And as far as toyota burying it's head, that was the most ridiculous comment you could have said sanman.
When I said "bury it's head," I meant performance wise. What car, since the Celica All Trac (89) and Supra (98) have been a performance car? Answer: NONE.
Toyota went the route of designing simple, mundane, low performing vehicles since then. I'm NOT talking about quality mind you, that's NEVER a question with a Toyota. Change the oil and it'll run god damn forever. I am talking about performance. Every other Japanese manufacturer has gone the route of performance without sacrificing quality.
Nissan's motto was having the highest horsepower in every class of vehicle they sell, and they've pretty much kept to that motto. The mid sized Altima, full sized Maxima, Xterra, Frontier, Titan, 350z. They have the most or top 3 amount of HP in every catagory.
Honda is finally getting around back to performance with the new Civic Si's. They kinda dropped the ball for a while.
It's one of the top three, if not number one car seller in America. The new camry just won car of the year from motor trend, and soon they will add the supra back to the line-up.
Who the hell, other than you, is talking about sales. I could give a damn about sales. The Mustang V6 outsells the GT, but we all aren't rushing out to buy one now, are we?
And the Supra, all I can say is "It's about time they got their head out of their asses," but it's pretty much priced out of most people's range at over 50k.
Car of the year? Honestly, who gives a damn other than reporters? The Camry needs every bit of that 268 HP to get it's fat ass moving.
All that and I haven't even mentioned the Scion and Lexus sectors of this company.
Scion? Are you joking me? What car in the Scion line is a performance car?
IMO, every car in the Scion line is a CHICK car. Perfect for young adult women....low HP so they won't kill themselves while driving and stylish enough that they can customize to their liking to match their fingernail polish. You wouldn't catch me DEAD in an XB or a Tc. I'd rather walk.
With Lexus, only the IS series is a "peformance" car, and only the upcoming V8 and maybe the IS350.
To say they buried thier heads is definitely a sign of your view on things.
It is. Toyota's performance has simply sucked since those two cars ended production. End of story.
My thoughts are that the people on this board should be a little less obsessive over rice and turn at least slightly away from the idea that if it doesnt have bullits and a
k&n on it, then it's ****ty or pointless. I'm not saying you have to like it one bit, but maybe if you had an open mind about things, you might really find what your missing out on.
I am open minded, probably one of the MOST open minded on this board. The Mustang isn't the "End all car" in the entire world. I like an import just as much as you do, it's just that I don't drive one. I'd love a 98 single turbo Supra, or an RB 240, but I can't use them for work. I'd love an STi or an Evo as they are light years beyond a Mustang, but I can't use them for work.
My only comment was that Toyota's performance sucked, and that they buried their (peformance) heads in the mud for many years. My statement is simply the truth, whether you like it or not, and if you are a logical person you can't disagree with me. Only now is Toyota starting to come around when sales of certain model vehicles took a crap (Celica, for example) and they finally noticed that their "sports" cars were left in the dust.
And sorry, Lambo doors on ANY car other than a Lambo itself IS rice.