New Stang vs top Ricer Cars

[GT5oh]

THe '04 GT is slower but can also be had for $10,000 less than a STI. Mach 1 will beat an Evo and go neck and neck with the STI for $5K-7K less after rebate and the superchraged Cobra will smoke all those cars.

Apparently someone missed the Hot Rod cover story a few months back. STi vs. Cobra, the Cobra didnt do any smoking the STi did! I always thought the STi and EVO were a bit overpriced until I saw that article, for what they can do they arent overpriced! Mitsu is also comming out with a stripper EVO the RS that chops 88 lbs, losses the boy ricer spoiler, and a better limited-slip diff up front, all for $27,000. They arent stoppin there either for $32,000 the new EVO MR has 285 hp, 295 ft-lbs, and a whole bunch of new and updated goodies. These cars performance wise are a better bang for the buck (stock for stock), and in stock form can run neck and neck with an 03-04 Cobra in a straight line!

 

[RydeOn]

Apparently someone missed the Hot Rod cover story a few months back.

That Hot Rod article is utter crap. I cant believe you take that article seriously.

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=453613

And if you dont bother reading the link, Ill say this once: The 03-04 cobra is a 12 SECOND CAR!

 

[69stanger]

the new EVO MR will easily break 12s I doubt the new Mustang GT will (but I hope it does).

I would suggest getting the car you like the best not the one you think you will score chicks with. I have seen ugly dudes in POS civic hatchbacks pick up some of the most beautiful women, and I have seen guys in new Audis, BMWs and Mercedes strike out with these same women.

anyways an EVO has way to stiff a suspension for most chicks and they will probably hate riding in it for more than a couple minutes.


personally I would take the EVO over a GT

 

[Sxhawnn]

Thanx for the feed back guys and for the guy that asked I live in LA California, all ofthis has been great input and I guess i am leaning towards the Evo at the moment although I still have a lot of love for the mustang. I guess one of the things that bothers me about the mustang is that while the evo ells about 3,500 a year, the GT's gonna sell like 20 times that amount (not sure just guessing) so what it comes down to is how rare the car is and btw i want to leave most of the car stock because my parents won't pay for mods and I don't have 5 gs lieing around.

 

[Sxhawnn]

"That Hot Rod article is utter crap. I cant believe you take that article seriously.

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=453613

And if you dont bother reading the link, Ill say this once: The 03-04 cobra is a 12 SECOND CAR!"

I hang out at the tracks sometimes over at the Irvindale speedway where I live and yea I agree that the 03-04 cobras are capable of running in the 12 second range but thats when it is launched, something thats not always done in a road test. I've also seen a couple of Evo's run in 12s when they are launched by a capable driver. I'm not sure but I think the Evo is faster than an STi in a straight line from 0-60 and 1/4 mile times but they're pretty much the same except the STi is uglier with an even uglier price tag

 

[Road_Runna]

stock for stock, and STi or an evo will have it, at a race.

ohhh that's right, those imports already have a power adder (turbo). Ok slap a turbo charger or a super charger on a 2005 mustang, then come back and write any, if any responces you have.

oh, btw. A 4v block that the current GT's have, you can still crack out close to 1000 hp without craking the block.

 

[mp67]

and the azn girls wouldn't look twice at a mustang.... so i guess that goes into the decision

If you need a car to pull women then you might as well walk...

 

[Z28x]

Apparently someone missed the Hot Rod cover story a few months back. STi vs. Cobra, the Cobra didnt do any smoking the STi did! I always thought the STi and EVO were a bit overpriced until I saw that article, for what they can do they arent overpriced! Mitsu is also comming out with a stripper EVO the RS that chops 88 lbs, losses the boy ricer spoiler, and a better limited-slip diff up front, all for $27,000. They arent stoppin there either for $32,000 the new EVO MR has 285 hp, 295 ft-lbs, and a whole bunch of new and updated goodies. These cars performance wise are a better bang for the buck (stock for stock), and in stock form can run neck and neck with an 03-04 Cobra in a straight line!

At the drag strip near me all the STOCK '03-04 Cobra are hitting 12's or at least 13.0, pully swap and K&N and they are doing 12.5. Most STOCK STIs had a hard time getting out of the 14's. THe fastest STOCK STI at the track has done a 13.8. Maybe the STI drivers just suck at life

 

[Omegalock]

Or they don't feel like launching at the high RPMs that you need to launch at to get those 12 second time slips.
Anyway on the topic of CObras running 12s yes you have to launch it. Just like any other car you have to launch it you can't just sit at idle and roll your way to a 12 second quarter. But the difference between the two a Cobra driver can easily give their car a little bit of throttle launch it and not worry about burning their clutch out within a few months. Is the STi and Evo capable of the 12s like the Cobra? Yeah. Will you see a crap load more stock Cobras running into the 12s compared to Evo and STi drivers? YES due to the fact Cobra owners aren't risking breaking their car by launching it constantly. The only time Cobra owners have to worry about busting anything on their car is when they push out a crap load of power and still have the stock IRS in place.

Sxhawnn, dude I can totally understand your situation but you have to think about what's more important to you.

Do you want the faster car? Get the Evo. The 05 GT won't touch it(although you could get a much faster car by copping a used 03 Cobra and the mods aren't expensive at all.)
Do you want the car you can pick up girls in? Neither the 05 GT or the Evo will do that by itself. You gotta have the game to back it up. Although since the 05 is newer you'll probably be able to impress more people for about 8 months until they become common.
If you want a car to pick up the girlies....get a nice BMW or Mercedes or a luxury SUV like an Escalade or Navigator. Most women are not impressed by speed they are impressed by a nice comfy ride,bling bling, and status. An Evo although pricey is not going to filter into a common woman's mind as being a status symbol. You roll up on them in an Escalade with 22" rims leather interior and a nice sound system and you'll have more than enough pull with that.

Or you could do the smart thing. Just get what will make you happy and let things fall where they may. Drive both cars and see what makes you more happy. That's what your decision should be.

 

[Z28x]

Do you want the faster car? Get the Evo. The 05 GT won't touch it(although you could get a much faster car by copping a used 03 Cobra and the mods aren't expensive at all).

Stock for Stock the Evo and the '05 GT should be about the same. 271hp/3200lbs. vs. 300hp/3425lbs. The Evo is a high 13 sec. car at best. Most magazines tested them at 13.6-14.1. I think the '05 would probably beat the Evo all day from a roll and cost $5K less.

 

[rhumbline]

I think a big thing being missed in this discussion is that it is focusing almost exclusively on simple straight, off-the-line acceleration. While certainly an important part of the performance envelope, it is only but a part. The EVO and STi, while quite fast in that one realm, really isn't what these cars are all about. Rather, they are about a much more fully fleshed performance envelope in a wide range of road conditions.

In that regard, combine their impressive acceleration with kitty-on-a-curtain AWD traction, scalpal-sharp steering, sticky tires, huge brakes and an excellent overall balance makes them extremely fast in a wide range of conditions and circumstances where the Stang, at least the current editions, quickly falter and loose there edge.

Of course, if your interest is very narrowly focused merely on straight line acceleration, it would be pretty close stock for stock though the Stang would likely have more overall modded potential. But the EVO and STi simply aren't focused nor optimized solely for that single performance test. If you're interested in a broader overall performance capability, then the objectively superior ride is not so clear at all and, depending on roads, circumstances and conditions, may well favor the two Japanese models.

As for subjective aspects, well, I'll leave that up to individual tastes.

 

[Boomer v3.8]

oh, btw. A 4v block that the current GT's have, you can still crack out close to 1000 hp without craking the block.

Psssst
The 2004 Mustang GT is only 2v per cyl. (its a 16 Valve Engine)
The 2005 Mustang GT will be 3v (24 Valve)
And the mach1s/Cobras have 4v (32 valve)

 

[Omegalock]

Stock for Stock the Evo and the '05 GT should be about the same. 271hp/3200lbs. vs. 300hp/3425lbs. The Evo is a high 13 sec. car at best. Most magazines tested them at 13.6-14.1. I think the '05 would probably beat the Evo all day from a roll and cost $5K less.

Well I'm giving the car the benefit of the doubt that it's capable of low low 13s if the driver is willing to absolutely thrash it kind of like the STi. Yeah you would take one from a roll but I don't like racing from a roll because you aren't given that little advantage at the drag strip.

 

[Boss 351]

Get what makes you happy man! I'd get a new Mustang because that's what I'd like. From my experience cars with a heavy sound system will pick up chicks. I currently drive an Escort ZX2 with a good system and I have had a few girls come to me at the parking lot at a bar I hang out at. But those types of girls are nothing but trouble

So get what you like, enjoy driving it and let nothing but yourself pick up chicks And remember speed is great but to get a car that has tons of potential is a greater investment. At one point you'll get tired of a I4 banger buzz and will aim for something a little classier like an H4, H6, V6, I6, V8, V10, W12, etc...

 

[CatmanJJ]

Also don't factory turbo cars require a ton of maintenance. Mustang are built to be abused and will last a long time (not saying that the other cars won't last, but will cost more to maintain) with minimal maintenance.

Most of the advantage (stock) for the STi and Evo comes from their AWD drive on the launch. Slap some DRs and some healthy gears (4.10s+) in a Stang and you'll see what V8 torque is all about. Or if you really wanna get silly the OHC Modular add some boost via S/C, turbo or nitrous. U can get brand new premium GT now and supercharge it will all the goodies and dust any of those new age imports for less then 30 grand. But it all comes down to taste.

 

[65shlbycln]

The EVO isnt rice. It doesnt matter if you are asian or not. I'm half asian. Rice is a style, not a particular car. If you go about calling all asian cars rice, you're doing them a disservice.

 

[ThRippeR]

This is still an unbalanced comparison. If we are talking about Imports with factory Turbos, we should be comparing them to a 2005 with a Supercharger. Those are the true comparison numbers, especially considering the price difference.

Plus, we are all basing handling on past experience. None of us know how the new Mustang with handle, although we have been promised much better. The car is completely new. Previous experience doesn't factor in.

My opinion on cars is that I could care less what other people think. I buy my cars for me, because they match my personality. They are an extension of you. I think that unless you need a car right now, it would not be wise to make this decision until you drive both for yourself.

 

[mp67]

The EVO isnt rice. It doesnt matter if you are asian or not. I'm half asian. Rice is a style, not a particular car. If you go about calling all asian cars rice, you're doing them a disservice.

Rice is not a stlye. It's actually a slightly racist term depending on how you look at it. The term riceburner, ricemobiles, ricer, etc.. came about in the 70's to describe any car from asian countries, being that alot of rice was a big part of the Asian diet. Teenagers in American cars were using the terms in the 70's to describe these cars long before big wings, fart pipes, and stickers became popular. I used to call my dads little toyota four door a riceburner all of the time back then. No wings, rims, stickers or anything on it. Back then there were not any evo's or fast asian cars over here. They were all 120hp four bangers that got such good mileage, and were so slow, we said they were burning rice instead of gasoline.

 

[mp67]

This is still an unbalanced comparison. If we are talking about Imports with factory Turbos, we should be comparing them to a 2005 with a Supercharger. Those are the true comparison numbers, especially considering the price difference.

My opinion on cars is that I could care less what other people think. I buy my cars for me, because they match my personality. They are an extension of you.

I agree.

And there are very few people who are actually torn about the decision of an EVO or a Stang. Most people fall into one camp or another.

 

[new22003]

This is a pretty good topic for a change.

I like the Lancer Evo and the Subaru STI. They are neat cars and the top of the import food chain in my opinion. You are starting to see more and more of them on the street and they are the real competition for the Stang that you will meet at a stoplight.

They may not share the same market but they do share the same performance segment.

The advantage the mustang has of course is its cheaper than the other two and will now have 300 hp from he factory. We don’t know how it will perform but it should be on par with the lancer or evo.

Its also a better platform for mods and will be cheaper to mod. Mustangs sell so many and its owner base has to modify more than any other type of car. Its $5000 cheaper and a supercharger will run you $4000 and give you 400 hp.

To get a 400-500 horsepower mustang isn’t too hard or expensive. I also see more high horsepower daily driven Stangs than imports. Imports get cranky when they are so highly tuned or have to be de-tuned for the street. You can get decent power out of a small engine it just doesn’t last a long time. That’s why you see so many pull a good dyno number and then run half the horsepower on the street. A 500 horsepower 4 cyl engine is much more stressed than a 500 horsepower v8.

Maintenance is also a killer. The lancer and STI have all wheel drive which is great but you blow that out you will be out some bucks and probably have to take it back to Subaru. I can rebuild my mustang rear end for $200 in parts and easily do it myself or have any 1 of a 100 shops do it. You also can’t beat full on power over steer from a rear drive car.

My last mustang, an 89, was a low 11 second pump gas car with a/c and full options that went 100,000 miles and still going strong when I sold it. How many 10 year old Subaru’s and Mitsubishis do you see on the road? I can’t remember the last SVX I laid eyes on.