LS1 vs 04GT

TARZAN said:
The BS is strong throughout this thread. :lol:

Stock LS1's can run mid (and sometimes low) 13's BONE stock. But with a bad driver, they're lowly 14 second cars just like us. My g/f drives an 02 SS, and she runs anywhere from mid 13's to mid 14's :)

Also, it doesn't take a S/C to beat an LS1 :rolleyes:. Gears, DR's, exhaust, tune, and a driver. Then you just go from there ;)

-Will

I said I wouldn't run my GT unless I put a S/C on it because I would like it to hit faster than my Z28's 13.4 while still being street and smog legal like my Z28 was. I like to run my cars the same as they are driven to work every day, so other than a low tank of gas I don't do any other weight savings, I run on stock or my everyday street tires. Gears would help out a lot and I plan on them, but exhaust wise I would have to run long tube headers, mid pipe with no cats, and a cat-back. Cat back and shorties are the only things I can run here in lame California so I know I can't do it without a power adder.

The way I look it is the GT's all seem to be running around mid to low 14's in stock trim. I would need to knock a second off that time at least. That usually equates to some big power, and a S/C would be the best bet for me.
 
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my 98Z28 was fast as H3ll at the top end but my stang would rape it on the bottom end............actually my best time in the stang stock is a 14.01 and the best time in my Z was a 13.98......Ls1s are really hard to drive...i eventually got my LS1 down to a 13.28 but i really felt that wasnt worth it when it was having a new engine dropped in it every 10k miles due to piston slap scoring the cylinder walls. I had 3 engines in 30k miles....when the warranty was up i sold the car!
 
You know they say each LS1 leaves the factory with a drop of Holy Water in the antifreeze :hail2:

And no later LS1's aren't any faster they are just not beat enough yet! Although they do have better clutch hydraulics. The early cars tend to leave the clutch on the floor after quick shifts.
 
4.6modular said:
Those extra 65 cubes help alot 346 vs 281. Hmmmm tell me which one you think would be faster.
Yep they do.Infact its a good rule of thumb that (as told by DSS) every 1 CID will net you 1 HP, so taking that we can see that 65 plus the 260 we already have takes us to 325HP....just what the SS camaro is advertised at.The 4.6 lacks cubic inch, its that simple.Its like comparing a 4 banger to a V6 given a stock N/A engine, which can get more power?Its simple.A 281 CID engine can never make the power that a 346 CID engine can.
 
In my 01 trans am ws6 i ran a 13.4, stock. with drags i was running 13.02, then when i got exhaust,intake,and chip i hit 12.8. that was a mean car! but my old and now rotting in some junkyard 95 Lt1 Z28 ran a 14.48, that car was ****! i hated it. should have gotten a cobra... but its to late now. F-bodies are pretty awsome stock, but i think stangs are so much cooler! i would never get an F-body again! unless i could buy my T/A back from my bro, i kinda liked that car, sorry guys, it was my first power house car
 
hotmustang331 said:
Yep they do.Infact its a good rule of thumb that (as told by DSS) every 1 CID will net you 1 HP

That's not a very good rule of thumb, at least not in this case. Even when comparing two GM motors...going by that rule of thumb, the LS1 would be roughly 4hp behind the LT1...and we know that's not true. The LT1 and LS1 are two different motors, just like the 4.6 and LS1 are two different motors.


hotmustang331 said:
Its simple.A 281 CID engine can never make the power that a 346 CID engine can.

Sure it can, it's called forced induction.


4.6 guys bitching about cubic inches (or lack thereof) is just the same as LS1 guys bitching about the Cobra having a blower. So what...go mod your car.
 
02LS1 said:
4.6 guys bitching about cubic inches (or lack thereof) is just the same as LS1 guys bitching about the Cobra having a blower. So what...go mod your car.
this is the smartest thing said so far. i dont know why, but i dont often lose to any of these cars in this thread, so...i dunno.

although the mustang lacks cubes, it seems as though it has a much better factory drag suspension. It gives a lot of lift at the front and a lot of squat in the back. (sure there is more to be desired, but the factory stuff is good for high 12s on street tires)

I think that something like a 4.10 or 4.30 geared stang with maybe an x pipe and bumped timing or pulleys shouldnt have too much of a problem with ls1s, or lt1s.(as long as you are a decent driver)
 
Damn if all you guys have seen bone stock 01-02 LS1s run 13s that is weird. Honestly there good motors but there turning into the 5.0s. There going to be seeing there last years soon. After the LS2 comes and goes people are going to be like LSWHAT?

If GM get Ferrari those car are going to be all OHC. Well who knows they still might be calling it a LSSZZ3 or something so it will still be a LS motor.
 
LS1s are nice, but I have no problem pulling a Stock 02 SS.......and my car is nothing special, just a mild bolt on GT.......everyone thinks it takes a blower or somthing....nah. Just the right bolt ons, and some good driving.....im only at about 260 rwhp.......never got her dynod though.....

Dave
 
A bolt on A4 LS1 can run as quick as 11.5 in the 1/4 mile, and most full bolt on LS1's can run mid to high 11's. Totally stock they can cut a 2.0X-2.1 60ft, 1/4 mile somewhere in the 13's.

I'll agree with something I saw earlier. People who complain b/c LS1 is bigger are retarded. That is like a ricers argument, it's their own fault they bought a smaller, weaker engine. People who complain the Cobra has a blower are equally retarded. When a car beats you, bitching about what it has that you don't is just ridiculous. Personally, my 98 LS1 with a few bolt ons (exhaust, stall, nittos, lid, CAI) will hopefully be running low 12's. Will have to wait and see........

Also, my 98 A4 Z28 (weakest stock LS1 for dyno purposes) made 320rwhp/337rwtq with nothing but a lid and full exhaust. Newer M6 cars can make that much with nothing but lid and cat-back, or even stock.
 
Why is it that everytime some one posts an LS1 kill the entire board gets dragged into a which is better contest. You people are sad, everyone knows that a stock SRT-4 would kill an LS1 by 5 car lengths and a GT by 8.5. Facts are facts, the real debate should be why we don't all drive Neons...

By the way my car raped an LS1 Z28 last Sunday at Baytown...just a few bolts on's...;)
 
Red35th said:
Why is it that everytime some one posts an LS1 kill the entire board gets dragged into a which is better contest. You people are sad, everyone knows that a stock SRT-4 would kill an LS1 by 5 car lengths and a GT by 8.5. Facts are facts, the real debate should be why we don't all drive Neon...
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Yeah, sure, if you say so :rlaugh:
Since when does the Dodge Neon SRT-4, stock, run anything faster than high 13's, low 14's? You must be joking.
 
Ls1's are very fast at the top but suck down low but what is it that causes them to be dogs off the line?? they have higher hp/tq numbers than our 4.6's but why are we pulling on them off the line??
 
396LT1 said:
Ls1's are very fast at the top but suck down low but what is it that causes them to be dogs off the line?? they have higher hp/tq numbers than our 4.6's but why are we pulling on them off the line??

What kind of 60 fts do you guys run at the track? A good, properly driven stock LS1 can pull 2.0X-2.1 60 fts. If it's a manual the driver has to be pretty good to get the 2.0X, if it's an auto having the 3.23 gear option (lots have 2.73s) helps. Mine makes 325+rwtq from 3500 to 5k. However, with my nittos I have to really punch it from a dead stop to get going quick (G-tech sub 5 secs to 60) and even then I have too much traction for my torque. The 3500 stall, 2.5 STR converter going in tomorrow will help that a TON, though :D

To really try and answer your specific question about off the line, the stock autos stall way too low (~1800 rpm) and the manuals are tough to launch well. If you want to do it right, off the line, you get an A4, with at least 3.23's, drag radials, and a new converter :nice:
 
Put simply, a stock GT has a chance with a stock LS1 in 1st/2nd, but once you go into third, they will pass the GT.

I raced a black camaro SS with exhaust on the onramp a while back, first was even, my shifting gave me a 1/2 car jump into 2nd, 2nd I had 1/2 a car, shifted to third and the lanes were merging so I shut it, but I would expect it to pass. The GT's torque gives it a chance in 1st/2nd, but it's over 3rd+.
 
40th_GT said:
Went to the track last night and went up against newer ss 6spd marrow and to my suprise he only beat me by 1 tenth in the 1/4 I ran 14.4 @ 97mph with a horrible reaction .799 and mind u this is at 6000ft above water and my stang is all stock except for the super 40 flowmasters which by the way sound sweeter than any of the flows. :shrug: LS1 can be taken down by the mach 1 if I came that close. The only thing i give to the ls1 is it top end power they can catch up pretty quick.


Dude, that's impressive. At 6K feet, a 14.4 run is VERY good for a stock GT. If I remember right, by the NHRA sea level conversion chart that would be ezulivalent to a mid-13 second run.
I live in Colorado Springs, which is 6012 FT ASL. I'm heading out to the track next month, and I am HOPING to run low-14's my 1st time out. My car is capable if high 12's as she sits, but I've never been to the track and realisticly don't expect to hit them before it closes for the winter.

Peace.
Greg