What can we expect from the next gen Kebra? The Cammer has 440, but "can be tuned to" closer to 500hp.....Should we expect to see the Kebra come in around the 450 mark? That'd be nuts.
So if the GT-R has somewhere near 500 hp.....
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5ohMustang
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I'm seeing it as probably going like so:
Mustang GT- Standard V8 Mustang
Mustang GT350- A step up from the GT, but still below the cobra (like the Mach 1's and such)
Mustang GT500- I think this will probably replace the Cobra
Mustang GT-R- The replacement for the Cobra R
This would seem to be the most reasonable way of doing things. As for putting out a 500hp GT and a 500hp GT-R at the same time, I think you have to realize the Ford GT is much more than just power. It's got great looks and great handling. It's a purpose built (purpose being racing) car, where as the mustang GT-R is nothing more than a 500hp Mustang with a gutted interior and some cosmetic work.
Just my take on it.
-Brian
Mustang GT- Standard V8 Mustang
Mustang GT350- A step up from the GT, but still below the cobra (like the Mach 1's and such)
Mustang GT500- I think this will probably replace the Cobra
Mustang GT-R- The replacement for the Cobra R
This would seem to be the most reasonable way of doing things. As for putting out a 500hp GT and a 500hp GT-R at the same time, I think you have to realize the Ford GT is much more than just power. It's got great looks and great handling. It's a purpose built (purpose being racing) car, where as the mustang GT-R is nothing more than a 500hp Mustang with a gutted interior and some cosmetic work.
Just my take on it.
-Brian
Even with serious suspension upgrades and a 500hp DOHC 5.0, the GT-R would really only have the Viper and Z06 as competitors. The Ford GT is aimed at the exotics. It also puts down over 550hp to the wheels, which I can assure you is beyond the realm of a factory-issue N/A 5.0 DOHC motor.
Keep in mind that in current trim, the GT-R is strictly a track vehicle. It's possible that Ford might bump up the power of the Ford GT using the 6.4L V10 in the final production run, but I would suspect that they're not overly concerned about internal competition from a very low-run $50k Mustang.
I'm looking forward to seeing what SVT does with the Mustang, though...
Keep in mind that in current trim, the GT-R is strictly a track vehicle. It's possible that Ford might bump up the power of the Ford GT using the 6.4L V10 in the final production run, but I would suspect that they're not overly concerned about internal competition from a very low-run $50k Mustang.
I'm looking forward to seeing what SVT does with the Mustang, though...
blazinsteed
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You don't have the creature comforts or refinements and is designed as a different type of race car and the gt makes more than 550 at the wheels
Roger
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5ohMustang said:
Isn't the GT-R built for racing....that's why it's gutted with a rollcage??
Also, I know the GT puts down 550 (+), but it's just rated at 500 correct?
SadbutTrue
Founding Member
ford re-rated it at 550, but the day after that happened someone reported it dynoing at 560+ at the wheels, meaning it has well over 600 (possibly close to 650, though no one is positive on tranny loss at those figures) at the fly. So its hard to say where it is for sure, except that its between 550 and 650.
Regarding the Cammer HP ratings. Don't get too carried away, this is a race car, it is not a street car!
Ford has been racing a version of the 5.0 Cammer in the Grand Am Sports Car Racing Series. The engines are built and tuned by Robert Yates Racing. They reportedly put out over 505 HP. But again, these are race engines, they do not have cats, have tuned header exhaust systems, run on 100+ octane racing fuel and the engines only go 3,000 - 5,000 miles between re-builds.
That doesn't sound like the kind of engine that I want in my street car.
Ford has been racing a version of the 5.0 Cammer in the Grand Am Sports Car Racing Series. The engines are built and tuned by Robert Yates Racing. They reportedly put out over 505 HP. But again, these are race engines, they do not have cats, have tuned header exhaust systems, run on 100+ octane racing fuel and the engines only go 3,000 - 5,000 miles between re-builds.
That doesn't sound like the kind of engine that I want in my street car.
Rootus
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Yeah, any engine that makes peak power at 7000 RPM isn't really tuned for the street (IMHO, of course 
). Still a nice motor, just tune it for a bit more torque down low. How I wish Ford would come up with a 302 4V motor with a 4" stroke and 3" bore... think of the possibilities! 
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Dave
). Still a nice motor, just tune it for a bit more torque down low. How I wish Ford would come up with a 302 4V motor with a 4" stroke and 3" bore... think of the possibilities! .Dave
Special editions are good but this is better.
It would be even cooler to be able to order a totally custom ride.
By filling out a checklist. you start with a base chassis and select such options as:
t-56
forged internals
9-inch rear end
suspension (spring rates, shocks, etc)
supercharger or turbocharger. (novi 2000, twin turbos)
fuel system (pumps, injectors)
Cost of your car would be dictated by what options you select.
they wouldnt have to offer every damn part out there, just the most popular ones.
I think this system is gonna be the future. Consumer trends hint this to me.
are we ever gonna see a cobra with twin turbos from the factory? (why or why not, and do you personally want to see that?)
It would be even cooler to be able to order a totally custom ride.
By filling out a checklist. you start with a base chassis and select such options as:
t-56
forged internals
9-inch rear end
suspension (spring rates, shocks, etc)
supercharger or turbocharger. (novi 2000, twin turbos)
fuel system (pumps, injectors)
Cost of your car would be dictated by what options you select.
they wouldnt have to offer every damn part out there, just the most popular ones.
I think this system is gonna be the future. Consumer trends hint this to me.
are we ever gonna see a cobra with twin turbos from the factory? (why or why not, and do you personally want to see that?)
tommy0022 said:
I don't think that will ever happen, well maybe if they are dealer installed options. Factory cars are moving more towards packages. It is cheaper for the manufactorer to build the least amount of combinations as possible. It is also easier to sell cars off the lot than way.
tommy0022 said:
No, CAFE
The last time I checked my calendar, it said 2004, not 1966.
You will not see options for turbo, twin turbo, injectors etc. To strart, whenever you bolt on any of those items you have to update the PCM (Computer code). You then need to have engineers do testing and come up with calibration data for all environmental extremes, AZ desert hoth weather tesing, Altitude testing in CO and cold weather testing in Canada. Any change you make to the engine requires EPA testing & certification for emissions, gas mileage etc. along with drivability testing. Plus any new combination has to be run through Ford's durability testing. Next, all the information has to be put in the service manuals and the techs trained. Finally spare parts have to be kept in inventory for a minimum of 10 years.
Bottom line - It ain't gonna happen.
You will not see options for turbo, twin turbo, injectors etc. To strart, whenever you bolt on any of those items you have to update the PCM (Computer code). You then need to have engineers do testing and come up with calibration data for all environmental extremes, AZ desert hoth weather tesing, Altitude testing in CO and cold weather testing in Canada. Any change you make to the engine requires EPA testing & certification for emissions, gas mileage etc. along with drivability testing. Plus any new combination has to be run through Ford's durability testing. Next, all the information has to be put in the service manuals and the techs trained. Finally spare parts have to be kept in inventory for a minimum of 10 years.
Bottom line - It ain't gonna happen.
yes it is 2004 , bet you wish it was 66 though? (even though you were a useless putz then too)
e.p.a. shmeepeeyay, the mass of consumers desires get attention.(regardless of formalities necessary, such as testing, regulations)
anyway like I was sayin,
anythings possible aka never say never.
If this takes the form of "packages" so be it. In a few years my idea is unlikely but in a decade I wouldnt bet against such a possibility.
A twin turbo cobra r (just an example) would surely be a good promotional device for Ford at any rate. (especially on a dohc V8) I imagine it would put out over 600rwhp. (why not?)
e.p.a. shmeepeeyay, the mass of consumers desires get attention.(regardless of formalities necessary, such as testing, regulations)
anyway like I was sayin,
anythings possible aka never say never.
If this takes the form of "packages" so be it. In a few years my idea is unlikely but in a decade I wouldnt bet against such a possibility.
A twin turbo cobra r (just an example) would surely be a good promotional device for Ford at any rate. (especially on a dohc V8) I imagine it would put out over 600rwhp. (why not?)
tommy0022 said:
You obviously have no clue about how this stuff works. The entire vehicle package needs to be tested. This costs many millions of dollars. Ford would never make up for the cost of testing with sales. The F-150 is perhaps the most factory-customizable vehicle currently on the market. The F-150 sells enough units and has a big enough profit margin to justify it, but even there, most options are not related to the powertrain.
Rootus
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I don't see how it would be any different putting a turbo on than the Eaton blower. Both require tuning & calibration, CAFE is a consideration for both, etc. It would have to be one or the other, though.
awalbert88 - you should think before you type .
Of course the entire turbo package would have to be tested vigorously, ANY NEW SYSTEM MUST BE. And yes, It would cost money. What do you think they had to do to the Eaton Cobras before they were released to the public, huh, come on now bud think before you try to come on here and act like you know something. Your a big useless bull****ter. (finally some truth and fact in the forum)
Your basically denouncing an entire technology simply because its new (well thats not even true, japs use em now, hell even dodge did with Stealth)
and besides I didnt even propose it for mass production, I suggested it be used on the 50,000+ cobra r. (which incidentaly is engineered for racing = less standards to meet)
Man, I cant believe how many BS'ers
there are on these forums. Oh, well they give us entertainment as we get to watch our fellow forum members shoot their ignorant arses down and expose their bumpkin intellect.
(oh yah I said Bumpkin!)
next......
Of course the entire turbo package would have to be tested vigorously, ANY NEW SYSTEM MUST BE. And yes, It would cost money. What do you think they had to do to the Eaton Cobras before they were released to the public, huh, come on now bud think before you try to come on here and act like you know something. Your a big useless bull****ter. (finally some truth and fact in the forum)
Your basically denouncing an entire technology simply because its new (well thats not even true, japs use em now, hell even dodge did with Stealth)
and besides I didnt even propose it for mass production, I suggested it be used on the 50,000+ cobra r. (which incidentaly is engineered for racing = less standards to meet)
Man, I cant believe how many BS'ers
there are on these forums. Oh, well they give us entertainment as we get to watch our fellow forum members shoot their ignorant arses down and expose their bumpkin intellect.(oh yah I said Bumpkin!)
next......
awalbert88 said:
thanks for the f-150 history lesson, weenie. I bet you are just like the "Android Dungeon" guy on Simpsons. spouting topic irrelevant information in a desperate effort to win respect. heres a hint, if you aint got it yet you are never gonna have it, and especially not on here if your gonna make weak arguments like that...... putz
