HCI No Start (Part 2)

67 coupe is correct about the timing, but how did you time it if it doesn't run properly? :scratch: Sounds retarded to me (the timing), but could definitely be some other things mentioned as well. Redo the distributor and try more advance. What happens if you give it throttle?
 
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See the "Surging Idle Checklist for help with all your idle/stall problems. Everything you need to find and fix idle problems is in there.

The first two posts contain all the updates to the fixes. At last count there were 24 possible causes and fixes for surging idle/stall problems. I continue to update it as more people post fixes or ask questions.
 
i had a problem kinda the same problem your having.. How was ur fuel injector O-rings? i had 4 that were sucking in air and causing a huge vacumm leak! Might want to check that.

Did the intake hose slip off enough to pull air in (bypassing the MAF)? If so, yes, that would be a big reason the motor is popping, running rough.

Having the valve covers off would be a giant vacuum leak. Un-metered air is entering the intake via the PCV system.

I would fix these two before doing any additional trouble shooting.

67 coupe is correct about the timing, but how did you time it if it doesn't run properly? :scratch: Sounds retarded to me (the timing), but could definitely be some other things mentioned as well. Redo the distributor and try more advance. What happens if you give it throttle?

See the "Surging Idle Checklist for help with all your idle/stall problems. Everything you need to find and fix idle problems is in there.

The first two posts contain all the updates to the fixes. At last count there were 24 possible causes and fixes for surging idle/stall problems. I continue to update it as more people post fixes or ask questions.






Well I'm gonna start with the valve covers and the air intake that slipped off... hehehe

Thanks doods I'll let you know :nice:
 
Thanks guys... She's running! :banana:


The rocker arms were shimmed wrong, well at least some of them. Also there were two pushrods that were too long so we traded them out for some old ones. After we redid the rockers the timing was way off (I know wierd?). So we set the timing to a diagram where the little black deal (reluctor) was just ahead of the rotor and the plug wires had to be rearranged back a post each. Evidently the #1 marking under the cap doesn't mean squat and nobody should EVER pay any attention to it. I know that now.



http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/800036-thank-you-5-0-talk-tech.html
 
Okay here's a rundown of all the problems I ran into...

A) Fuel pressure loss- The BBK SSI intake was to blame. The tube inbetween the fuel rails was leaking.
B) Vacuum Leak- We had accidentally pulled the PCV valve out.
C) Spark plugs- The GT40X heads take 3924 (I think) Autolites.
D) Valve train- The rockers must be shimmed exactly as shown here: http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/785764-cam-timing-question.html#post7909781
E) Timing- The black "reluctor" has to be pointed at 12:00. The rotor should be just behind it. The number 1 plug on the cap must be over the rotor or just after. That plug actually sits just over the black magnetic pickup (reluctor I think).
F) Fuel in the Oil- After many attempted starts the unburned fuel was just pooling inside the combustion chamber and you could tell from the plugs. Some were black and some were clean but they were all drenched. It was obviously washing out the cylinders.
 
Glad to hear you got the car running, STRYPE!

So we set the timing to a diagram where the little black deal (reluctor) was just ahead of the rotor and the plug wires had to be rearranged back a post each. Evidently the #1 marking under the cap doesn't mean squat and nobody should EVER pay any attention to it. I know that now.

So what is the story on this? It was my understanding that you HAVE to have the #1 wire on the correct terminal on the distributor, or your fuel injectors will pulse at the wrong time...?
 
Glad to hear you got the car running, STRYPE!



So what is the story on this? It was my understanding that you HAVE to have the #1 wire on the correct terminal on the distributor, or your fuel injectors will pulse at the wrong time...?

:scratch:

This requires some homework... Anybody know? My buddy has an msd cap and its not even marked.

Glad you got it running! :nice:

Vids???

http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/800036-thank-you-5-0-talk-tech.html

:nice:
 
Glad you got it running! :nice:

Vids???

Here's what we followed and it worked like a charm:


From SBF Tech.com joel5.0 has the best how-to's

EFI Initial Ignition Timing Calibration and Distributor Installation

This is a question that usually comes up once in awhile, and for the new Ford enthusiast the following procedure will help bumping up that timing and make sure the distributor is installed correctly.

If you have removed the distributor for any type of work, you have to make sure it is installed correctly with #1 cylinder at compression TDC. The following will help you make sure it is installed right.

Tools:

* ½" Combination wrench or the "L" shaped ½" timing wrench
* White Out or liquid paper
* Carburetor cleaner
* Clean rag and/or napkins
* Timing Light


Installing Distributor at #1 Compression:

This is the procedure I always use to make sure #1 cylinder is at compression TDC and not the exhaust cycle or 180° off.

* Remove #1 spark plug.
* Plug the spark plug hole with a piece of rag or a napkin.
* Either have an assistant short click the starter, or use a remote starter switch (a long screwdriver will also work By The Way) to short click the starter solenoid.
* As soon as the napkin/rag is expelled from the cylinder (sign of compression stroke), rotate the engine by hand using a 15/16" socket and handle for the crankshaft bolt, until the TDC mark is aligned with the timing marker. Even though the 10° BTDC mark shows on the pic, you should use the TDC or 0° mark.
* Now it will be a good time to clean the timing scale on the balancer with some carburetor cleaner and a rag, you should also make the necessary marks with white out or liquid paper, it will make it easier to read when you're setting the initial timing later on.

timing_marks2.JPG


* Install/Stab distributor noting the orientation of the TFI module connector (if it applies) and the direction of the rotor. You could also use the PIP sensor magnet as a guide, as shown in the 1-tooth-off retarded example below. To correct the condition illustrated by the red line, the distributor would have to be re-indexed using the green line as the reference position point.


Dist_index_OK2.JPG

Dizzy_Diagram_Orientation.gif


* The following pics show how a correctly installed distributor looks like. Notice the position to the LH side of the stator magnet (white dot) of the vanes rotor.

TFI_indexed_TDC1.jpg


TFI_indexed_TDC2.jpg


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* The spark plug cables should be arranged in the order shown below for a 5.0L HO or 351W, if a regular 302w is the one been worked, simply use the 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 firing order instead.

Dizzy_Diagram_FO_CAP.jpg


Initial Timing Calibration:

Now you're ready to start the engine and set initial timing.

* Locate the SPOUT connector, '86-93 Mustangs have it in the TFI module harness near the connector, and '94-'95 Mustangs have it near the MAF, at the RH fenderwell as shown below.


'86 - '93 Mustangs
SPOUT_on.jpg

SPOUT_off.jpg



'94-'95 Mustangs
spout_SN95_1.jpg


* Remove the SPOUT connector jumper plug and secure it.
* Start the engine and bring it to operating temperature.
* Using the timing light, set initial to the setting you would like to test, rotating the distributor CW will advance timing, and CCW will retard timing. 10° BTDC is the stock setting, but you may want to check if 12° BTDC or 14° BTDC will work for more power.
* Tighten distributor base bolt and confirm setting did not change.
* Reconnect the SPOUT jumper plug into the connector.
* Check timing change with the timing light, the reading should be between 20° - 24° BTDC = sign the computer is controlling spark advance.
* You're done....


NOTE:
In the event you misplace or loose the SPOUT connector plug, a simple jumper wire or clip will work fine. The SPOUT plug is simply a jumper used to allow the ECM to control spark advance, or disconnect the ECM from controlling spark advance; and be able to set initial spark.

Testing for Engine Ping

You may want to verify the new initial setting (if you advanced it to a higher setting) does not cause engine ping. To do so, suggest the following procedure.

* Make sure engine is at operating temperature.
* Find a long straightway for the test.
* Increase speed to 25-35 MPH and shift into 4th gear.
* Increase engine load by pressing accelerator pedal ? down at first, and at WOT making sure you DON'T downshift from 4th. gear.
* Notice if engine ping is heard from the engine, if it is, repeat the Initial Timing Calibration, and retard advance 2° from the current setting.
* Repeat this procedure until engine pinging condition is not noticed.


NOW you're done....Phew