Sullivan Gauging Interest in 5.4L DOHC Eaton/Kenne Bell/Whipple Blower Intakes!

[DOHC330Mustang]

Just what the title reads folks. If you seriously plan to build a 5.4L DOHC and want a Blower intake that will accept an Eaton, Kenne Bell, or Whipple blower, then reply in the thread linked below.

Please, only reply in this thread if you are serious about building a 5.4L DOHC with an Eaton, Kenne Bell, or Whipple blower.

Linky to Scott Sullivans post

Post here

Here is some of his more recent work. This is the Sullivan Performance 5.4L DOHC EFI Spyder intake for use the Navi 5.4L DOHC heads (larger intake ports). The elbow you see is a CHP with an Accufab 80mm race TB (my intake). He is coming out with a better/shorter elbow that will clear a 2-1/2 Cobra R hood.

Regards,
John

 

[stang976]

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[DOHC330Mustang]

If you want to see the above intake in action, look for Modular Performance new 358 cid DOHC bigbore in action. They used an aluminum 5.4L DOHC Ford GT block, 3.70 sleeve, Navi 5.4L DOHC heads, Sullivan racing intake in carb (non-EFI) flavor, all motor and is in the 9's untuned so far. Come to NMRA Finals in BG KY as I believe it will be there for your viewing pleasure.

The above intake comes in 4 configs. EFI, Carb, with and without the coolant crossover tube.

 

[WOT]

Too bad they aren't making a nice intake foe the 4.6.

 

[DOHC330Mustang]

Too bad they aren't making a nice intake foe the 4.6.

Sullivan Performance and others probably haven't considered a 4.6L GT intake because there is already five available (SVO/FRPP 4.6L roots blower with intake, SVO/Bullit intake, Reichard Racing intake, Kenne Bell blower w/intake, and that P51 intake is it?). The Cobra already has the FR500, and Ford Eaton intake which can accept KB and Whipple blowers as well. That's not even Considering the Hogans 4.6L intakes in the Hogans catalog.

I think those intakes cover n/a, and blower applications for the 4.6L pretty well. I know there is always room for improvement, but much better can they get for the money?

 

[DBMSTNG]

Sullivan Performance and others probably haven't considered a 4.6L GT intake because there is already five available (SVO/FRPP 4.6L roots blower with intake, SVO/Bullit intake, Reichard Racing intake, Kenne Bell blower w/intake, and that P51 intake is it?). The Cobra already has the FR500, and Ford Eaton intake which can accept KB and Whipple blowers as well. That's not even Considering the Hogans 4.6L intakes in the Hogans catalog.

I think those intakes cover n/a, and blower applications for the 4.6L pretty well. I know there is always room for improvement, but much better can they get for the money?

the SVO and FRPP blower only work on NON-PI heads. the Bullit is waaaay to expensive, the Reichard is for track cars only, and the P51 is pricey as well. not to mention that the market for the 2V 4.6L greatly outnumbers the 5.4L.

 

[DOHC330Mustang]

the SVO and FRPP blower only work on NON-PI heads.

Exactly, and the Kenne Bell SOHC GT kit is for PI heads.

the Bullit is waaaay to expensive

The Bullit intake is a good n/a intake and even does well for mild blower/turbo apps. It's also not just a casting, it comes as a very complete kit. Even if you bought a Sullivan intake for $599, there are still other parts left to buy that will increase it's cost, so it all will come out close to the same price.

the Reichard is for track cars only

I haven't seen the flow/velocity numbers on the RR intake, but as I see it the 4.6L SOHC needs all the help it can get. Stick a blower on, or high comp n/a setup with the RR intake and have fun. Anyway, this intake and Hogans would cover the High performance street, and race applications.

the P51 is pricey as well.

The P51 is another I haven't looked in to, but as the other intakes, it fills the needs of a particular application. Cost is always a complaint, but if one is cheaper than another, you can bet it lacks quality, or being a complete package (no TB, gaskets, blahh blahh, just a casting, etc etc).

The point is, those intakes fill all the 4.6L SOHC applications. No one else is going to step up and make another 4.6L SOHC intake until there is a large need/demand. That said, exactly what intake design (street, n/a. blower, turbo, race, flow/velocity/hp/tq numbers) is needed so badly by 4.6L SOHC people that will take all the sales away from the other slew of 4.6L SOHC intakes? What performance/power level is still left open that a new 4.6L SOHC intake could sale truck loads to?

As I see it, you can make any power level up to race with the current 4.6L intakes

 

[DBMSTNG]

Exactly, and the Kenne Bell SOHC GT kit is for PI heads.

$4k without intercooler

The Bullit intake is a good n/a intake and even does well for mild blower/turbo apps. It's also not just a casting, it comes as a very complete kit. Even if you bought a Sullivan intake for $599, there are still other parts left to buy that will increase it's cost, so it all will come out close to the same price.

costs aroun $1300 for all the parts. not worth the gains N/A for the average joe.

I haven't seen the flow/velocity numbers on the RR intake, but as I see it the 4.6L SOHC needs all the help it can get. Stick a blower on, or high comp n/a setup with the RR intake and have fun. Anyway, this intake and Hogans would cover the High performance street, and race applications.

the Reichard loses alot of torque down low. it's not realistic for n/a or street applications. i haven't heard about the Hogans, but i assume they are in the same boat.[/QUOTE]

The P51 is another I haven't looked in to, but as the other intakes, it fills the needs of a particular application. Cost is always a complaint, but if one is cheaper than another, you can bet it lacks quality, or being a complete package (no TB, gaskets, blahh blahh, just a casting, etc etc).

the only thing you need with the P51 is new fuel rails. but it only costs about $100 less than the Bullit kit.

The point is, those intakes fill all the 4.6L SOHC applications. No one else is going to step up and make another 4.6L SOHC intake until there is a large need/demand. That said, exactly what intake design (street, n/a. blower, turbo, race, flow/velocity/hp/tq numbers) is needed so badly by 4.6L SOHC people that will take all the sales away from the other slew of 4.6L SOHC intakes? What performance/power level is still left open that a new 4.6L SOHC intake could sale truck loads to?

there are about 250,000 1999+ GT's out there. there are what, maybe 2,000 5.4L DOHC swaped Mustangs out there? the intake that is missing is the sub $1,000 intake attainable to the average joe. even if someone just made a metal replacement for the lower intake, it would sell. all the other intakes mentioned are not selling well with the exception of the Bullit. but alot of the Bullit intakes were sold before Ford jacked up the prices. since then, Bullit intake sales have droped.

 

[DOHC330Mustang]

It has taken us (people who wanted to do 5.4L DOHC swaps) about two years of begging, gauging interest, and waiting for the final production 5.4L DOHC Intakes to be ready for sale. Scott Sullivan works on a need/demand basis. If you want to be heard, start one thread on a large forum, gauge interest, Email Scott the link (his site has an Email www.sullivanperformance.com) to the thread, and if there are enough people with money in hand, he will cast an intake. I guarantee the wait will be over a full year though as earlier promised parts come first (first come first serve basis).

That is all I can offer for getting you guys on the road to 4.6L SOHC intakes.

Now, back to the original thread. For the rest, lets stay on topic as I'm helping gauge interest in this 5.4L DOHC blower intake that I, and other want for out 5.4L swaps.

Regards,
John

 

[DOHC330Mustang]

AOL hosed my 5.4L DOHC EFI Spyder intake pictures, so if you want to see them PM me and I'll Email them to you.

 

[Redfire03GT]

Not to steer away from the masses of people who have 5.4L DOHC swaps who are looking for alternative intakes but...

It's unfortunate but, the point of view you have is exactly what is holding us back from *ever* getting a decent after market intake that doesn't cost 1000+. An intake that can cater to the everyday SOHC owner, while sacrificing no more than 1k and doesn't suck complete ass for N/A street driving is exactly what we're after. The bullitt intake is simply not reasonable for most people unless you're trying to scrape out every last bit of N/A power possible. The Riechard, same as the bullit, too costly and say bye-bye to your low end torque. P-51, too expensive for the minimal gains. Hogans well, sheet metal intakes aren't exactly screaming - hey, I make great low end torque for you N/A guys!

As mentioned above, I bet even a cast replica of our current plastic intakes would sell.

Once again, sorry to deter from the eager 5.4L DOHC swap crowd but, I had to rant about that.

 

[Mossberg]

I agree. The 4.6 needs more options. Look at the 5.0 and how the aftermarket developed for that.

 

[DOHC330Mustang]

Not to steer away from the masses of people who have 5.4L DOHC swaps who are looking for alternative intakes but...

It's unfortunate but, the point of view you have is exactly what is holding us back from *ever* getting a decent after market intake that doesn't cost 1000+. An intake that can cater to the everyday SOHC owner, while sacrificing no more than 1k and doesn't suck complete ass for N/A street driving is exactly what we're after. The bullitt intake is simply not reasonable for most people unless you're trying to scrape out every last bit of N/A power possible. The Riechard, same as the bullit, too costly and say bye-bye to your low end torque. P-51, too expensive for the minimal gains. Hogans well, sheet metal intakes aren't exactly screaming - hey, I make great low end torque for you N/A guys!

As mentioned above, I bet even a cast replica of our current plastic intakes would sell.

Once again, sorry to deter from the eager 5.4L DOHC swap crowd but, I had to rant about that.

I'm not holding you back from getting a 4.6L intake, it's the 4.6L crowd holding you back. How do you all think these 5.4L DOHC intakes came along? Years of posting and gauging interest, and patiently waiting for it to be R&D'd, then finally shipping out to be sold to us.

Above, I told you how to contact Scott Sullivan at www.sullivanperformance.com so take the same steps as us 5.4L DOHC swappers took, and start a thread, gauge interest, and send the link to Scott. That is the first step in the long long process. I did it, and you can do it as well. If there is a need/demand for it, he will cast it.

 

[DOHC330Mustang]

Breaking news, I didn't know Scott has already been working on a 4.6L intake. I don't know if it's DOHC or SOHC, so Email him to find out. Will be ready sometime around or after Christmas.

OK, now you guys have nothing to complain about, so stop ya crying and jacking up my thread!!!

:damnit: :OT:

 

[tarch at school]

haha what a nice turn of events

 

[Mossberg]

[/crying] off

 

[DOHC330Mustang]

Ahh, came across more info. There is a 4.6L version (I think it's just like the 5.4L DOHC EFI Spyder) intake that will be ready around Christmas. The elbow for the 5.4 and 4.6 intakes will be ready by this October.

What do you guys think of this?

 

[Gearbanger 101]

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[DOHC330Mustang]

The 4.6L intake by Sullivan is for DOHC. I heard there is another company working on a SOHC intake, but it's at least another year away.

 

[DOHC330Mustang]

Quoting what Scott said below on the 5.4L DOHC Blower intake. There is already a bunch of people in and a test vehicle has volunteered. Hurry and reply to the link I posted in my first post if you want one. If 30 people don't step up, this swap for the modular world may be lost for good.

Lightning's can swap up to DOHC 5.4 with their blowers
Cobra's can swap in 5.4L shortblocks with their DOHC heads and blowers
GT's could do a full 5.4L DOHC build with Eaton/Whipple/KB blower

The result = GT 40 power for all!

Hey guys,
There does seem to be some interest in this intake but it would require at least 30 orders to justify casting them and they would need to sell at 1000.00 a piece just to cover costs.

While this intake would be one of the coolest items to come along for the DOHC engines, from a business standpoint it is really tough to justify.There is a lot more money to be made manufacturing a 4.6L SOHC intake and selling it at a reasonable price. The only way I could do it is by getting 500.00 deposits up front.

It would also require one of the board members to be the guinea pig and do an install to test before doing a production run.
Time to market would be 4-5 months.

Probably not what everybody wants to hear but this intake would only be for the hardcore enthusiasts, the market just isn't that big.

So, how bad does everybody want this intake?