2007, the Mustang will have Competition, Camaro is Alive AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gloveperson said:
I have also heard those rumors, but the reason I don't think the new Cobra will have more than 400 is because of the GT40. As a Camaro owner, the Corvette rule always means that the Camaro will always have less horsepower than the Vette because Horsepower is what sells to middle-aged men having midlife crisis. GT40 owners simply have more money :D We can debate all day about the reasons why the GT40 is still a better car than any Cobra ever could be, but don't expect the numbers to be the same as the GT40, let alone above it (if it is still around).

Oh course I could be wrong, as I hope I am, since I plan on buying a Cobra as my next car instead of the Chevelle (since my loyalty is to Camaro, not chevy..and with the Camaro aspect gone, I simply buy the best car..and GM will NEVER make a 500 horsepower car that is cheaper than the C6).

-Todd

Well, the GT(40) is "officially" rated at 550HP. There's plenty of room between 400 and 550 for the Cobra to slot in. This past Sunday on Horsepower TV, they dynoed a stock '03 Cobra and got 365RWHP. Accounting for drivetrain loss, that puts the stock HP well above the official rating of 390. IMO, the '07 Cobra will be rated somewhere around 400-405 but will be actually putting out more like 420-440.
 
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Gloveperson said:
I have also heard those rumors, but the reason I don't think the new Cobra will have more than 400 is because of the GT40. As a Camaro owner, the Corvette rule always means that the Camaro will always have less horsepower than the Vette because Horsepower is what sells to middle-aged men having midlife crisis. GT40 owners simply have more money :D We can debate all day about the reasons why the GT40 is still a better car than any Cobra ever could be, but don't expect the numbers to be the same as the GT40, let alone above it (if it is still around).

Oh course I could be wrong, as I hope I am, since I plan on buying a Cobra as my next car instead of the Chevelle (since my loyalty is to Camaro, not chevy..and with the Camaro aspect gone, I simply buy the best car..and GM will NEVER make a 500 horsepower car that is cheaper than the C6).

-Todd


Yea, you're wrong alright, the 07 Cobra will have right around 500 horsepower, you can take that to the bank, probably underrated like the current car. The GT has put down 565 to the wheels, a 500 horse Cobra will not step on the GT's toes..


And I really don't give a **** if a pos Neon can beat a current Mustang in a straight line, it's still a pos Neon, I'd rather have a Mustang, something that has far more room for improvement than a strung out 4 pot Neon.
 
Yea, you're wrong alright, the 07 Cobra will have right around 500 horsepower, you can take that to the bank, probably underrated like the current car. The GT has put down 565 to the wheels, a 500 horse Cobra will not step on the GT's toes..

couldentve said it better myself stangbang :nice:

the current mach one is as fast or faster than the 2001 cobra it doesnt matter about horsepower touching the next base up i mean look at the new c6 its got as much hrsp as the old z06 the new z06 is suppose to be rated at 500 horses but then again its in a different ballpark than a vette,the vette a 2 seater vrs hauling 4 (cobra) with close to 500 horses haha, and more people in the car the more witnesses you have and the more fun raping the car next too you is :D
 
I love it, we're definitly in a Muscle Car era renaissance right now and at least another couple of years from all the new models that are rumored or already on the way. With all this talk about big horsepower though, I remember reading a little blurb from Coletti saying that the Factory will only realistically be able to go so far. Like they have 400 in current Cobra, then predicted 500 in next, people will bitch and moan it should have 550 and so on but it'll begin to be too much before the big brother (Gov't) steps in so I believe he mentioned SVT will start to concentrate more on areas like weight reduction, handling and other trick racing stuff.
 
TomServo92 said:
As for the Mustang/Charger comparo, why are you comparing the as yet mythical Charger to the very real Mustang GT? Since we're talking future cars, why not compare the '07 Cobra to the Charger? I'd bet the outcome would be different than you predicted above.

So since the Charger comes out 6 months after the mustang that makes it mythical? I don't know if you know this, but the very real 2005 Mustang GT isn't out yet either. The engine line up is already known for the Charger because it will be the same as its platform mate the 300C. By the April 2005 issue of MotorTrend you will see a Charger R/T, LS2 GTO, Mustang GT shootout.

Gloveperson said:
I have also heard those rumors, but the reason I don't think the new Cobra will have more than 400 is because of the GT40. As a Camaro owner, the Corvette rule always means that the Camaro will always have less horsepower than the Vette because Horsepower is what sells to middle-aged men having midlife crisis. GT40 owners simply have more money :D We can debate all day about the reasons why the GT40 is still a better car than any Cobra ever could be, but don't expect the numbers to be the same as the GT40, let alone above it (if it is still around).

Oh course I could be wrong, as I hope I am, since I plan on buying a Cobra as my next car instead of the Chevelle (since my loyalty is to Camaro, not chevy..and with the Camaro aspect gone, I simply buy the best car..and GM will NEVER make a 500 horsepower car that is cheaper than the C6).

The Camaro will be back in 2007 and have a 400HP LS2. Notice the $33K '05 GTO has the same 400HP engine as the $45K C6. You probably won't see a 500HP Camaro unless it is some limited production car (think Cobra R).

As far as the next Cobra goes, the engine could be anything from a 400HP+ 5.0L to a 500HP S/C 5.4L or twin screw S/C 3v 4.6L. I have heard the rumors of all 3, I don't think SVT has decided on an engine yet. It will be interesting to see what engine the SVT Lightning gets because that my give us some clues as to the engine of the next Cobra.
 
Z28x said:
So since the Charger comes out 6 months after the mustang that makes it mythical? I don't know if you know this, but the very real 2005 Mustang GT isn't out yet either. The engine line up is already known for the Charger because it will be the same as its platform mate the 300C. By the April 2005 issue of MotorTrend you will see a Charger R/T, LS2 GTO, Mustang GT shootout.

I've already stated that "mythical" was the wrong word, so what exactly is your point? As for the Mustang, the definition of "real" according to Websters is "Existing objectively in the world regardless of subjectivity or conventions of thought or language". Seeing that there are plenty of people who post on Brad's site that have actually spent time behind the wheel of Mustangs not to mention the numerous pics of the '05 out on the web, I'd say the '05 Mustang is very real. If you can conjure up some folks who've driven the Charger or perhaps some pics or video, I'd be happy to take a look.
 
The Camaro will be back in 2007 and have a 400HP LS2. Notice the $33K '05 GTO has the same 400HP engine as the $45K C6. You probably won't see a 500HP Camaro unless it is some limited production car (think Cobra R).

Z28x i thought that canada had the right to it till 2017 because of the debt that chevy owed to them due to poor sales of camaro/firebird and other models ,and that that article was just some dude sayin it was coming out but not official thats what was talked about earlier on this forum

and also on the ford's svt page the new lightning had a twin screw 5.4 liter DOHC intercooled and all almuminum engine conservately rated at 500 hrps and 500 foot pounds of torq this could very well be the next cobra engine aslo seems only so because of what chevy does with all their bigger engines stuff em in smaller cars slap a cheaper sticker makes sense because its cheaper so ford might do that also with the new lightning engine maybe just a tuned down version or something
 
Stangman_X said:
Z28x i thought that canada had the right to it till 2017 because of the debt that chevy owed to them due to poor sales of camaro/firebird and other models

The CAW had/has the exclusive rights to build the Camaro/Firebird thru 2005...at least that's what I've been reading for the past 2 or so years.

The debt was a government loan and it has nothing to do with when/where the Camaro will return.
 
Im gonna get bloodied here but I've always loved the 1st and 2nd generation camaro and firbird. IMHO the sweep of the rear and front fenders have always been some of the most beautiful automotive body elements ever created. I know it's a bold statement but that's just how I feel. Personally, the rendering while being the best looking camaro in about 25 years doesn't totally do it for me. The roof lines and front end seem too disjointed to me. I do like the sweeping lines of the aformentioned fenders and the 69 " metal stripes" on the side of the body. If they made a new retro camaro I would have a heart attack, lol.
 
FlashGordon said:
Im gonna get bloodied here but I've always loved the 1st and 2nd generation camaro and firbird. IMHO the sweep of the rear and front fenders have always been some of the most beautiful automotive body elements ever created. I know it's a bold statement but that's just how I feel. Personally, the rendering while being the best looking camaro in about 25 years doesn't totally do it for me. The roof lines and front end seem too disjointed to me. I do like the sweeping lines of the aformentioned fenders and the 69 " metal stripes" on the side of the body. If they made a new retro camaro I would have a heart attack, lol.

You won't get bloodied from me. I love the first gen Firebirds (but not quite as much as I love the early Mustangs :D ). A friends brother had a beautiful blue '69 'bird that I lusted after for years.
 
FlashGordon said:
Im gonna get bloodied here but I've always loved the 1st and 2nd generation camaro and firbird. IMHO the sweep of the rear and front fenders have always been some of the most beautiful automotive body elements ever created. I know it's a bold statement but that's just how I feel. Personally, the rendering while being the best looking camaro in about 25 years doesn't totally do it for me. The roof lines and front end seem too disjointed to me. I do like the sweeping lines of the aformentioned fenders and the 69 " metal stripes" on the side of the body. If they made a new retro camaro I would have a heart attack, lol.

I like about the first 3 years of the camaro. Then I grow not so fond of it.
 
I just love threads like this (complete sarcasm).

There are going to be alot of dissapointed fanboys in the next few years from what im reading now. The dodge charger has no support and dodge is moving in an entirely different direction. Chevy is doing the same as well...they have no interest in bringing back a car that was plagued with poor sales due to poor build quality and lack of unique styling and remodelling.

So many dissapointments coming :rolleyes:

kirkyg
 
As for the dodge vs ford convo I have a couple of remarks:

First of all dodge makes some of the lowest quality vehicles on the market. I know because i've owned two of them and never plan on owning one again.

The focus was never marketted as a high performance car. Have you ever sat in one? Drove one? They are a fun comfortable very nicely done interior vehicle. They are not all out speed + low quality interior and exterior. The SRT-4 is rice. It has respectible speed (NOT blowing away any mustang with a v8). They run low 14's proven at the track without a boost controller and pushing more pounds. Furthermore, real market value for a GT is lower than a srt-4 which sells at msrp and no lower vs a GT which is a 25k car that can be purchased between 19-20k fully loaded. You cannot make blanket statements without real world application and expect people to respect your point of views.

Oh yea thats not even considering an 05 srt-4 to an 05 stang...that would be a joke ;)

kirkyg
 
Gloveperson said:
The charger is not mythical, and the SRT-8 one will have 425 horesepower. The information that is known so far about the Cobra is 400 right? (the 425 number is using the 6.1 litre V8 Chrysler has..it does make 425 horses. It is of course not quite as real as the 05 GT, but don't expect to it to disapear. The Charger in its 35,000 dollar form is aiming at the future Cobra, not below it.

The SRT-4 :owned: by autoweek LOL.
maybe it is stupid of me to mention this seeing as how I cannot divulge any information right yetbecause I work for ford and this information is classified...but let me just tell you that ford has in mind an engine that may just find itself a home under the hood of a cobra that will murder any such hemi or otherwise to which you would be referring...ford for life!! :flag:
 
WHAT???

Oh yea thats not even considering an 05 srt-4 to an 05 stang...that would be a joke ;)

kirkyg[/QUOTE]


You really have your info all mixed up. The only Gt you can compare to a 04 srt-4 is the 05 GT. As a matter a fact the srt- has better times then the 05 gt mustangs. Anything before the 05 isnt even worth talking about. 05 gt runs a 0-6- 5.8 1/4 14.1 srt 0-60 5.3 1/4 13.9 the comment about getting a mustang for under 20k is hard to believe.
 
srt4life said:
You really have your info all mixed up. The only Gt you can compare to a 04 srt-4 is the 05 GT. As a matter a fact the srt- has better times then the 05 gt mustangs. Anything before the 05 isnt even worth talking about. 05 gt runs a 0-6- 5.8 1/4 14.1 srt 0-60 5.3 1/4 13.9 the comment about getting a mustang for under 20k is hard to believe.


You're a complete idiot. They just started production on the 05', there is NO NUMBERS anywhere. Maybe you have your info mixed up, or better yet, you dont have ANY info, so stfu troll.

And as matter of fact, the 04 GT runs similar times, which is funny, one is N/A one is FI, if you wanna look at similar cars, you might want to look into the Cobra. The new GT will have 40more hp, a better suspension, its going to run better times than the SRT-4, end of story.
 
Price: $26,900
Performance
0-60 5.3 seconds
0-1/4 mile: 13.9 seconds @ 104 MPH
Engine
V8
Horsepower: 300
Torque: 409.5 nm / 315.0 ft lbs @ 4500 rpm
Dimensions
Length: 187.6 in.
Width: 72.1 in.
Height: 54.5 in.
Weight: 3425 lbs. First off relax with the name calling. 2nd i made a mistake those numbers are for the 04 gt. 3rd how stupid do you feel now. Dont be hating because a 4 banger can keep up with ford gt. :owned:
 
It's an estimated time, there has been NO testing of the car yet, sorry.

How stupid do I feel? How stupid do you feel? you're the one trolling with misguided information, you just bring up random **** that has no factual base to it, why? because you have no sources, why do you have no sources? because there hasnt been any CREATED YET.

You cant report a time on a car if it hasnt even been released yet.