HAHA....some of you are fools. Lets see anyone has a "I gotta friend that did this" STFU. For one, buying American cars is totally different than buying Imports. Imports rarely have rebates, discounts, sales, and other cost lowering deals. Especially a limited run car or a car like sports cars that target a specific market. The mustang is s different story because they sell (i can't remember) 100K-200K a year. Now ofcourse I've heard stories of people gettin some rare car for Invoice, and I'm sure it happens, it just doesn't happen often. If the MSRP is 2000 over, I'm ok with taking a 1000 off of that. I guess that means I got had. Oh and btw when i bought my GTI I had 1 week to buy a car, my daily driver died and I took a week off to buy a car. So I didn't have the luxury of time to sit and battle with car salesman. What's funny is one of you talk about "educate yourself"......there are so many variables in a car purchase that you can't even begin to imagine my circumstances for buying a car. Just a couple: Area, time of year, dealer, salesman, weather, what day of the month, model, how the model is selling, how long it's been on the lot, how much I'm not putting down because I'd rather invest that lump sum, if they practice hold-back, how many cars they've sold that month, if its a high volume dealer, how many dealers are near by, i could go on for days.......Sorry bud, but that measly 500 you might have save over me for waiting 2 months is about 10 bucks a month when all is said and done. I've never paid MSRP but they dealers have to make money too. It's one of the few things we buy that we are allowed to negotiate a price for and if they don't make money they won't be there. In fact, price isn't the only thing that matters to me. The deciding factor on my purchase was the professionalism of the dealership. Some people don't care about the hassle you need to go thru to get another 500 dollars off of a 25K car. "Educate Yourself", you're a sucker for any car that you pay MSRP......I want you go get a Ford GT for under MSRP.