It took me awhile, but I finally got through this WHOLE thread. My advice (take it or leave it). . . agree to disagree. IMO, there are two kinds of car people. Where one type of car lacks, it picks up in other areas. Civics are (or can be) fast. Sure, they weigh a fraction of our cars made of real metal, but they get the job done. They handle better and can be cheaper to build. Power to ya!! On the other hand, muscle cars are hard to beat. With the right mods/rebuilds, they can easily run with the new cars, despite the weight. And whenever I hear a Honda 2 blocks away with the bass blasting, I step into the garage, tinker on the exhaust a bit, and drive by his house (with open headers) and light 'em up. Mature, no. Satisfying? YES. In conclusion, no one is argueing that modern cars (ricers) can occasionally outrun a Stang at the strip. But there's a lot more to cars than drag times.