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11-05-09, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by COramprat  I'll freakin' say it. I'm sorry but Islamic extremists have infiltrated everywhere. Time to start taking a real close look at "converts". Seems they are the ones who end up in all these situations. | If you want more info on this subject, you should read this book - Macmillan: Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America Brigitte Gabriel: Books
It's an eye opener.
It will scare the crap out of you.
Also type her name in youtube and check out some of her speeches. |
11-05-09, 08:12 PM
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****ty day here in ft hood.
im good, everyone in my unit is as well, cant say the same for our sister battalion in that most of the wounded came from them.
day of mourning tomorrow, donating some blood and gonna help the families out |
11-05-09, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by trance ****ty day here in ft hood.
im good, everyone in my unit is as well, cant say the same for our sister battalion in that most of the wounded came from them.
day of mourning tomorrow, donating some blood and gonna help the families out | Sorry man.
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11-05-09, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by COramprat I'll freakin' say it. I'm sorry but Islamic extremists have infiltrated everywhere. Time to start taking a real close look at "converts". Seems they are the ones who end up in all these situations. | Thank you for not being politically correct.........
It is what it is. |
11-05-09, 08:54 PM
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horrible situation there, good to hear from members that are stationed there.
odd thing, msnbc has a pic of the guy and he looks oddly enough like Private Pyle from Full Metal Jacket. |
11-05-09, 09:20 PM
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Wonder why they worked so hard on saving him? Interrogation maybe? |
11-05-09, 10:32 PM
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it is officially a terrorist attack now he was under investigation. Trance god bless u bro
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11-05-09, 10:36 PM
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im so pissed. A company of the boys i support was down there. I hope he enjoys hell he was a shrink and a co for christ's sake.
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11-05-09, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by trance ****ty day here in ft hood.
im good, everyone in my unit is as well, cant say the same for our sister battalion in that most of the wounded came from them.
day of mourning tomorrow, donating some blood and gonna help the families out | Props to you man. Sad, very sad. Quote:
Originally Posted by dew22 Thank you for not being politically correct.........
It is what it is. |
Do we have any evidence that supports the assumptions of not being politically incorrect?
I can not say this was not some underground terrorist attack. But for those assumptions to be made based on what I've read so far...it saddens me that you all would make that conclusion. No politics here...just humanity. Some whack job shoots up a base...possibly several whack jobs....
Sorry, the info so far seems to point that one of our own dedicated soldiers went whack job on us.
So if you want to point a finger....point it at us.  |
11-05-09, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Strype it is officially a terrorist attack now he was under investigation. Trance god bless u bro
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Link?
Well a link that supports that it was an attack from someone coerced beyond our borders? That would actually be a terrorist attack.
Really, please prove me wrong. I am ok with that. But am I wrong for wanting solid proof that someone is attacking me before wanting to attack back?
I can assume everything is a terrorist attack....call in Homeland. Tap phone lines, all that BS that everyone hates.
Nah, prove to me that this was not a PTSD soldier. Prove to me that after all these years of Homeland Security protecting my airports.....and all that good stuff....prove to me that after all those precautions....we happened to let a terrorist slip thru our midst. And we let him in our military....we gave him weapons....we gave him explosives....
Any way you look at it....something failed. Excuse me if I'd like to think that all this Homeland BS had a purpose and we simply failed our soldiers and their mental health.
You tell me? |
11-05-09, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DocG2828 Props to you man. Sad, very sad.
Do we have any evidence that supports the assumptions of not being politically incorrect?
I can not say this was not some underground terrorist attack. But for those assumptions to be made based on what I've read so far...it saddens me that you all would make that conclusion. No politics here...just humanity. Some whack job shoots up a base...possibly several whack jobs....
Sorry, the info so far seems to point that one of our own dedicated soldiers went whack job on us.
So if you want to point a finger....point it at us. | Whatever. I guess I am profiling or something equally bad.
I hear the guys name and my first thought is "terrorist". Then I think I shouldn't think that and lets see what happens. Then I hear these quotes: Quote:
"He said, 'Maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor." At first we thought he was talking about how Muslims should stand up and help the armed forces in Iraq and in Afghanistan, but apparently that wasn't the case."
"He would make comments to other individuals about how we should not be in the war in the first place… He made those comments and he stuck strongly to his faith, but, as soldiers we have a duty to follow orders from our commander in chief and our political views are set aside."
"He was hoping that President Obama would pull troops out. ... When things weren't going that way he became more agitated, more frustrated with the conflicts over there. ... He made his views well known about how he felt about the U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan."
| and I think that my first thought was right. |
11-05-09, 11:01 PM
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And he's alive too... Doc he was under investigation for 6 months. He spewed his filth on the internet. He talked about suicide bombings and stuff. Its all over the news. |
11-05-09, 11:07 PM
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An O6 is saying that he worked with him recently and he was spouting off that "the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor" and "we shouldn't be in this war" and when there was another shooting in Arkansas he was happy and said "Muslims should do tis and stand up against the aggressor." Major Hasan was a CONVERT to ISLAM.
The Colonal told him to button it up this isn't the time for your political persuasions. He also talked about "Maybe more muslims should strap bombs to themselves."
That sorry stupid SOB.  |
11-05-09, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by COramprat I'll freakin' say it. I'm sorry but Islamic extremists have infiltrated everywhere. Time to start taking a real close look at "converts". Seems they are the ones who end up in all these situations. | My initial thoughts, as soon as I heard that it was at the readiness center was with terrorism but I kept my mouth shut. Then when I heard his name I was thinking... Yep I bet its terrorism.
And behold.
This is what we are fighting people.
ps: The White House immediately said around 4:30 central time that it was NOT terrorism. I just want that on the books. I was listening to news radio on the drive home.
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11-05-09, 11:28 PM
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Like I said, I am not against evidence against me. Of course my original thoughts still stand....perhaps not in this case, but we do need to attend more to our returning soldiers. I do not condone based on a name....but if our ****ing government was tracking this guy for 6 months and he was within our own military....yet I can say kill Obama right now and probably have agents on my doorstep by morning.
But in this case.....hmmmm....
if we had a double agent basically.....which it seems like ur posts are supporting that.
Why is it that our resources are spent monitoring all of us....but when we have a soldier that is posting up these types of messages, it didn't get caught? That's pretty disturbing to me.
Like I said before, hoped it wasn't something like this. I wanted to give our govt the benefit of the doubt. Well the benefit of spending resources protecting our borders but not necessarily giving a **** about within them.
Seems I was proven wrong. Our govt has failed both. And please do not blame the current admin....we all know this failure started long ago. I'm not blaming any party or anything. But this is where our govt has failed us for at least 8 years and beyond. |
11-05-09, 11:44 PM
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Doc, if you get this thread moved to FC then I will get all your threads moved there.   |
11-06-09, 07:35 AM
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Doc.
I understand where you are coming from and I appreciate your heart……..BUT  ……………Considering that less than 1/3 of 1% of our military is Muslim, the current world environment, etc. etc……………………..The odds are overwhelming.
The fact is, no matter how overwhelming the odds or how obvious the circumstantial evidence, it’s not politically correct to say what C0ramprat said, and that my friend is ridiculous.
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11-06-09, 08:07 AM
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FWIW, CNN had a profile on the shooter up last night. He was never deployed overseas. He immigrated here from Jordan(95% muslim). I would suspect this is more of a case of a radical mosque in the US being the influence for the shooting. |
11-06-09, 08:15 AM
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Doc,
Thanks for trying to bring sanity to this thread.
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11-06-09, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DocG2828 Like I said, I am not against evidence against me. Of course my original thoughts still stand....perhaps not in this case, but we do need to attend more to our returning soldiers. I do not condone based on a name....but if our ****ing government was tracking this guy for 6 months and he was within our own military....yet I can say kill Obama right now and probably have agents on my doorstep by morning.
But in this case.....hmmmm....
if we had a double agent basically.....which it seems like ur posts are supporting that.
Why is it that our resources are spent monitoring all of us....but when we have a soldier that is posting up these types of messages, it didn't get caught? That's pretty disturbing to me.
Like I said before, hoped it wasn't something like this. I wanted to give our govt the benefit of the doubt. Well the benefit of spending resources protecting our borders but not necessarily giving a **** about within them.
Seems I was proven wrong. Our govt has failed both. And please do not blame the current admin....we all know this failure started long ago. I'm not blaming any party or anything. But this is where our govt has failed us for at least 8 years and beyond. | 
The main purp was an officer. The dude was in the military for years. I have said before I don't think a whole lot of the Islamic faith, but I'm not going to say if your a Muslim or your name sounds like Hussein, you must be a terrorist.
Still, I wish the Army would have done something about this officer's "problem" and prevented this needless attack on our own people. Course what could they have actually done besides watch him more closely? |
11-06-09, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Strype An O6 is saying that he worked with him recently and he was spouting off that "the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor" and "we shouldn't be in this war" and when there was another shooting in Arkansas he was happy and said "Muslims should do tis and stand up against the aggressor." Major Hasan was a CONVERT to ISLAM.
The Colonal told him to button it up this isn't the time for your political persuasions. He also talked about "Maybe more muslims should strap bombs to themselves."
That sorry stupid SOB. | Ok, wouldn't this be enough to get him the F out of there?
It's defiantly a sad situation what happened. Whats even more sad is it seems like it could of been prevented  |
11-06-09, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jikelly
The main purp was an officer. The dude was in the military for years. I have said before I don't think a whole lot of the Islamic faith, but I'm not going to say if your a Muslim or your name sounds like Hussein, you must be a terrorist. | On the other hand, if you are a terrorist, it's a pretty good bet you are a muslim. Waiting for Timothy McVeigh in 3,2,1... Quote:
Originally Posted by jikelly Still, I wish the Army would have done something about this officer's "problem" and prevented this needless attack on our own people. Course what could they have actually done besides watch him more closely? | One could apply that same logic to 9/11.
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11-06-09, 08:49 AM
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Okay his cousin says that he was ALWAYS MUSLIM and that the report of him being a convert is wrong. His cousin said he was born and raised in Virginia.
And Doc I must have missed something, I didn't read most of the first page I was just sending out what I saw on the news  |
11-06-09, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jikelly
The main purp was an officer. The dude was in the military for years. I have said before I don't think a whole lot of the Islamic faith, but I'm not going to say if your a Muslim or your name sounds like Hussein, you must be a terrorist. | No one is saying that, but if you have a Muslim officer shooting up his American comrades in today's environment it's worth mentioning and it's not a stretch to assume a connection. In fact it's naive not to. |
11-06-09, 12:15 PM
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IMHO this goes back to what I was saying about PREJUDICE vs. RACISM.
It is prejudice to say that due to this guy's name and the fact that he shot many people that he was likely a terrorist. But that is not a racist comment. A racist comment would be to say that anyone with a name like that shouldn't be allowed in the military because they are all terrorists.
Prejudice isn't always bad. It's survival. It is rational. Look---->
Out of all the pets in the world, pit bulls have a higher rate of biting and/or killing. It's fact. So when I see a kid bleeding and a pitbull standing next to him is it wrong for me to assume that the child is being mauled by a pit bull?
It's not a stretch. It's common sense. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Rate This Thread |  Linear Mode | | 
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