
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Originally Posted by 6Stang7 Remember when you told me that it was wrong to treat Jon Stewart as a source of information? | The difference between Glenn and Jon, is Glenn does not rely nor broadcast on inaccurate information. A simple check of his facts will attest to that. |
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Originally Posted by jikelly | Quote:
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 42% now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s down from 45% a week ago but unchanged from two weeks ago.
Fifty-four percent (54%) now oppose the legislative effort, up three points since last week.
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