05 dynoes at 275rwhp and 292rwtq stock
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Roger Ramjet
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SVTdriver
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mustangman2000 said:
So are cars better due to "per inch power" or "overall power"?
Because I betcha there's a bunch of 4-cyl that put down more
"per inch power" than a new Mustang GT. Are they "better"?
My point is that this is a lame argument from either side...
thehemi said:So are cars better due to "per inch power" or "overall power"?
Because I betcha there's a bunch of 4-cyl that put down more
"per inch power" than a new Mustang GT. Are they "better"?
My point is that this is a lame argument from either side...
Actually neither is important. The only stat that matters is how fast does the car get from Point A to Point B. How it's done is irrelevant. If a Mustang making an "unimpressive" 275rwhp gets down the track just as fast as a Camaro making an "impressive" 285rwhp, who cares that the Mustang has less. It's the end result that matters.
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SVTdriver said:
LOL. Instant Classic. Dynos are important yes, but so are power to weight ratios.
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Rocket Sauce said:I didn't know that they shipped Camaros in boxes.
You had to keep the box for when they rusted.
"This is 2004 and Ford still can't beat it"
Last I checked the F-Bodies were taking a nap while the mustang continues to improve. Ford matched the F-Bodies already with the Mach I, and surpassed them with the Cobra, so I'm not quite following. If you're saying that an 05 GT can't match a Camaro, it was never designed to. The 05 Mustang is much more refined. Take a look at the interior on these two cars, and you'll notice the difference. Not to mention the road course #'s for the 05's are light years better then the old F-Bodies. Yet, it still has "300 hp", and it will likely run within .2 seconds in the 1320' if not the same as an old F-Body. Let's not even get into the price difference either...
Nothing against F-Bodies, I love Camaro's and Firebirds, hell, I almost bought a WS6, but your statement towards Ford is false.
Last I checked the F-Bodies were taking a nap while the mustang continues to improve. Ford matched the F-Bodies already with the Mach I, and surpassed them with the Cobra, so I'm not quite following. If you're saying that an 05 GT can't match a Camaro, it was never designed to. The 05 Mustang is much more refined. Take a look at the interior on these two cars, and you'll notice the difference. Not to mention the road course #'s for the 05's are light years better then the old F-Bodies. Yet, it still has "300 hp", and it will likely run within .2 seconds in the 1320' if not the same as an old F-Body. Let's not even get into the price difference either...
Nothing against F-Bodies, I love Camaro's and Firebirds, hell, I almost bought a WS6, but your statement towards Ford is false.
"But the part of them equaling of beating an LS1 is sort of false. Unless the new GT can run high 12's with the best driver, and consistent low 13's with 106-109 mph trap speeds, it is not as fast in the 1/4"
I said within 2/10ths or just as fast. I'll wait untill Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford gets ahold of a 5-speed manual before I make my conclusion on their real power, however it should be extremely close.
"The Mach does not equal an LS1. It will take an LS1 out of the whole, but responds to mods worse and does not trap as high as one and has much less top end"
Mach 1 consistantly run the same times as LS1's, it's a driver race until ~105mph. From a 100mph roll, a LS1 will win, but most people don't buy their cars for high speed racing. Last I checked a 13.1@105 and a 13.1@108 are the same times.
"But you still have to see my point. The mustang is supposed to be a muscle car from what I though (unless we are going back to mustang II, which I hope we haven't), they are supposed to be good in the 1/4. I expect my LS1 (a 98) to be faster than the seven year old 91 5.0. So I sort of expect my seven year old LS1 to perform less than 05 tecnology. It still bugs me that the trap speed though, my LT1 trapped about the same "
Mustangs are muscle cars, there's a wide variety in order to appeal to the masses. You're telling me a GT isn't a muscle car because F-Bodies are faster? That's idiotic. It's like saying your camaro wasn't a real muscle car because a '03 cobra is faster.
You have a point about the trap speed, and I like I said above, we need to wait until there's more track tests on the 5-speed manuals. Although what's the point of trapping 110 if you run 14's?
Point is, Ford has beat it, and will continue to. On all models? No.
..And wait to drive a 05 before you judge it
I said within 2/10ths or just as fast. I'll wait untill Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford gets ahold of a 5-speed manual before I make my conclusion on their real power, however it should be extremely close.
"The Mach does not equal an LS1. It will take an LS1 out of the whole, but responds to mods worse and does not trap as high as one and has much less top end"
Mach 1 consistantly run the same times as LS1's, it's a driver race until ~105mph. From a 100mph roll, a LS1 will win, but most people don't buy their cars for high speed racing. Last I checked a 13.1@105 and a 13.1@108 are the same times.
"But you still have to see my point. The mustang is supposed to be a muscle car from what I though (unless we are going back to mustang II, which I hope we haven't), they are supposed to be good in the 1/4. I expect my LS1 (a 98) to be faster than the seven year old 91 5.0. So I sort of expect my seven year old LS1 to perform less than 05 tecnology. It still bugs me that the trap speed though, my LT1 trapped about the same "
Mustangs are muscle cars, there's a wide variety in order to appeal to the masses. You're telling me a GT isn't a muscle car because F-Bodies are faster? That's idiotic. It's like saying your camaro wasn't a real muscle car because a '03 cobra is faster.
You have a point about the trap speed, and I like I said above, we need to wait until there's more track tests on the 5-speed manuals. Although what's the point of trapping 110 if you run 14's?
Point is, Ford has beat it, and will continue to. On all models? No.
..And wait to drive a 05 before you judge it
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Very good points for both sides. I HATE the LS1's; A lid and exhaust an they put down like eleventy-jillion hp at the wheels! 
But they have the already mentioned problem of applying themselves. They also have been perennially a very poorly built car. 
PLEASE do yourself a favor and drive a new GT. Don't expect the same explosion you feel from your modded LS1, although the power band in the new Stang is sick. The chassis is outstanding from a pony car and the build quality/fit & finish are a huge leap forward.
But they have the already mentioned problem of applying themselves. They also have been perennially a very poorly built car. PLEASE do yourself a favor and drive a new GT. Don't expect the same explosion you feel from your modded LS1, although the power band in the new Stang is sick. The chassis is outstanding from a pony car and the build quality/fit & finish are a huge leap forward.
What's the point? The LS1 is now obsolete anyway. It was a badass motor in its day but now there's the LS2. That motor trounces the 3v 4.6 but you're not gonna find it in any Chevy for 25k I can tell you that much. The Mustang GT has respectable numbers stock and looks like there will be more room to work with bolt-ons and tuning compared to previous years. Also lets wait til these things hit the streets before we start bashing them. Bone stock tires, filter and all, 13.6 @99 for a 3500 lb car with an auto is downright respectable I think. I'm sure with soem meatier tires, exhaust and filter, we'll be seeing low 13's easy. Not to meantion we haven't even seen any 5 spd manual tests yet .
. The Camaro HP has greatly outperformed the Mustang since '93. But when a car like the underpowered Mustang outsell the Camaro by 3,4-1, Ford could give a rat's *** about performance. The '05 Mustang GT is a huge step up in every aspect compared to the previous model years. So what if it doesn't have the hp that the LS1 engine has. The Mach 1 is neck in neck with the '04 GTO. The Corvette Z06 is not that much more powerful than the '03-'04 Cobra. Look at the price differences between those models compared to performance. Ford wins hands down. Ford is definitely getting there, but volume speaks louder than performance in the eyes of the stockholders. As long as the Mustang is selling, they'll stick to their guns. That's why the Mustang is still being produced while the Camaro/TAs are not.
