Before you even wrote this you shouldve asked yourself "if the mustang is Just as fast as the gto and 8 grand cheaper how much faster than the gto can I make my mustang by throwing that extra 8 grand into it?"Fast GTO said:If he had the money for one of those to begin with he should have never made the purchase of the GTO anyway.
And my ultimate point is that we have yet to have another documented GTO v. GT race. And GTO's have plenty of proof/time slips of running 13.2-13.6. Now this is of course due to the car having been out for a while so the documentation of its performance is there.
Furthermore, although the GT and GTO are performance muscle cars they tend to be targeted at different demographics/styles.
The GT is more of a barebones, give me the power and traditional fast lookign car, while the GTO is a give me the power in a comfortable nondiscreet car.
Eitherway the proof that is out there is showing that a GTO will beat a GT by about .3 in the 1/4, maybe when the GT's get more miles on them they will be an even race.
But until then you all have to face the fact that the GT is not going to beat a GTO.
It's already been addressed, but still worth pointing out, the '05 GTO isn't available yet. I've heard and read it will be in January, but that's over 1 month away and personally, I don't expect to see it for months after that... Like May.thehemi said:2005 GT = 300-hp
2005 GTO = 400-hp
fivepointNO said:Not many people pre-order a V6 Mustang, and there's simply no question that not all were V6's. But no matter who buys them, nor the particular model, they're all Mustangs. It's a popular car today, as it has been since 1964.
I'm not trying to compare them and few here really are, as atested by the "apples to oranges" comments. Surely those ordered by Hertz, etc. are V6 models, but most "pre-orders" taken are likely V8's because the rental car companies run contract terms and get new cars each month, no matter the model, so those are existing orders being met as much as anything. Doesn't matter though, they're still selling like crazy. Probably quicker than any GM model, excluding pickups.GTP2GTO said:Thats true they werent all V6's. However there were large numbers ordered by rental companies. Guessing those were V6s. Also, for every V8 I see on the road, I have seen 10 V6s... I am a mustang owner, and I love the styling, but the performance just isnt there. The fact that these cars are running neck and neck with the old LT1 Fbodys isnt impressive. You really cant compare them to the LS1's or LS2's.
fivepointNO said:I'm not trying to compare them and few here really are, as atested by the "apples to oranges" comments. Surely those ordered by Hertz, etc. are V6 models, but most "pre-orders" taken are likely V8's because the rental car companies run contract terms and get new cars each month, no matter the model, so those are existing orders being met as much as anything. Doesn't matter though, they're still selling like crazy. Probably quicker than any GM model, excluding pickups.
We'll surely see more V6's because they're cheaper, and have adequate power for most people. Plus, the V6 model was available in mass numbers before the GT's.
As for the LT1 numbers, that's nonsense. On even a moderate pass, the new MustangGT will run 14.0 completely stock and the LT1 F-body wasn't likely to see that kind of time even with a pro at the wheel when stock, save perhaps the SS in the final 2yrs. We've also seen 13.6's with stock '05's and that absolutely never happened for the LT1 F-body, no matter who was driving, or who says otherwise.
Believe what you want. I raced during all of the years they were produced, against likely more than 1,000 of them. I never saw a single non SS type even think about a 14.0, let alone a 13 anything.GTP2GTO said:LOL
LT1's have consistently ran high 13's stock. WS6 and SS LT1's have reached 13.6's several times. You have your facts seriously mixed up. LT1's put down 255whp and near 300wtq. I believe those numbers are equal to and greater than the new Mustang numbers...
Oh, and your 13.6 came from a magazine test. Not eligible to quote. The 05's I have seen have all ran 14's. Even in the video on this post 14's. So, show me a video proving otherwise. My cobra can run hi 13's and I constantly get beaten by LT1s.
GTP2GTO said:LOL
LT1's have consistently ran high 13's stock. WS6 and SS LT1's have reached 13.6's several times. You have your facts seriously mixed up. LT1's put down 255whp and near 300wtq. I believe those numbers are equal to and greater than the new Mustang numbers...
Oh, and your 13.6 came from a magazine test. Not eligible to quote. The 05's I have seen have all ran 14's. Even in the video on this post 14's. So, show me a video proving otherwise. My cobra can run hi 13's and I constantly get beaten by LT1s.
willy_sc5.0 said:The LT1's consistent ran low 14's and everybody knows that. The fastest SS lt1 that I found in the mainstream rags ran 13.7.
The Gt 05 usually dyno 265-275rwhp not 255.
There several members who has reported 13.4, 13.6 and 13.7 on their 05 GT's stock. The guy in the video ran 13.6 a few weeks later after some more practice.
If you got owned by lt1 in your cobra . . most likely those lt1s were nonstock or you should practice your street launches some more.
Ahhhhhh . . . before I forget. This is for the GTO lovers.
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=10632
400hp GTO not equal to 12's car. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Even with LS2/400hp, "nice interiors", and IRS lost to the cheaper and slower 05 mustang.
Yeah right. At least TRY to be rational, even if it's hard on your brain. Hollar loudly the FIRST time you see a stock LT1 Camaro run 13.7. I can't believe you'd even attempt such a stupid lie. Do you think you're dealing with yourself here?GTP2GTO said:So the fact that a magazine ran an SS at 13.7 means there are faster Formulas out there...
Exactly ONE(1) 2004 GTO ran 13.30 or better when stock. ONLY one has been openly claimed. That hardly speaks for the other 10,000 or so that never ran better than 13.58 all stock. Where are the others?Oh, and yes, the GTO 05 is a 12's car. Sorry to burst your bubble, but they are getting 13.3s out of the 04's. And your buddy that ran the supposed 13.6? I saw him at the silver dollar track and never once saw it happen. I go there frequently. I saw the vid of the 14's and until I see otherwise, or get video otherwise, the GTO walked the GT...plain and simple
True, but neither does your guess work. Here you are, not only arguing with the results, but telling everyone what it will REALLY run and you've never laid eyes on a 2005 GTO at a race track. We expect them to be quicker, but to claim it's 1/2 second quicker is ridiculous without having seen a single one race. It's much like your claim that LT1 F-bodies commonly ran 13's when stock. It simply IS a lie!Magazines dont mean crap.
Got it on video? I hope you see the point here.Fast GTO said:An 05 GTO ran a 12.9.