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11-06-09, 02:13 PM
|  | GRROWLL | | Join Date: April 2005 Location: Apache Junction, Arizona. USA
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Play nice.  |
11-06-09, 05:41 PM
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11-06-09, 07:55 PM
|  | pardon my stupidity | | Join Date: June 2007 Location: 4th level of hell, Texas
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Originally Posted by FrankenStang  |  It will be a media event if the military allows the court proceedings to be broadcasted |
11-07-09, 08:55 AM
|  | 5th graders > me | | Join Date: September 2005 Location: Cincinnati area
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Originally Posted by FrankenStang | Ur exactly right. I shall keep my focus on this plain fact. |
11-08-09, 06:54 PM
|  | the HIV ct | | Join Date: June 2006 Location: Previously from Dirty Jerzey exit 7a
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Alleged shooter tied to mosque of 9/11 hijackers
By PAMELA HESS (AP) – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON — The alleged Fort Hood shooter apparently attended the same Virginia mosque as two Sept. 11 hijackers in 2001, at a time when a radical imam preached there.
Whether the Fort Hood shooter associated with the hijackers is something the FBI will probably look into, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.
The family of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army psychiatrist who killed 13 and wounded 29 at the Texas military base, held his mother's funeral at the Dar al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Va., on May 31, 2001, according to her obituary in the Roanoke Times newspaper.
At the time, Anwar Aulaqi was an imam, or spiritual leader, at the Washington-area mosque. Aulaqi told the FBI in 2001 that, before he moved to Virginia in early 2001, he met with 9/11 hijacker Nawaf al-Hazmi several times in San Diego. Al-Hazmi was at the time living with Khalid al-Mihdhar, another hijacker. Al-Hazmi and another hijacker, Hani Hanjour, attended the Dar al Hijrah mosque in Virginia in early April 2001.
In his FBI interview, Aulaqi denied ever meeting with al-Hazmi and Hanjour while in Virginia.
Aulaqi, a native-born U.S. citizen, left the United States in 2002, eventually traveling to Yemen. He was investigated by the FBI in 1999 and 2000 after it was learned that he may have been contacted by a possible procurement agent for Osama bin Laden. During this investigation, the FBI learned that Aulaqi knew people involved in raising money for Hamas, a Palestinian group on the U.S. State Department's terrorist list.
Shaker Elsayed, the current imam at Dar Al Hijrah, declined to comment when reached Sunday by The Associated Press.
Faizul Khan, former imam of the Muslim Community Center in nearby Silver Spring, Md., where Hasan also worshipped, said he was not aware that Hasan had attended services at Dar al Hijrah but said it would not be unusual for Hasan to attend more than one mosque concurrently.
Khan said he did not recall Hasan mentioning having been taught or preached to by Aulaqi.
The London Telegraph first reported the potential link between Hasan and the mosque.
Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey said Sunday it's important for the country not to get caught up in speculation about Hasan's Muslim faith, and he has instructed his commanders to be on the lookout for anti-Muslim reaction to the killings at the Texas post.
He says focusing on the Islamic roots of the suspected shooter could "heighten the backlash" against all Muslims in the military.
Casey says diversity in the military "gives us strength."
Casey declined to answer questions about the investigation into the shooting, but said evidence to this point shows that Hasan acted alone. He toured Fort Hood on Friday with Army Secretary John McHugh.
Casey appeared on ABC's "This Week" and CNN's "State of the Union."
Associated Press Writers Eileen Sullivan and Ben Nuckols contributed to this story.
| The Associated Press: Alleged shooter tied to mosque of 9/11 hijackers |
11-08-09, 07:21 PM
| | 5th graders > me | | Join Date: September 2005 Location: Cincinnati area
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Ok, I let myself get carried away, mostly because I did not want to stereotype but was reminded of the true purpose.
But I do ask, to all those that are posting in here....
Stifle the politics and the controversy for a bit.
This is the place to recognize the soldiers that were killed. For whatever reason it all happened, it happened.
Stop, and recognize that please.
These were all humans, like all of us....but they made a choice to at least spend a few years of their life in service to all of us.
So I ask...out of respect for me, out of respect for this forum.....and more importantly out of respect for our county. Please show some respect for those sacrifices....the ones that allow you to post your posts....those that allow you to walk outside and not have someone on the corner with a rifle watching you....etc.
Show some respect....please....and use this thread to do so. Nothing else. Start another FC one if you want. |
11-08-09, 07:25 PM
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If you don't like this flag.....please move the **** out of my country.. Buh bye.  |
11-09-09, 09:30 AM
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11-09-09, 12:14 PM
| | GRROWLL | | Join Date: April 2005 Location: Apache Junction, Arizona. USA
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Originally Posted by DocG2828 Ok, I let myself get carried away, mostly because I did not want to stereotype but was reminded of the true purpose.
But I do ask, to all those that are posting in here....
Stifle the politics and the controversy for a bit.
This is the place to recognize the soldiers that were killed. For whatever reason it all happened, it happened.
Stop, and recognize that please.
These were all humans, like all of us....but they made a choice to at least spend a few years of their life in service to all of us.
So I ask...out of respect for me, out of respect for this forum.....and more importantly out of respect for our county. Please show some respect for those sacrifices....the ones that allow you to post your posts....those that allow you to walk outside and not have someone on the corner with a rifle watching you....etc.
Show some respect....please....and use this thread to do so. Nothing else. Start another FC one if you want. | X1000
I will not lock this thread. I will start banning people who keep disregarding the fact that MRaburn doesn't want Politics in any forum but FC. |
11-09-09, 12:16 PM
| | pardon my stupidity | | Join Date: June 2007 Location: 4th level of hell, Texas
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Originally Posted by Strype | Thats such a sweet gun. 
I know a dude that goes overseas allot and had to get a special permit to carry his gun and another permit to carry that specific gun cause its so dangerous for people in vests. 
I want one. |
11-09-09, 12:17 PM
| | pardon my stupidity | | Join Date: June 2007 Location: 4th level of hell, Texas
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Originally Posted by DocG2828 Ok, I let myself get carried away, mostly because I did not want to stereotype but was reminded of the true purpose.
But I do ask, to all those that are posting in here....
Stifle the politics and the controversy for a bit.
This is the place to recognize the soldiers that were killed. For whatever reason it all happened, it happened.
Stop, and recognize that please.
These were all humans, like all of us....but they made a choice to at least spend a few years of their life in service to all of us.
So I ask...out of respect for me, out of respect for this forum.....and more importantly out of respect for our county. Please show some respect for those sacrifices....the ones that allow you to post your posts....those that allow you to walk outside and not have someone on the corner with a rifle watching you....etc.
Show some respect....please....and use this thread to do so. Nothing else. Start another FC one if you want. | That was very well put my friend. Thanks.  |
11-09-09, 12:22 PM
| | Cuthbert catcher | | Join Date: May 1999 Location: Anywhere except the Unemployment Line
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Main Entry: pol·i·tics
Pronunciation: \ˈpä-lə-ˌtiks\
Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
Etymology: Greek politika, from neuter plural of politikos political
Date: circa 1529
1 a : the art or science of government b : the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy c : the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government
| So can we talk about terrorism since it is not a part of the science of gov't (well at least in America)? What about race relations and prejudice? Those are off topic subjects-
And know that I'm in no way trying to be a smart arse Strype like I usually am I'm just wondering. I need some bearing on what is legit and what is pushing it. 
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11-09-09, 12:28 PM
| | GRROWLL | | Join Date: April 2005 Location: Apache Junction, Arizona. USA
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I don't know. That's a good question. I'll find out.
It's the (same  ) people who keep bickering back and forth in this thread that are pissing me off right now.
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11-09-09, 01:01 PM
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I don’t even know if I’m going to participate in this thread anymore, but I don’t think anything I’ve said or would say is out of bounds.
Can we express our opinions or not?
My PM box is always open........... |
11-09-09, 01:11 PM
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11-09-09, 01:19 PM
| | GRROWLL | | Join Date: April 2005 Location: Apache Junction, Arizona. USA
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Originally Posted by dew22 I don’t even know if I’m going to participate in this thread anymore, but I don’t think anything I’ve said or would say is out of bounds.
Can we express our opinions or not?
My PM box is always open........... | Opinions are not what I have a problem with. |
11-09-09, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankenStang Opinions are not what I have a problem with. | It's very hard to cooperate when it's unclear what the problem is....... help us out here. |
11-09-09, 02:13 PM
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11-09-09, 02:16 PM
| | Cuthbert catcher | | Join Date: May 1999 Location: Anywhere except the Unemployment Line
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I bet the shooter will have tanlines from the electric chair  |
11-09-09, 06:32 PM
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Invoking a god's name while committing mass murder is not THE God I believe in.
Whether the guy had mental issues is not the point because ALL of those who claim to kill for "their god" are nuts to me. Doesn't matter if you are a Muslim extremist or an abortion doctor killer. |
11-09-09, 07:58 PM
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| | Dorothy Rabinowitz: Dr. Phil and the Fort Hood Killer - WSJ.com Quote:
Dr. Phil and the Fort Hood Killer
His terrorist motive is obvious to everyone but the press and the Army brass.
By DOROTHY RABINOWITZ
It can by now come as no surprise that the Fort Hood massacre yielded an instant flow of exculpatory media meditations on the stresses that must have weighed on the killer who mowed down 13 Americans and wounded 29 others. Still, the intense drive to wrap this clear case in a fog of mystery is eminently worthy of notice.
The tide of pronouncements and ruminations pointing to every cause for this event other than the one obvious to everyone in the rational world continues apace. Commentators, reporters, psychologists and, indeed, army spokesmen continue to warn portentously, "We don't yet know the motive for the shootings."
What a puzzle this piece of vacuity must be to audiences hearing it, some, no doubt, with outrage. To those not terrorized by fear of offending Muslim sensitivities, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's motive was instantly clear: It was an act of terrorism by a man with a record of expressing virulent, anti-American, pro-jihadist sentiments. All were conspicuous signs of danger his Army superiors chose to ignore.
What is hard to ignore, now, is the growing derangement on all matters involving terrorism and Muslim sensitivities. Its chief symptoms: a palpitating fear of discomfiting facts and a willingness to discard those facts and embrace the richest possible variety of ludicrous theories as to the motives behind an act of Islamic terrorism. All this we have seen before but never in such naked form. The days following the Fort Hood rampage have told us more than we want to know, perhaps, about the depth and reach of this epidemic.
One of the first outbreaks of these fevers, the night of the shootings, featured television's star psychologist, Dr. Phil, who was outraged when fellow panelist and former JAG officer Tom Kenniff observed that he had been listening to a lot of psychobabble and evasions about Maj. Hasan's motives.
A shocked Dr. Phil, appalled that the guest had publicly mentioned Maj. Hasan's Islamic identity, went on to present what was, in essence, the case for Maj. Hasan as victim. Victim of deployment, of the Army, of the stresses of a new kind of terrible war unlike any other. Unlike, can he have meant, the kind endured by those lucky Americans who fought and died at Iwo Jima, say, or the Ardennes?
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