[strtrcr50]

WASHINGTON — Independents who swept Barack Obama to a historic 2008 victory broke big for Republicans on Tuesday as the GOP wrested political control from Democrats in Virginia and New Jersey, a troubling sign for the president and his party heading into an important midterm election year.

Conservative Republican Bob McDonnell's victory in the Virginia governor's race over Democrat R. Creigh Deeds and moderate Republican Chris Christie's ouster of unpopular New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine was a double-barreled triumph for a party looking to rebuild after being booted from power in national elections in 2006 and 2008.



Read more at: New Jersey Election Results: Chris Christie Beats Jon Corzine

I also got a kick out of this quote.

The president had personally campaigned for Deeds and Corzine, seeking to ensure that independents and base voters alike turned out even if he wasn't on the ballot – and voters still rejected them. Thus, the losses were blots on Obama's political standing to a certain degree and suggested potential problems ahead as he seeks to achieve his policy goals, protect Democratic majorities in Congress and expand his party's grip on governors' seats next fall

To those who say that the american public doesn't trust republicans, here's your wake up call. 2 democrat states voting in repubs. The 2010 elections should be interesting. It will be even funnier if the dems end up forcing health care through before the election. I guess they didn't learn from the assault weapons ban.

Oh, and let me not forget..

[jikelly]

Republicans suck!! People put all this belief in them and then realize they just voted in the same old crappy, self-centered, politicians.

[Reimann]

People get tired of the Democrats so they vote in the Republicans. They then get tired of the Republicans so they vote in the Democrats. They then get tired of the Democrats so they vote in the Republicans...

[strtrcr50]

Originally Posted by jikelly

Republicans suck!! People put all this belief in them and then realize they just voted in the same old crappy, self-centered, politicians.

Kind of like our current president expanding warrantless wiretapping? 2010 will be a great year.

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

Kind of like our current president expanding warrantless wiretapping? 2010 will be a great year.

You're scaring me.

[strtrcr50]

Originally Posted by jikelly

You're scaring me.

Why's that? I'm sure 0bama will end up being a great president. Just look at his record as a senator sponsoring landmark legislation and making decisive votes.

[rbohm]

Originally Posted by jikelly

Politicians suck regardless of party!! People put all this belief in them and then realize they just voted in the same old crappy, self-centered, politicians.

fixed it for you.

[sphinx]

Originally Posted by jikelly

Politicians suck regardless of party!! People put all this belief in them and then realize they just voted in the same old crappy, self-centered, politicians.

Originally Posted by rbohm

fixed it for you.

I heard someone on the radio talking the other day about "Operation Clean Slate" Didn't have much luck googling it, but it did sound like a good idea. Basically the deal is you don't vote for any encumbent all the way down to local level. If they are running unopposed, you write someone in.

[strtrcr50]

Originally Posted by sphinx

I heard someone on the radio talking the other day about "Operation Clean Slate" Didn't have much luck googling it, but it did sound like a good idea. Basically the deal is you don't vote for any encumbent all the way down to local level. If they are running unopposed, you write someone in.

As I posted in another thread, we have been talking about this in NJ for quite some time. It's called GRIP. Get Rid of Incumbent Politicians.
GRIP - Get Rid of Incumbent Politicians

[jikelly]

Maybe we should just hold lotteries and if you win you get sent to Washington to serve in congress. Maybe require that you be a high school grad above a certain age and own a home. Would that be discriminatory?

[strtrcr50]

Originally Posted by jikelly

Maybe we should just hold lotteries and if you win you get sent to Washington to serve in congress. Maybe require that you be a high school grad above a certain age and own a home. Would that be discriminatory?

Yes... Thanks for playing, try again. And FWIW, I don't think I know better than the founding fathers. I think I'll stick with a vote. I would just like to see fradulent groups like ACORN removed from the mix and affecting the vote of the public.

[strtrcr50]

In fact, didn't 0 do just that with his ACORN redlighting case?

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

Yes... Thanks for playing, try again. And FWIW, I don't think I know better than the founding fathers. I think I'll stick with a vote. I would just like to see fradulent groups like ACORN removed from the mix and affecting the vote of the public.

Yeah I can see your point. It just seems like it's all so far out of hand that it's ridiculous. Do you believe the people representing you in congress are actually representing you?

As far as fraudulent groups like ACORN being removed from the mix, maybe we should remove the Republican and Democratic parties too. You know the work hard behind the scenes to affect who votes when and for whom.

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

In fact, didn't 0 do just that with his ACORN redlighting case?

??????

[strtrcr50]

Originally Posted by jikelly

As far as fraudulent groups like ACORN being removed from the mix, maybe we should remove the Republican and Democratic parties too. You know the work hard behind the scenes to affect who votes when and for whom.

Maybe when they are caught turning in fraudulent voter registrations.

[rbohm]

i think what needs to happen is that we reset how senators are sent to washington. it needs to go back to the old way of doing it where the state legislatures send the senators rather than the people voting for them.

we also need to go to washington for a two step voting process for congress this time, bullets then ballots. anyone who survives the first round is welcome to try the second round.

[wytstang]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

I also got a kick out of this quote.

To those who say that the american public doesn't trust republicans, here's your wake up call. 2 democrat states voting in repubs. The 2010 elections should be interesting. It will be even funnier if the dems end up forcing health care through before the election. I guess they didn't learn from the assault weapons ban.

Oh, and let me not forget..

Obama campaigned for 2 dems and they lost, he doesn't campaign in NY and they win Blue dogs will turn on O and health care for this.

[BlackArtemis]

Originally Posted by jikelly

Republicans suck!! People put all this belief in them and then realize they just voted in the same old crappy, self-centered, politicians.

Honestly dude, I have watched over the last two years your comments degenerate further and further until this. Now you are no better than people who say "LOL libtards!"

You can do better than this.

WE have been failed by republicans and democrats alike.

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by BlackArtemis

Honestly dude, I have watched over the last two years your comments degenerate further and further until this. Now you are no better than people who say "LOL libtards!"

You can do better than this.

WE have been failed by republicans and democrats alike.

Thanks for noticing. Sure we've been burned by both parties, but it was the republicans that won and have these guys so pleased.

They are hoping this will lead to more repubs in congress. Considering all their let's not do anything, not even fully admit there are any problems that need addressing, that is the absolute last thing we need to have happen.

Not to mention the punks had a good 6 years of having everything "their" way and what happened??

We got crapped on while the world went to poop.

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[strtrcr50]

Originally Posted by jikelly

They are hoping this will lead to more repubs in congress. Considering all their let's not do anything, not even fully admit there are any problems that need addressing, that is the absolute last thing we need to have happen.

Not to mention the punks had a good 6 years of having everything "their" way and what happened??

We got crapped on while the world went to poop.

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Considering the democrats don't need a single republican to get something passed, let's give it a rest about about nothing getting done. If the dems really want to do something, they can do it all on their own. They just choose not to.
As far as the last six years, I am of the opinion that more damage has been done this year than in the last 6 years combined. Just wait till cap and tax goes into effect and you are paying over $4 a gallon for gas again. However, IIRC, you support high gas prices when it's not Bush.
As far as the world going to poop, you really don't pay too much attention to what's going on, do you? I'm sure it is a cooincidence that Russia is practicing a full out attack against Poland now that we have agreed to dismantle the missile defennse system and got nothing in return.
The public tide is turning. Look at the generic '10 polls. If the dems pass 0bamacare, they will get routed from congress in record numbers. If they don't they will still lose enough seats to end their reign of terror.

Just 15% of voters now give Congress good or excellent ratings, while most (53%) rate the legislature as poor. Those ratings have held relative steady for the past few months but are noticeably worse than those found in May. At that time, 23% gave Congress positive ratings while 44% rated its performance as poor.

Forty-two percent (42%) of voters see most members of Congress as corrupt, the highest level measured in over a year. Thirty-seven percent (37%) say most congressmen are not corrupt, while another 21% are undecided.

Thirty-four percent (34%) of voters now say the United States is heading in the right direction, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

Voter confidence in America’s conduct of the War on Terror has fallen to its lowest level since the first week of January in 2007. Voters are also much less optimistic about the course of the war in Iraq.

Voters continue to have a pessimistic view about America's future relationship with the Muslim world, as the war worsens in Afghanistan and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ends a troubled visit to Pakistan.

Voters for the first time are blaming President Obama nearly as much as President Bush for the country’s continuing economic problems.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 49% still blame the economic situation on the recession that began under Bush. But 45% now say the nation’s economic problems are caused more by Obama’s policies.

The house of cards is falling down. People are starting to see that voting for a catchphrase and against someone who wasn't runninng might not have been the best idea in the world. And 0bama shows no signs of listening to the people who voted him in. I've lived in NJ most of my life and to see it go red was quite a shock!

[strtrcr50]

Some great pictures from an 0bama protest in San Francisco of all places.

You do know who worldcantwait.org is, right?

Just remember dems, dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

Just 'cause I know you'll love these ones.


Really?? In San Fransisco??

[jikelly]

Originally Posted by strtrcr50

Considering the democrats don't need a single republican to get something passed, let's give it a rest about about nothing getting done. If the dems really want to do something, they can do it all on their own. They just choose not to.

The sad truth is that we need the republicans too. Without at least some support from them it's going to be much harder to get what's needed done.

From the git go many of the republican/"conservatives" on this forum decided Obama was the devil and they weren't going to give him a chance. The democratic congress you hated long before he came along. Our republican reps in congress and elsewhere are taking the "just say no" approach to everything. Since they don't have majority in any branch of government they are throwing wrenches into everything. How can they do that when they have no political power?? By affecting public opinion and making it hard for the democrats to support the president's agenda.

We need to change the way we do health care, and social security, and climate change, and promoting job growth, and... I could go on forever. The approval rating of congress is in the toilet. Why? Because they aren't doing the things we need.

As far as the last six years, I am of the opinion that more damage has been done this year than in the last 6 years combined.

Ok, if all you consider to be important is the budget deficit, then sure.

People are starting to see that voting for a catchphrase and against someone who wasn't runninng might not have been the best idea in the world. And 0bama shows no signs of listening to the people who voted him in. I've lived in NJ most of my life and to see it go red was quite a shock!

I'm not going to say NJ has gone red just because the elected a republican as governor. When the republicans sweep all state and congressional seats for NJ you can come back and talk to me. Hopefully all your Obama hate can make that happen.

[strtrcr50]

Well, we'll see next year as far as the sweep. The fact remains, you don't NEED the repubs to get anything done. Anything that the dems choose to pass will pass. They will just happen to lose their jobs next year because the public is not in agreement with the agenda trying to be passed. Even Nancy Pelosi has said she is ready to lose seats over forcing through an agenda the American public doesn't want.
And no, I'm not just considering the defecit when I say the current admin has done more damage this year than in the last 8. I'm considering world standiing, the economy overall, unemployment, etc...

FWIW, I think you are a little off on my "0bama hate". I'd love to even see an artificial bubble to boost the economy for a little while. However, the current policies seem to be more designed to "knock America back down to size". You will never be the winner if you don't try to win. You'll always be in the back if you just try to make everyone happy, while at the same time, ignoring your own happiness.
The fact remains. The United States general population is turning against 0bama and his "socialist mop". Looks like the general population is not saying they should also pick up a socialist mop and mop with him, but rather replace both the mopper and the mop.

[rbohm]

Originally Posted by jikelly

Thanks for noticing. Sure we've been burned by both parties, but it was the republicans that won and have these guys so pleased.

They are hoping this will lead to more repubs in congress. Considering all their let's not do anything, not even fully admit there are any problems that need addressing, that is the absolute last thing we need to have happen.

Not to mention the punks had a good 6 years of having everything "their" way and what happened??

We got crapped on while the world went to poop.

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actually i am hoping that the issues we face now will lead to more conservatives in congress regardless of party affiliation. the problem with the republicans over the last 8 years is that too many of them were democrat light. they so wanted to be accepted in washington by the liberals that they became liberals to fit in. had they stuck to their conservative base, like they did in 1994, the republicans would still be running congress, and many of the problems we face today would not be around. for the record i am just as pissed at the republican party as i am at the democrat party. both sides of the isle are screwing things up.

Originally Posted by jikelly

The sad truth is that we need the republicans too. Without at least some support from them it's going to be much harder to get what's needed done.

the only reason the democrats are trying to get at least token support from the republicans is so that when the things they are doing now turn to crap, they can claim that they had bipartisan support.

From the git go many of the republican/"conservatives" on this forum decided Obama was the devil and they weren't going to give him a chance. The democratic congress you hated long before he came along. Our republican reps in congress and elsewhere are taking the "just say no" approach to everything. Since they don't have majority in any branch of government they are throwing wrenches into everything. How can they do that when they have no political power?? By affecting public opinion and making it hard for the democrats to support the president's agenda.

i wasnt going to support obama because i knew early on that he was a marxist just by the language he used. buzz words like spread the wealth, economic justice, green energy and jobs, etc. all point to someone who wants big government in charge of everything. as for the republicans taking the just say no approach, you still dont get it. the republicans HAVE
put forth alternatives, but the democrats have either ignored them, or defeated them every time, and then use the willing media to proclaim the republicans as the party of no. so much for bipartisanship from the democrats. as for the republicans affecting public opinion, yes they are by putting the truth out for the public to see. it is hard though when only conservative talk radio and fox news are the only mediums where the republicans have any real voice. in the end it is the people who have to make up their minds, and they are not stupid. they see what is going on and that things are getting worse not better despite what the democrats have said. even you recognize this.

just because pelosi is willing to sacrifice democrat seats in the house and senate to get what she wants, doesnt mean other democrats are willing to do the same thing. and those democrats that won in traditional republican seats are not going to sacrifice their hold on the office to pass an expensive health care bill that will only further damage the economy.

We need to change the way we do health care, and social security, and climate change, and promoting job growth, and... I could go on forever. The approval rating of congress is in the toilet. Why? Because they aren't doing the things we need.

you are right, we do need to make changes in the health insurance system, and social security, and medicare and medicaid, and in energy use. we also need to promote job growth, and you are right congress is not doing what needs to be done in these areas, but then the democrats really dont care what the people want, they only care about their own power, and what they want. we need tort reform, and true competition in the insurance industry, and we need lower taxes on business to encourage job growth, and we need a proper energy policy that will encourage the use of all forms of energy that we have available and can develop. and i could go on and on, but there is no room.

I'm not going to say NJ has gone red just because the elected a republican as governor. When the republicans sweep all state and congressional seats for NJ you can come back and talk to me. Hopefully all your Obama hate can make that happen.

since it was only the governorship that was up for election this time, we will have to wait and see what happens in the state assembly. but if christie can start getting things done, you can bet that republicans will get their people into the state assembly.

as for hating obama, i dont hate him, i have given up on hate as it only tears me up and does nothing to the other person. i dont know whether i like him or not as i have never met him in person. i dont like his politics and his policies though, just like you and i are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. that however does not preclude us from being friends. i have a lot of friends that i disagree with politically, and i have a lot of people i dont like that i agree with politically. in the end i pick my friends based on their character not on their politics.

[strtrcr50]

Let me try this JIKelly method..

From the git go many of the republican/"conservatives" on this forum decided Obama was the devil and they weren't going to give him a chance.

I really tried to like 0bama and gave him my best faith effort, but he just turned out to be another Jimmy Carter and let me down at every step. Remind you about your posts about McCain?