GAS IS UP AGAIN! RANT Thread, WHO's FAULT IS IT?
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parchisi
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Has anyone tried to put a 6-Speed in a Sn95? And if so, would there be enough mph gain to offset the cost of the swap? I wonder if you could get 30 mpg w/ a 6 speed. I know the Corvette Z06, w/ the LS7 427 cubic inch motor gets an astounding 28 mpg. Not bad for a car with 505 hp and a top speed of 198 mph! Could a 6 speed get 30 mpg in one of our cars, w/ a 3.55 or 3.73 gears? Anybody Know?
Nik_95Cobra
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And here I sold my daily driver that got 35+ MPG for one that will get like 15 
Right now it's right at about $3/gal for regular.
Right now it's right at about $3/gal for regular.
2.79 here in my home town, but its 2.89 everywhere else around here for 87. I have and continue to do all I can to conserve fuel and energy. I like Pokeageek have replaced about 90% of the lights in my home with compact fluorescents (I saw an immediate drop in my electric bill), I use as little light as I can, I use as little hot water as I can, I kept my house a little colder than normal this winter and I'm sure it'll be a little hotter than normal this summer. In my DD focus ZX3 I have removed everything in it that I didn't need. I use my cruise control everywhere I can, I only go 63mph on the highways in 65mph zones. I don't run my AC in my car unless I absolutely have to, and I accelerate like a little old woman not letting my car get above 2500-3000. With these changes I went from 290 miles per tank to 380 miles/ tank, or an increase of approximately 4-5mpg.
My friends are all laughing at me, but I'm 90% sure I'm buying a 50cc scooter very soon that gets 75mpg. I'm sure I'll look funny with my tie waving in the wind as I cruise around to my accounts, but I really don't care as my fuel is part of my bottom line at work and I need to do anything I can to control it. Even though I know there are drawbacks to hybrid vehicles, my next car will most definitely be one.
I'm dreading getting the mustang back on the road just due to fuel.
As for the whole fuel debate, I wish i knew where to find real answers, but it seems like an impossible task.
My cousin lives on a 2500 acre farm and I asked him if they were thinking about upping their corn production due to influx of E85 and he laughed at me. He said that the gov. pays them more not to grow corn than they would make actually growing it through subsidizing. The government wants to keep the demand high and supply regulated to prevent the prices from going way down it seems. I hear that Mass. has legislation on the books right now to require a liquor license for anyone that makes their own ethanol. In my view its blatantly obvious that the government wants to always get their cut of the pie.
IMO, I think its the wrong mind set to simply "accept" the high prices. Maybe some don't remember but we used to complain when gas varied 10-15 cents over a period of a few months which was considered a huge jump, now it goes up 10-20 cents a week. We've become numb to the blatant raping of our wallets. Its my goal to stick it to the "gas man" anyway I can now.
My friends are all laughing at me, but I'm 90% sure I'm buying a 50cc scooter very soon that gets 75mpg. I'm sure I'll look funny with my tie waving in the wind as I cruise around to my accounts, but I really don't care as my fuel is part of my bottom line at work and I need to do anything I can to control it. Even though I know there are drawbacks to hybrid vehicles, my next car will most definitely be one.
I'm dreading getting the mustang back on the road just due to fuel.
As for the whole fuel debate, I wish i knew where to find real answers, but it seems like an impossible task.
My cousin lives on a 2500 acre farm and I asked him if they were thinking about upping their corn production due to influx of E85 and he laughed at me. He said that the gov. pays them more not to grow corn than they would make actually growing it through subsidizing. The government wants to keep the demand high and supply regulated to prevent the prices from going way down it seems. I hear that Mass. has legislation on the books right now to require a liquor license for anyone that makes their own ethanol. In my view its blatantly obvious that the government wants to always get their cut of the pie.
IMO, I think its the wrong mind set to simply "accept" the high prices. Maybe some don't remember but we used to complain when gas varied 10-15 cents over a period of a few months which was considered a huge jump, now it goes up 10-20 cents a week. We've become numb to the blatant raping of our wallets. Its my goal to stick it to the "gas man" anyway I can now.
reddy351
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Green 94 5.0 and parchisi, you both get gold stars. (There were some other good points mentioned by others, as well.)
I don't see America driving any less, or using less gasoline. (In fact, at $3.09 a gallon for regular the roads here are just as packed as they always are, here in Columbus.) The only other solution is to make more gasoline. Simple economics. Supply and demand. My question for all you Bush haters, who are you going to blame, when he's not around? Stop watching the nightly news and start thinking for yourselves!
As far as oil company profits: Oil is sold/traded as "futures", that is, what the buyer THINKS the price will be in 2 days, two weeks and even two months. The buyers set the barrel price by offering to pay a certain price in two days, two weeks or two months. If it is selling at $50 a barrel, now and they see that there COULD be a rise in the price, they may OFFER $55,$65, or $75 a barrel. (If oil goes above their offer, they win and make money. If it doesn't they just use other futures that they have "bought".) As the seller, the oil company (And you would too. I'll make that point, next.) accepts the price. It still the same oil that cost them $25 to get out of the ground and to market. So, they end up with a huge profit. Also, the oil that you are buying now, may have been "discovered" two years ago, at a huge expense to the oil company that found/recovered it. The amount that was spent to find it, isn't being reported on your garbage evening news. It's not in their agenda.
Now, the point I promised. You have some parts that you are going to sell at a swap meet. You have the price of your old h-pipe set at $75. Some guy walks up and offers you $150 for it. You say "it's only $75". He insists on $150. Do you ONLY accept $75 or do you take that dumbasses money?? Of course, you take his money!!!!! (Then you brag to your buddies about it for the next two years.) The people who buy oil for us, are as much (or more) to blame for high prices as any other in the chain.
I'm becoming less and less smitten with our President, too. But it's not for the reasons that most people are. He has become very un-Conservative. He's not the "cowboy with a six-shooter on each hip" that I'd hoped he would be, when he was first elected He has really turned out to be a real woosie. We need a "mans man", a "John Wayne" in the Oval Office, not some mealy mouth wimp that can't even get what he wants from a Congress of his OWN PARTY!!!!! (The Reps WERE in power, for his whole first term in office.) None of the Dem candidates show me that, and I'm reserving judjement for the Rep ones.
That's all.
I don't see America driving any less, or using less gasoline. (In fact, at $3.09 a gallon for regular the roads here are just as packed as they always are, here in Columbus.) The only other solution is to make more gasoline. Simple economics. Supply and demand. My question for all you Bush haters, who are you going to blame, when he's not around? Stop watching the nightly news and start thinking for yourselves!
As far as oil company profits: Oil is sold/traded as "futures", that is, what the buyer THINKS the price will be in 2 days, two weeks and even two months. The buyers set the barrel price by offering to pay a certain price in two days, two weeks or two months. If it is selling at $50 a barrel, now and they see that there COULD be a rise in the price, they may OFFER $55,$65, or $75 a barrel. (If oil goes above their offer, they win and make money. If it doesn't they just use other futures that they have "bought".) As the seller, the oil company (And you would too. I'll make that point, next.) accepts the price. It still the same oil that cost them $25 to get out of the ground and to market. So, they end up with a huge profit. Also, the oil that you are buying now, may have been "discovered" two years ago, at a huge expense to the oil company that found/recovered it. The amount that was spent to find it, isn't being reported on your garbage evening news. It's not in their agenda.
Now, the point I promised. You have some parts that you are going to sell at a swap meet. You have the price of your old h-pipe set at $75. Some guy walks up and offers you $150 for it. You say "it's only $75". He insists on $150. Do you ONLY accept $75 or do you take that dumbasses money?? Of course, you take his money!!!!! (Then you brag to your buddies about it for the next two years.) The people who buy oil for us, are as much (or more) to blame for high prices as any other in the chain.
I'm becoming less and less smitten with our President, too. But it's not for the reasons that most people are. He has become very un-Conservative. He's not the "cowboy with a six-shooter on each hip" that I'd hoped he would be, when he was first elected He has really turned out to be a real woosie. We need a "mans man", a "John Wayne" in the Oval Office, not some mealy mouth wimp that can't even get what he wants from a Congress of his OWN PARTY!!!!! (The Reps WERE in power, for his whole first term in office.) None of the Dem candidates show me that, and I'm reserving judjement for the Rep ones.
That's all.
I think it is wrong to just accept high prices as well. We elect a congress and president and there should be more measures taken. I also agree its not a rep vs dem issue. I am not on either side and I dont care whether a republican or democrat is right. :SNSign:
EVERYTHING is getting more expensive. Not just gas. I work at Sherwin-Williams and we have been forced to have atleast 5 price increases in the past year, all were at least 5% with the last one being 11%. People just fail to realise that. You used to be able to get a coke for a nickel (remember that Grady?
) Everything will get more expensive, and will ALWAYS continue to get more expensive. Im just waiting for them to decide that peoples pay should go up. 
I make like $700 a month working my part time job, and drive to school almost every day, getting 3 trips from a tank.
You know how I dont let gas prices bother me?
I dont give a damn.
I do that with alot of **** and it saves alot of frustration and worry.
As Rush would say, "My way of live is easy, and as simple are my needs."
Oh dont tell my that rush has you sucked into his twisted views and out of proportion theories and that liberals(democrats is his view) are the center of all evil.
EVERYTHING is getting more expensive. Not just gas. I work at Sherwin-Williams and we have been forced to have atleast 5 price increases in the past year, all were at least 5% with the last one being 11%. People just fail to realise that. You used to be able to get a coke for a nickel (remember that Grady?
Yo can say that again. and this IS a "rant" thread! so feel free to rant.!
Green, gas seems to go up FASTER though and strangely timed compared to other items ingeneral though. In some countries people are not allowed to even post a discussion like this. I am glad we live where we can post our opinions AND facts and opinions based on fact without getting blown up or shot at or jailed.
As to posting about the pres...I am not totally against the pres..after all..he is our President, so in general I respect him as that. BUT even though I voted for him, I don't trust his motivations..or most politicians..or anything they say... but more about gas..
I think the facts so far from this thread are:
#1 It is based on supply and demand and the refinerys have a lot to do with that.
#2 OIL companies make TOO much money ..how do they make money?? They CHARGE US FOR GAS! doesn't that kinda throw the refinery theory a little? I dunno but I an just suggesting..do you feel they have too much a CORNER ont e market?? I DO!
#3 The president and his cab members currently in office have MAJOR ties with the Bin Ladens (look it up, saudis, and has a huge stake in OIL). Doesn't that speak for something?
#4 No I am not a left wing banana but I do see some concerning facts...don't you?
#5 Politicians seem to be more greedy than ever. I think that does have something to do with it. I sometimes think a small % of our society controls supply and demand and even legislature, etc..and think that is getting worse especially for poor people.
Do I have all the answers? No. But hopefully Americans will start wising up and not believing everything they hear on the news and coming out of politicians mouths relating to our economy.
OH, and as to "rush" he is an entertainer only and puts a ton of spin on everything..just like the liberal media..
I would be careful about getting my "news" from him or any other part of the entertainment industry.
If you want fair news, maybe consider the BBC. It is my understanding they aew 2% entertainment and 98% simple reporting, no spin..thats what I have heard but it seems we have to go out of our way to get the real facts these days..
All that aside I am wondering if we should close the thread cause I fell like I may have sparked something bad if everyone is gettin their feathers real ruffled. If so, I apologize.
WhiteDevil
New Member
$3.58 for regular here in San Diego. Im gonna be on the ****ing streets soon. I would guess about two weeks till premium hits $4.00. The gas price goes up 8c-10cents over night lately. I cant wait to see the gas companies profits this year i smell another record year.
DEMAND That is why gas prices are high. We demand gas, they supply gas. We are lucky this is not a true free economy because I am sure most of us would continue to buy and use gas at the same rate with prices well into the 4s and 5s.
I won't complain until our prices are higher than those in Europe.
(Oh yeah, and the 2nd post noting the lack of refineries is correct as well.)
I won't complain until our prices are higher than those in Europe.
(Oh yeah, and the 2nd post noting the lack of refineries is correct as well.)
"As far as oil company profits: Oil is sold/traded as "futures", that is, what the buyer THINKS the price will be in 2 days, two weeks and even two months. The buyers set the barrel price by offering to pay a certain price in two days, two weeks or two months. If it is selling at $50 a barrel, now and they see that there COULD be a rise in the price, they may OFFER $55,$65, or $75 a barrel. (If oil goes above their offer, they win and make money. If it doesn't they just use other futures that they have "bought".) As the seller, the oil company (And you would too. I'll make that point, next.) accepts the price. It still the same oil that cost them $25 to get out of the ground and to market. So, they end up with a huge profit. Also, the oil that you are buying now, may have been "discovered" two years ago, at a huge expense to the oil company that found/recovered it. The amount that was spent to find it, isn't being reported on your garbage evening news. It's not in their agenda."
He red, thanks for the contribution. Now. If that is what determines pricing of our gas, I would question the mouse trap entirely. I still think certain key people still have too much control over that system. They are all tied together..
And who is to say they decide to say whoops! Out of oil! regardless of the demand... Takes demand out of the equasion too..anyone else?
He red, thanks for the contribution. Now. If that is what determines pricing of our gas, I would question the mouse trap entirely. I still think certain key people still have too much control over that system. They are all tied together..
And who is to say they decide to say whoops! Out of oil! regardless of the demand... Takes demand out of the equasion too..anyone else?
'66 coupe
Founding Member
And that will never happen. Their taxes are higher than ours, so as the gas prices rise on both continents, they will always have the higher prices.
Here's why I think its political and someone is holding our wallets hostage:
According to some pretty good sources:
Refining is only 10% of your gas price at pump.
Taxes = 20%
Transportation and marketing 11%
Crude OIL inventories have the single biggest effect on gas prices, and the United States depends heavily on foreign oil supplies. In January 2006, the United States imported over 9.7 million barrels per day [ref]. The single largest entity impacting the world's oil supplies is the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), a consortium of 11 countries: Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela.
"When OPEC wants to raise the price of crude oil, it simply reduces production. This causes gasoline prices to jump because of the short supply, but also because of the possibility of future reductions. When oil production dips, gas companies get nervous. The mere threat of oil reductions can raise gas prices."
http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm
According to some pretty good sources:
Refining is only 10% of your gas price at pump.
Taxes = 20%
Transportation and marketing 11%
Crude OIL inventories have the single biggest effect on gas prices, and the United States depends heavily on foreign oil supplies. In January 2006, the United States imported over 9.7 million barrels per day [ref]. The single largest entity impacting the world's oil supplies is the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), a consortium of 11 countries: Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela.
"When OPEC wants to raise the price of crude oil, it simply reduces production. This causes gasoline prices to jump because of the short supply, but also because of the possibility of future reductions. When oil production dips, gas companies get nervous. The mere threat of oil reductions can raise gas prices."
http://money.howstuffworks.com/gas-price.htm
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