The Complaint Department

[Z28x]

I was being "funny" because you mentioned the 350Z twice in your original post.

Sorry, I meant G35 the second time.

 

[drichard]

Ya but if it is really a bother, just let us vent off that we don't like it... the more you guys answer by saying it's shame we don't like it, the longer the thread stays on top of the board...

Tyler65, if you would kindly delete that thread, I won't mind or cry "censorship"... I'm getting tired myself of that thread...

 

[SVTdriver]

American RWD and then you mention 350z and rx-8 does Chevy or Daimler/chrylser build those? It is coming on cars that start at what the mustang fully loaded goes for. Have you seen the cost of optoins on the mazda? For their grand touring package. It's a $4k option!! ouch! Those cars easily hit the $30k level. And still don't have the power of the mustang gt. There are still cars out there that have solid rear axles as well. Ford chose to develope a better chassis and body. They didn't have the resource to put it in the mustang affordably. Bummer but people can still breathe without it. Nobody has tested this new suspension to see how it handles. I realize this is an if. But what happens if the new suspension is actually better than an IRS suspension? And has lighter weight added. Before we bash the solid axle why not wait until we have real ideas of how it handles. Instead of living in the past complaining about it's bad handling and complaining that it didn't get IRS?

 

[macd23]

guys, i totally disagree with the original poster about the interior, i think it rocks, but he has a right to his opinion and to post it. what kind of "forum" does not allow disagreement or dissent, and only has "positive" posts? it wouldn't be much of a discussion if we all just sat here like lemmings agreeing on how great every aspect of the new mustang is. the thought police need to take a seat on this one.

 

[94SLOWBRA]

I like RWD American products. THe point of my post is that RWD and IRS arn't just for cars like the Vette. The industry is moving to IRS and the Mustang is last to the party. Now I'm not against a live axel Mustang, Thats cool that it is still offered, but the Mainstream stangs should have IRS, leave the live axel to a special drag racing edition. IRS can be done fairly cheap if it is in the design from day one.

I could give 2 *****s about IRS. Majority of people could careless about IRS. I would much rather have the solid 8.8 back there. I have driven 99 and 01 cobra's and I have driven tons of other 4.6 and 5.0 powered GT's. IRS mean nothing. You make it obvious yourself because you are b*tching that it doesn't have it, yet your only reason is "look at all these other cars that have it, 350z, rx8, etc". I have driven both and it makes no difference in ride quality that I notice. Majority of us are never gonna be racing around corners, yet alot of people like to go to the dragstrip.

The newer cars today cost too damn much anyway, I don't need them adding dollars on for something that adds weight and cost. Give me my solid AXLE.

 

[SVTdriver]

Not that I am disagreeing with you. But part of the reason new cars cost so much. Is normal inflation. Yes new technology adds to the price. But a lot of the time. If you look at the cost of a car compared to what the average person earned. In any time period. You will find they come pretty close to the same percentage.

 

[krly79]

I don't like the taillights on the production. However I love the taillights on the concept that reach the length. I don't the "face" of the production, can anyone say UNDER BITE!. However I love the "face" on the concept. I like the side scoops on the back pillars of the concept, but can see why they put windows there on the production. I hate the hood, too plain. The dash is alot too over the top for me. I don't like the mufflers behind the axles, just too much of an eye sore. On top of alot more if I would only take the time to pick them out, which I won't. I don't like it, maybe they will improve with age. HAHAHAHAHA! No Way!

 

[Z28x]

American RWD and then you mention 350z and rx-8 does Chevy or Daimler/chrylser build those? It is coming on cars that start at what the mustang fully loaded goes for. Have you seen the cost of optoins on the mazda? For their grand touring package. It's a $4k option!! ouch! Those cars easily hit the $30k level. And still don't have the power of the mustang gt. There are still cars out there that have solid rear axles as well. Ford chose to develope a better chassis and body. They didn't have the resource to put it in the mustang affordably. Bummer but people can still breathe without it. Nobody has tested this new suspension to see how it handles. I realize this is an if. But what happens if the new suspension is actually better than an IRS suspension? And has lighter weight added. Before we bash the solid axle why not wait until we have real ideas of how it handles. Instead of living in the past complaining about it's bad handling and complaining that it didn't get IRS?

I never said I liked the RX8 or 350Z, nor did I say they were made by DC or GM, please read my post more carefully next time.

So are you saying the G35 or 350Z would be $25K if it had a live axel? The reason those cars cost what they do isn't because of the IRS, its is because they are being sold at a lower volume and/or there chassis weren't engineered to be build at lower costs. Just look at the Lincon LS chassis, Ford couldn't use that chassis "as-is" becuase it would have been to expensive to put the mustang on. That is why they developed a cheaper version of it. A Lincon LS based Mustang GT probably would have cost just as much as a GTO or G35 even if it still had the live axel.

 

[SVTdriver]

You did state you liked american rwd. And if you look at your post changing the 2nd 350z to a g35 then it was more than half import. I have not heard of any limit on the G-35 other than as many as they can sell. As for based on the LS chassis you don't know that for sure. That chassis may not even have allowed for a live axle. And what exactly is your point. I'm sorry to sound so harsh. But everytime you bring up IRS you use cars that can easily beat the mustang in price. Yet you don't want that as a factor in the debate. But it is a factor. Pricing the mustang gt like a GTO would impede it's chances of selling well. The G-35 and 350z are less powerful than the mustang gt but in stripped form are as expensive as a loaded gt.

 

[woodyb1]

I am new to the board but have been reading it for quite some time! I am really amused by some of the people who are saying negative things about the 2005 Mustang. Comparing it to Japanese or German cars...give me a break! The only two things I am not really keen on are the wheels and the lack of the side scoop.

 

[Z28x]

As for based on the LS chassis you don't know that for sure. That chassis may not even have allowed for a live axle. And what exactly is your point. I'm sorry to sound so harsh. But everytime you bring up IRS you use cars that can easily beat the mustang in price. Yet you don't want that as a factor in the debate. But it is a factor. Pricing the mustang gt like a GTO would impede it's chances of selling well. The G-35 and 350z are less powerful than the mustang gt but in stripped form are as expensive as a loaded gt.

It is a fact that Ford didn't use the Lincon LS chassis for the Mustang because it was too expensive. That is why they develpoed a cheaper version of it which will support both live axel and IRS.

The reason those other cars are so much more expensive is b/c they can be. Not becuase of IRS. RWD is seen as more of a luxury thing lately that is why most RWD cost more. THe Mustang is one of the only RWD cars that has stayed affordable so it is hard to find a good comparison based on price. But some new models coming out are RWD and inexpensive. the Chrysler 300 is RWD and has IRS for $23,595, and the Pontiac Solstice is going to be RWD IRS and cost under $20K.

My point is RWD cars can have IRS and be affordable. I would have liked to seen it on all Mustangs but in the end it really doesn't matter to me if the V6 stang has it b/c I will be buying a Cobra (or another Mustang above 350HP)

 

[SVTdriver]

And both those cars have low hp engines. 170 or 250 hp. And again you are ignoring the fact that nobody knows how well this new chassis may handle.

 

[LaserPony02]

Quite an amusing thread. IRS? Not important to me. Plain hood, no side scoops? I am not a big fan of the FAKE scoops on my 02 GT. Too retro? That's what I think of when someone says "Mustang". NOT a Fox body. How come nobody is talking up the new 3 valve cylinder heads with VCT, newly designed front AND rear suspension, bigger brakes (12.4 inch front rotors. Cobra territory.) New two piece drive shaft that will cut down on NVH, newly designed SHIFT LINKAGE for the 3650 TREMEC to satisfy all the current 3650 owners who cry about "grinding" (Adjust your clutch and then push it in before you try to shift! )
Optional 18 inch wheels, hot new stereo system to replace the ageing MACH system, etc.
Worried about exposed mufflers? Ask us Magnaflow catback owners how we wish you could see the polished stainless steel mufflers because they are pretty.
I love my 02GT but that car will be GONE when the 05 goes on sale. Hopefully there will still be some haters so I will have no problem selling it. God Bless Ford and God Bless America.
Oh yeah, for all you IRS guys out there, Ford actually makes a Mustang with it from the factory. It says C-O-B-R-A on the rear fascia. Except in 1999. It still says M-U-S-T-A-N-G on it.
Peace and love.

 

[macd23]

let me just say that i am THRILLED with the 2005 Mustang.......Ford has hit a home run....i was worried they would butcher the concept, but there are many things i actually like BETTER about the production car! however, i have 2 minor beefs:

[1]The side Mirrors! Flat black plastic? on a $25,000 car, they should at least spent the $5 and color key the side mirrors, it would do a lot to finish a near visually perfect car.........

[2]the rear exhaust pans, i don't like them and i don't like the excuse that it "made sense", is "safer" or "had to be done"....from what i read they designed this car completely from scratch....other sports/muscle cars with dual exhaust have nice straight pipes, there is no reason they couldn't have somehow engineered this in the time they had.

eitherway, these are minor because i feel both are very easy to fix aftermarket, but they are what makes the car a 9.5 instead of a 9.9 in my book (no car is perfect, so no 10s)....either way they did such a great job INSIDE and OUT that i am actually really tempted to buy one....and it is not in my interest financially at this early point in my career to do it! anyway great job Ford!!!! Thank you for finally bringing us the mustang we have wanted for a long time!

 

[Z28x]

Worried about exposed mufflers?

3 words "SLP Loud Mouth" No mufflers, only resonators.

 

[macd23]

this is the most retro design of the mustang since the original pony car. its that simple. it screams 60s muscle car

 

[JimF65]

What about the 350Z?

The 350Z? IRS, goes like h**l!! Blows any Mustang away, straight or curved road... and costs less. My (future) son-in-law has one. Awesome car I wish Detroit would look at!! Correction: I wish Detroit would build something that would go like that!!! I don't care for Asian cars (can't afford the repair bills).... Would have been GREAT if the new Mustang were in that class, but with 2+2 seats. >sigh<

I was SO wishing Ford would build a Mustang for this century. I've always liked Mustangs (well, except for the pentangs of the 70). Guess I'll have to keep waiting. And driving my imported Formula a bit longer - along with the 65 when the weather is good.

 

[SVTdriver]

I guess your perception is different from mine. I tried the 350z track edition. It does not blow any mustang away. My 97 would tear it apart. It has huge blindspots and the rear window looks about as big as a file card through the rearview mirror. It was so quiet I couldn't tell if it was running half the time. Brakes felt no better than my 97. And my 97 can spin the tires WAYYY better than the Z. And only costs less if you know someone. I couldn't get the dealer to talk about anything lower than $28k for the base model. They wanted $36 for the track edition. Another dealer wanted $38k for a touring edition. Worst of all the touring edition was used. I really have to find where people are getting all these deals on cars.

 

[tylers65]

The 350Z? IRS, goes like h**l!! Blows any Mustang away, straight or curved road... and costs less. My (future) son-in-law has one. Awesome car I wish Detroit would look at!! Correction: I wish Detroit would build something that would go like that!!! I don't care for Asian cars (can't afford the repair bills).... Would have been GREAT if the new Mustang were in that class, but with 2+2 seats. >sigh<

I was SO wishing Ford would build a Mustang for this century. I've always liked Mustangs (well, except for the pentangs of the 70). Guess I'll have to keep waiting. And driving my imported Formula a bit longer - along with the 65 when the weather is good.

I hate to say this, but I have at least 6 hours of drive time in a 350Z. It will NOT blow ANY Mustang away. My 65 Fastback is faster than the car I drove. It handles good, but I wouldn't dare say it could beat any year cobra in the twisties. Unfortunately, I think you have overly generous feelings about this car.

He paid $35,000 for the Performance Edition. A New 03 Cobra can be had for less than that. The Cobra would make extremely short work of the 350Z.

Not trying to start anything, but I think you might be mistaken about the 350Z's performance.

 

[TR03Mach1]

The 350Z? IRS, goes like h**l!! Blows any Mustang away, straight or curved road... and costs less. My (future) son-in-law has one. Awesome car I wish Detroit would look at!! Correction: I wish Detroit would build something that would go like that!!! I don't care for Asian cars (can't afford the repair bills).... Would have been GREAT if the new Mustang were in that class, but with 2+2 seats. >sigh<

I was SO wishing Ford would build a Mustang for this century. I've always liked Mustangs (well, except for the pentangs of the 70). Guess I'll have to keep waiting. And driving my imported Formula a bit longer - along with the 65 when the weather is good.

You definitely need to put down the pipe or whatever you're tokin' on there fella. 350z's are nothing special. They sure can't blow away any Mustang. Now go outside and get some fresh air.