2011 V6s are gonna piss me off I know it

[puma1552]

Thing about the horsepower wars though is that they will be limited. The reason the Camaro/bird got killed in '02 is because GM quit advertising it because they didn't want their name in front of a 12 second car and all of the deaths causing insurance to skyrocket. Too many redneck idiots went out and beat the piss out of those cars, wrapped them around poles, trees, whatever, and insurance rates soared, GM quit advertising them, and that was that. Trust me, we are in for a repeat of that, with added CAFE fuel economy pressure. THESE are the glory days of the horsepower wars; they won't last forever, as soon as prices trickle down enough for idiots to afford them and total them and kill themselves, they will be scaled back. The way I see it, is the first year you see horsepower ratings drop even by five, buy one and hang onto it because it will only be downhill from there. So on that note, knowing this won't last forever, I'd be hard pressed not to buy a new GT if I could.

But back to the topic of the new V6 cars and all the stunners that will be driving them like they are Billy Badass...


THIRTY GRAND for a freaking junky base V6 is INSANE.

Since when did a ****ty base model V6 Mustang become a $30k car? The GT will at least hold its value a decent bit, but that $30k V6 will be $15k within two years, and $8k another two years later with their crappy pizza cutters and stickers. Then they will just be junked out base model beaters run into the ground by high school kids and stunners who know nothing about cars but think their shAt doesn't stink (usually the case with V6 guys IME from any camp).

I mean seriously, who would buy a V6 Mustang? It's a complete oxymoron, even at 300 hp. At the end of the day, it still is a V6, sounds like a cruddy V6, makes no torque, has limited potential, isn't desirable now and never will be, and worst of all, it still looks like a V6, which is probably the biggest sin. It also doesn't get all that much better mileage than a GT, which is something most V6 people never realize no matter how many times you tell them, and if you care about mileage why waste $30k on a base Mustang? Go get a Honda.

V6 cars always look like junk compared to V8 cars, so who cares. Let Jonny Highschool think he's a badass in his girls' car. End of the day, even if his is faster, it's still a crappy V6 and it still looks like a crappy V6. Every time I see one, it's like "Oh, it's just a lame V6." Yawn.

The older GT is a better package, even if it's slower IMO. I'd take my loaded '98 GT with factory 17s, leather, and Mach 460 anyday over a new V6.

A new GT though, *droooool*

 

[puma1552]

Also if it makes you feel better, i have a loan for my '98 GT with $6750 left on it

So at least if yours is paid off, you're in a better spot than I (granted I just bought mine but still, a loan on a 13 year old car FTL).

EDIT: not that I couldn't have taken a loan for the new GT (I qualified) or paid cash for my '98 (could've), but I also have other things to pay for like a car for the wife and a house downpayment, and will be unemployed in six months when my contract ends and I move overseas back home...so even though I could buy a new GT, there's a difference between being able to and it being smart...god knows a lot of the guys in the S-197 forum are upside down on their trades by as much as $5k, and just keep rolling negative equity into their next loan...so where that's concerned, I don't envy them. Basically need at least $10k down on a new GT not to be upside down on it IMO.

 

[03_TrueBlue_GT]

Well at least our cars with an off road x or h pipe sound a lot better, that way you can just drown out the annoying sounds of a V6...


Ya it sucks seeing the new V6 with the "performance package" beats our cars, the base V6 doesnt compete as well without the performance package... I built one online and with everything I wanted it was a pricey car, so I wouldnt spend 30k for one. I would rather sink money into my New Edge bc I love the looks and I like being the underdog that can outperform when nobody expects it.

Can you imagine seeing the looks on some high school punks, or new owner of the super 300hp v6 mustang!!! face when they loose to a stock looking 1998-2004 GT with a KB supercharger on it... Oh it would be awesome!

Also btw I noticed someone talk about the new V6 Camaro on this thread, that car sucks honestly its a pig, it doesnt even feel as nimble as our Mustangs and it handles like a boat. Plus the engine sounds like **** and there is not tourqe to be had. I already showed up a few new ones when they came out and let me tell you all of the owners had a disgruntled look on their faces...

 

[Winters98GT]

Thing about the horsepower wars though is that they will be limited. The reason the Camaro/bird got killed in '02 is because GM quit advertising it because they didn't want their name in front of a 12 second car and all of the deaths causing insurance to skyrocket. Too many redneck idiots went out and beat the piss out of those cars, wrapped them around poles, trees, whatever, and insurance rates soared, GM quit advertising them, and that was that. Trust me, we are in for a repeat of that, with added CAFE fuel economy pressure. THESE are the glory days of the horsepower wars; they won't last forever, as soon as prices trickle down enough for idiots to afford them and total them and kill themselves, they will be scaled back. The way I see it, is the first year you see horsepower ratings drop even by five, buy one and hang onto it because it will only be downhill from there. So on that note, knowing this won't last forever, I'd be hard pressed not to buy a new GT if I could.

But back to the topic of the new V6 cars and all the stunners that will be driving them like they are Billy Badass...


THIRTY GRAND for a freaking junky base V6 is INSANE.

Since when did a ****ty base model V6 Mustang become a $30k car? The GT will at least hold its value a decent bit, but that $30k V6 will be $15k within two years, and $8k another two years later with their crappy pizza cutters and stickers. Then they will just be junked out base model beaters run into the ground by high school kids and stunners who know nothing about cars but think their shAt doesn't stink (usually the case with V6 guys IME from any camp).

I mean seriously, who would buy a V6 Mustang? It's a complete oxymoron, even at 300 hp. At the end of the day, it still is a V6, sounds like a cruddy V6, makes no torque, has limited potential, isn't desirable now and never will be, and worst of all, it still looks like a V6, which is probably the biggest sin. It also doesn't get all that much better mileage than a GT, which is something most V6 people never realize no matter how many times you tell them, and if you care about mileage why waste $30k on a base Mustang? Go get a Honda.

V6 cars always look like junk compared to V8 cars, so who cares. Let Jonny Highschool think he's a badass in his girls' car. End of the day, even if his is faster, it's still a crappy V6 and it still looks like a crappy V6. Every time I see one, it's like "Oh, it's just a lame V6." Yawn.

The older GT is a better package, even if it's slower IMO. I'd take my loaded '98 GT with factory 17s, leather, and Mach 460 anyday over a new V6.

A new GT though, *droooool*

That post is full of nothing but fail. "Ridiculous" in a big understatment. You have no clue what you are talking about.

Base GT's can be had for under sticker and 27-30k. Whatever dark ages you live in, you need to get in to the real world, where the average car cost 27-29k in the US. The v6 stang runs 13's, and get close to 30mpg. It's a real world, standard car that performs great, IMO. Haters going to keep hating, but the fact is, ford nailed it with the 2011+cars. They are only going to get better because GM is going to try to match them, and ford will pull ahead slightly, again. Living under a rock....

 

[Winters98GT]

Can you imagine seeing the looks on some high school punks, or new owner of the super 300hp v6 mustang!!! face when they loose to a stock looking 1998-2004 GT with a KB supercharger on it... Oh it would be awesome!

The high school kids inside the loop in Houston roll with 500-1000hp. Mommy and Daddy have deep pockets around here.

 

[fast97gt]

well here my theory, plus what im doing. i WANT the new 5.0gt but payments are 426/mth plus an extra 44/mth insurance. so thats about $250 more then the budget allows, so i take the $175/mth and stick it back. in 12mths time thats $2100 put that with the extra $50/mth i put back already for "car fund" thats another $600. so in a years time ill save up $2700. thats trickflows new h/c/i combo plus a money towards a bottom end. in 3yrs time you could blow 500hp outta the water with a FI trickflow headed motor, or go this route and but a blown 5.4 out of a newer cobra and go that way, either way if its paid off keep it and save up the money to mod th s*** out of it.

 

['13_ImpactBlue_GT]

That post is full of nothing but fail. "Ridiculous" in a big understatment. You have no clue what you are talking about.

Base GT's can be had for under sticker and 27-30k. Whatever dark ages you live in, you need to get in to the real world, where the average car cost 27-29k in the US. The v6 stang runs 13's, and get close to 30mpg. It's a real world, standard car that performs great, IMO. Haters going to keep hating, but the fact is, ford nailed it with the 2011+cars. They are only going to get better because GM is going to try to match them, and ford will pull ahead slightly, again. Living under a rock....

30 years ago if you told someone that Ford would produce a 6 cylinder Stang making 305 hp they would say that's science fiction..........

 

[Mustang5L5]

Too much worrying about what the other guy is doing. What's wrong with modding you car for your enjoyment and enjoying driving it around? What's the point of worrying about some kid in a new v6 mustang. If you worried about every new car that comes out you will never enjoy your car.

 

[puma1552]

That post is full of nothing but fail. "Ridiculous" in a big understatment. You have no clue what you are talking about.

Base GT's can be had for under sticker and 27-30k. Whatever dark ages you live in, you need to get in to the real world, where the average car cost 27-29k in the US. The v6 stang runs 13's, and get close to 30mpg. It's a real world, standard car that performs great, IMO. Haters going to keep hating, but the fact is, ford nailed it with the 2011+cars. They are only going to get better because GM is going to try to match them, and ford will pull ahead slightly, again. Living under a rock....

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything I posted.

I realize a GT can be had for 27k-30k. I said nothing of the sort even remotely about the price of GTs.

But price out a six with any options worth a damn, and it gets pretty close to $30k. OK, $27k-$28k, whatever. That isn't much better, and still a completely asinine price for a base model Ford product. That's 1-series territory. It might be a nice car, but it's still a domestic Ford product, a serious $500+ payment, and a base model Ford at that--it's going to sink in value very hard, and very fast, and with an upper $20ks price of entry, that's absolutely retarded IMO.

It's like people who buy Ford Rangers, Chevy S-10s, Cavaliers brand new at sticker price; you almost couldn't make a worse decision even amongst new cars because all of those cars can be had for DIRT cheap after a couple years. Back in 2001, I bought a '97 Ranger XLT with 40k miles on it for $5900, mint condition. Pity the poor person who bought it new and paid $20k just four years earlier. I knew a kid who blew $25k on a brand new Malibu; yeah, that was worth about $8k when it was 3 years old. Some cars you just don't buy new because they sink in value terribly compared to others. A V6, base model Mustang is one of those in that group. Maybe not as bad as a Malibu, but approaching $30k for a base Ford? Ridiculous, I don't know why anyone would shell out that kind of money for a base domestic car.

Also, I never claimed the V6 did anything but get 30 mpg and have 300 hp; how am I living under a rock? Just because it's a 13 second car that gets 30 mpg doesn't mean I need to cream myself over the pizza cutter wheels, V6 sound, base interior, and stickers running down the body.

Truthfully, I could care less if it ran 11s and got 50 mpg. It's still a V6, it's still an oxymoron, it still looks terrible compared to any of the V8 models in appearance, and I'd still take my crappy slow '98 GT over it every day of the week. I haven't been living under a rock, I just don't care for the V6 models. Is it a strong car? Sure, but that doesn't mean I have to wet myself over it, or even like it.

Some people will never buy a V6, I'm one of them. Deal with it.

I'll never own a V6 Mustang, why bother? If I want a performance car, I'll want/get the V8. If I don't want the V8, I'll get something more run-of-the-mill like an Accord or whatever. Sorry, I just don't see the point of a V6 Mustang, 13 seconds or not. It remains in my mind an oxymoron, because given the fact that you can get a base GT by the time you put any decent options on the V6, then what do you have going for you to buy the V6? Fuel economy (which isn't that much better)? If fuel economy is all you've got, then again--it's an oxymoron to buy a Stang in the first place. I guess some teeny boppers will have cheaper insurance, but I'm in the old man insurance bracket so even a Z06 is cheap, so at least for me it's moot. At $28k, I'd buy a two year old C300 with 20k miles long before I'd buy a new base Mustang, but that's just me. $28k is a serious amount of coin, whether or not it's the average price for a new car.

if you want to throw close to $30k away on a base model Ford, be my guest. A $30k GT will at least hold some of its value.

But please, don't call me a "hater", are you 17?

EDIT: Truthfully, I'm not sure when any of these muscle offerings from the Big 3 became $35k-$65k cars. A GT Premium with decent options can run over $35k easily, and actually close to if not over $40k. Add another $5k or so for a convertible and all of a sudden a Mustang GT stickers in the same neighborhood as an E-Class or 5-series, which is insane. Go over to Chrysler, and they want nearly $50k for an SRT-8 Challenger. Chevy is in the $40k bracket for a 2SS. Shelbys run over $50k, heavily optioned convertibles stickering at $65k. I guess I'm not sure when basic performance cars that were originally intended for young 20-somethings to afford became E-class and 5-series competitors for the wallet.

The cars themselves (all of the offerings and all of the trim levels from the Big 3, not just V6 models), IMO, have priced themselves out of their demographic they were intended to appeal to when they were conceived back in the muscle era. Then again, with all the retroism, I guess the demographic has changed to be the same as that of the 'Vette--pensioners (face it, 80% of Vette owners are over 60, letting what's left of their hair blow in the wind, but kudos to them). Sure a lot of young guys here have these new Stangs, but I've seen many a post of young guys trading in cars that they still owe over $25k on, and have negative equity on their trades. I've seen more than a few people in price threads roll over $5k in negative equity accumulating from multiple upside-down car purchases into their 5.0 loan. Then again, half of America can't afford their house either, so it fits. So a lot of young guys may have them, but a lot of them don't seem like they can really afford them (but I'm sure some can), but it's their prerogative. Point is, these cars simply aren't for young guys anymore like they used to be. /rant

 

[JoeDaddy]

Plus V-6's sound like ****

I'll take a V8 exhaust over a faster V6 anyday..
My stock 96 GT is fast enough to get a ticket...

 

[40oz]

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything I posted.

I realize a GT can be had for 27k-30k. I said nothing of the sort even remotely about the price of GTs.

But price out a six with any options worth a damn, and it gets pretty close to $30k. OK, $27k-$28k, whatever. That isn't much better, and still a completely asinine price for a base model Ford product. That's 1-series territory. It might be a nice car, but it's still a domestic Ford product, a serious $500+ payment, and a base model Ford at that--it's going to sink in value very hard, and very fast, and with an upper $20ks price of entry, that's absolutely retarded IMO.
...

Then don't buy one. I fail to see why this is your problem, or anyone else's, for that matter.

And FWIW, unless you are a badge whore, a 1-series for under $30K is not a fancy car. In fact, that's the cheapest one you can buy, effectively a stripper, and you will never see one on a BMW dealer lot. Dealers only stock "well-equipped" cars near the top of the range for that model. So someone thinking maybe a 1-series instead of a Mustang this year better be willing to spend alot more money than $30,000 or they aren't getting a BMW.

And FWIW, Mustangs with a V8 were never for "young guys." They were always something you'd have to work a while to be able to afford. And if you wanted a new one, you'd have to have a pretty decent salary. They were never a cheap car, things were just cheaper. And paychecks were smaller.

 

[RED2001GT]

I think that all of these brand new Mustangs, both the V6's and the GT's are all overpriced. I paid $21K for my 2001 GT brand new. I also owned a 2002 V6 which I paid $18,500 for brand new. I think that all the new Mustangs just like the Camaro and the Dodge Charger and Challenger are overpriced. Who the hell has $30,000 for a brand new car nowadays? And who wants to have a $400 to $600 a month car payment for 5 to 6 years? NOT ME!
My vehicles are all paid off. I am going to keep them for as long as I can and I will drive them and enjoy them if I can.

 

[d98gt]

I think that all of these brand new Mustangs, both the V6's and the GT's are all overpriced. I paid $21K for my 2001 GT brand new. I also owned a 2002 V6 which I paid $18,500 for brand new. I think that all the new Mustangs just like the Camaro and the Dodge Charger and Challenger are overpriced. Who the hell has $30,000 for a brand new car nowadays? And who wants to have a $400 to $600 a month car payment for 5 to 6 years? NOT ME!
My vehicles are all paid off. I am going to keep them for as long as I can and I will drive them and enjoy them if I can.

I paid 27.3 for my 2011 back in October. I don't think that a 6k increase is bad for a decade of time.

A quick search showed that gas average was $1.46 for 2001...if only we were still in those days haha

 

[Gearbanger 101]

I think that all of these brand new Mustangs, both the V6's and the GT's are all overpriced. I paid $21K for my 2001 GT brand new. I also owned a 2002 V6 which I paid $18,500 for brand new. I think that all the new Mustangs just like the Camaro and the Dodge Charger and Challenger are overpriced. Who the hell has $30,000 for a brand new car nowadays? And who wants to have a $400 to $600 a month car payment for 5 to 6 years? NOT ME!
My vehicles are all paid off. I am going to keep them for as long as I can and I will drive them and enjoy them if I can.

The price hike is really not that bad when you consider you picked up a 10-year newer car, 150+hp, and an all around superior driving machine? You would have paid that much for a Cobra back then and the '11 GT will serve an '01 Cobra up on a platter.

 

[LarsD]

Thing about the horsepower wars though is that they will be limited. The reason the Camaro/bird got killed in '02 is because GM quit advertising it because they didn't want their name in front of a 12 second car and all of the deaths causing insurance to skyrocket.

Actually what got the Camaro and Firebird killed was new crash standards. GM didn't sell enough of them to merit a total redesign at the time.

You guys have also got to remember. That new V6 may have 305hp, but it also is a heavier car, with V6 torque and power band. I'm not to terribly worried about how either one of my stangs is going to stack up against one (well, not the hatch when it gets its new engine).

 

[Winters98GT]

But please, don't call me a "hater", are you 17?

Let's see here... I've been a member for 11 years, but I'm 17? How old are you?

The new V6 mustangs are nothing but nice vehicles. The average new car price is 27-30k in America. I'd love to have one as a DD, but I can't get a 3rd vehicle right now. If I could, I wouldn't overlook it, and would not be any bit embarrased to drive it. A 6 banger stang is not an "oxymoron". What do you think a lot of the original mustangs had? As far as looks, this is pretty darn good looking to me, but that is just up to you. You can't tell unless you see the 5.0 badge, they all have dual exhaust now.

Ford nailed by the v6 and 5.0. I'd take either one. Since I already have a M6 V8, I'd take an auto v6 and save the money.

 

[katmando911]

Also, these V6's make great sleepers

First 3.7L Mustang in the 12′s Also beats 2011 5.0 Mustang | A 3.7L V6 Mustang Owner Resource for Modifications and Repairs

 

[Deleted member 38176]

V6's are ghey no matter how fast they are

 

[Dustys'99]

Yeah, I'm always a little dissappointed when I meet someone with a new mustang, camaro, challenger, etc. and then they tell me its a v6. Granted they all look great but when they start up and drive away....

 

[fast97gt]

i like you winters cause you have class, any car that has more hp then the early sn95s even the later ones are epic. these s197s are NOT that much heavier then there brotheren sn95s. if im not mistaken winters corrected me on this subject a few months back. but like most ill say it again, mines paid off so ill take the money=payments and save it. sorry ford but i like my sn95 jellybean just fine.