Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

[max2000jp]

"The E39 M5 is faster than the E46 M3 in terms of acceleration. Go sit in an E46 M3, it is quite luxurious. Bimmer guys would have a field day with you on that aspect."

Look man, do you have a little problem with something called relativity? I know that the M3 is luxurius. It is a BMW after all!! I am just saying that relative to most other BMWs, the M3 is less luxurius since it has a firmer ride and drive that is more geared towards performance than the average BMW...

The GTO also beats the Mustang in acceleration, so what?? The point is cars like the GTO and M5 are too big to be strictly performance cars... They have extra size so that they will be better able to carry a few people comfortably.. An M5 will not go around the track as fast as an M3 because it is simply too heavy...

"The new E65 M5(NEW) is faster than both cars by a large margin."

And the new M3 will be faster than the old M5.. it won't be as fast as the new M5 in a straight line, but it will handle better...


"The CTS-V is the same way. Both cars are for owners who want a sedan, but want sports car performance."

But CTS-V owners are willing to sacrifice some performance to have a large car than can accomodate four people comfortably like an M5 or GTO...

"As for the EVO and STi, those are bare bone's sports cars. Heck, the 04 STi didn't come standard with a stereo."

And yet they are sometimes compared to M3s... The Holden cars such as the GTO when compared to BMWs are compared to M5s. The CTS-V compared to BMWs is compared to M5s... That is because the latter cars are large cars with some of that size sacrificing some performance...

"Does the Mustang not hold 4 passengers?"

Could a Mustang hold 4 passengers comfortably on a road trip from NJ to Las Vegas?

Give it up man!! The GTO is the better grand touring performance coupe than the Mustang.. That is because the GTO actually IS a grand touring performance coupe whereas the Mustang GT is a Pony car.

You could say that either car is better than the other one depending on what criteria is most important to you. If you want a car that has the purpose of a pony car, you will like the Mustang; if you want a car that has the purpose of a grand tourer, you will want a GTO. It is that simple.

Your lack of basic automotive knowledge amazes me, but you keep going. The E46 M3 has the same basic architecture as a 330Ci interior wise. You get more feature in the M3 and available 2 tone leather, among other things. My 330i Sport rode fairly firm, almost as harsh as an M3. Again, any ///M product, albeit M3, M5, M6, etc. is GEARED towards performance. CTS-V owners do sacrifice performance, to cars like the C5/C6, but not the GTO. Check the stats on the CTS-V and it beats the holy 05 GTO in every measurable performance test. I am glad you indirectly imply that the GTO and other cars are compared against there pricier competitors more on performance, rather than content.

As for driving from NJ to Vegas, that wouldnt happen in either car. I am 6'2" and anyone sitting behind me would have no room in either car in the back. I would not sit in the back seat either, I simply wouldnt be comfortable. Your arguement is flawed. First the GTO was a near-luxury coupe, now its a "grand touring performance coupe". Is this Senator Kerry I am talking to?

 

[Jon Do]

Well, I think I've convinced anybody that can be convinced that the Mustang GT and the Pontiac GTO aren't designed for the exact same type of consumer so I will shut up now...

 

[TomServo92]

Well, I think I proved my point to everybody but you so I will shut up now...

Not really but go right ahead with the shutting up part.

 

[tylers65]

That's probably what a Ford-biased person would think. A non-biased person, if reading this thread, would see plenty of flames to go around, from both sides.

Actuall,

I am pretty sure a non-biased person woudl not think anything about any of the cars that have been mentioned.

I am pretty sure they would think that most stangnet members are a bunch of magazine racers who have nothing better to do with their time than beat each other up over a car that Ford does not even build (GTO).

I fail to see how this thread has been constructive in any way.

If it does not become constructive, It will become deleted.

 

[odingalt]

GTO is kind of pricy... the review is definitely biased, it's not even a direct post but this guy re-gurgitating what he said he read. Pick up the actual magazine yourself. Better yet, go down to the lots for a test drive.

For the .5 or less seconds it takes me to go from 0 to 60, but for the $10 cheaper I can do it in (and look better doing it), I'd go with the Mustang. That Woodward Dream Cruise GTO looked bad ass. The 05's are definitely an improvement of the '04's. If I were a serious GTO I might buy one. As is, I'm going to have to wait for 06, 07 or possibly the next generation of GTO. GTO looks too much like a family sedan gone ricer (although same for the new mustang lol! Retro gone ricer)

In my opinion Trans Am is the baddest Pontiac built the last 20 years. Remind me again why they retired it?

GTO definitely performance-wise beats Mustang. For those of us who don't know any better, Mustang will seem just as fast driving through my neighborhood. Plus I hate gangsta's and they are always driving GTO's.

 

[Doc GTO]

I am not saying all GTO owners are a-holes, (DocGTO seems like a nice guy), but they rest of you are making a bad name for GTO owners. Stoping being a-holes and take your opinions to your own damn forums! If we want to get overjoyed about Car and Driver giving the nod to the 05 mustang gt over the GTO, then we can and will, but in OUR OWN FORUMS, otherwise is F'N RUDE!

 

[GTS_300_Coupe]

Holden has been a GM company for a very long time.
Well over 50 years in fact.
They've made plenty of great muscle cars over that period.

I dont see why Ford and Pontiac owners always have to argue which is better. Both cars are fantastic!
While the Monaro might have not been the greatest car to use for the new GTO theres nothing bad about it.

We Aussies love the subtle look of the car. Infact Monaro's dont even have boot/trunk spoilers as standard.
Its just a clean and sexy cut without having the "hey look at me im an *******!" aggressiveness to it.
Personally I think the new Mustang look is a poor choice. Retro = out of ideas.
Bash the lack of style for the GTO all you want but its still looks more sophisticated and grown up.

The GTO is an all or nothing car. None of this V6 "me too" option.
Besides that, the GTO could've been a better luxuary car if Pontiac didnt delete alot of the options which come on a Monaro standard such as electric heated seats, climate control, sunroof, rear drink holders, etc.
Sure its not a traditional muscle car but I feel like I could pull up beside a BMW or Mercedes in my Monaro and not feel like a big dumb Aussie/American.

I cant see why people have to bitch and moan over another car being 0.2 seconds faster down the quarter mile.... who cares really??
I mean if you really wanted to see the real performer, I reckon you should take the GTO and GT and do a mountain race.
This is where the GTO would really shine and show the Mustang the way.
Monaro's have been proven circuit and mountain performance racers for years.

Dont you its about time cars of America started to advance forward? Interior quality is becoming better, fuel enomony is improving, handling is light years ahead of what it was back in the old days.

Anyway, as for the people a few pages back complaining of no topless goat.
Anything is possible! Holden have been discussing back and fourth of a monaro convertible for ages.
Production could be available in the near future.

 

[Fast GTO]

GM's luxury coupe for example was the Eldorado. Again, the GTO is no where near being classified as a luxury car, even John Do agrees with that. Using that logic, if I put an aftermarket Alpine GPS system in my 05 GT I guess I have a luxury coupe.

Arguing with GTO owners, is like winning the special olympics......

You have clearly never sat in a GTO nor have you been around lots of Bimmers and Mercs.


But hey, I feel sorry for those of you who sign up to a forum and never expect to debate a single thing or have your opinions challenged.

 

[one2gamble]

ive sat in a GTO and its got a nice interior. Its better than pretty much every other pontiac/gmc/chevy but I dont think its up to snuff with BMW, Benz, Audi or Jag (all of which I have spent a lot of seat time in). You could compare it to the new f-150 lariet or something if you would like but lets not get out of hand.

 

[drmustang]

monaro

How could a car manufacturer give a car a nameplate like "Monaro".
My god that sounds more like the name of some terminal disease.

 

[max2000jp]

You have clearly never sat in a GTO nor have you been around lots of Bimmers and Mercs.


But hey, I feel sorry for those of you who sign up to a forum and never expect to debate a single thing or have your opinions challenged.

Is that right? I used to own a 2001 330i. My brother has an M3. My mom had an E320 and my dad currently has a A8. You GTO guys are delusional to compare your car to any of the ones listed.

 

[iviustang50h]

That's probably what a Ford-biased person would think. A non-biased person, if reading this thread, would see plenty of flames to go around, from both sides.

This is true, but the mustang guys gotta stick up for themselves. After all, it's THEIR (our) forum

 

[Fast GTO]

Well this isn't a magazine but some of you might recognize it.


Stock 04 GTO:

 

[iviustang50h]

Uh oh, I think it's...yup here it comes...I can't hold it in...aaaaand

Prove it's stock, because I don't believe it is!

 

[Bob Cosby]

I believe it. I watched (and checked out) a bone stock 04 GTO run 13.25 at MIR a couple of weeks ago - same day I went 12.60 in my bone stock 04 Cobra.

That timeslip is legit.

 

[GTP2GTO]

I believe it. I watched (and checked out) a bone stock 04 GTO run 13.25 at MIR a couple of weeks ago - same day I went 12.60 in my bone stock 04 Cobra.

That timeslip is legit.

Well atleast the one voice of reason on this site was able to witness that.

 

[royb]

I drove BOTH and bought the 05 GT Mustang

I loved the power of the 05 GTO but don't like the exterior styling. the interior was nice with the red leather. It was squirly at will. I just love the 05 Stang so much more the interior is better with the red and iup the 1/4 window is a trowback to the fastback days. the power is only slightly off the gto in terms of seat of the pants feel.

 

[royb]

not bad for Gas Tires Oil

Well this isn't a magazine but some of you might recognize it.


Stock 04 GTO:

I've seen stock cars go faster than what the mags report. it's not like you ran 10's and claim it to be stock. its looks legit to me. and for the record gto are sports cars in every way for the members that don't believe it they need to go drive one. This is comming from a 05 Mustang GT owner and former owner of:

90LX 5.0 Sold
2001 Corvette Convertible Sold
1989 Corvette Convertible Sold
1971 Corvette Convertible Sold
1985 Pontiac TA Sold
1980 Pontiac TA Turbo Sold
1969 Dodge Charger Sold
and the list goes on.........

 

[Bob Cosby]

Well atleast the one voice of reason on this site was able to witness that.

Speaking of which, may I ask what other sites you post on and what screen name you use?

Thanks.

 

[fivepointNO]

I don't much care whether or not the slip came from a stock GTO. The only thing to keep in mind is that NO others(while 100% stock) have run that quick and the one that ran 13.25 at MIR may well be the very same car.

As for the GTO being a sports car in every way, that's a ridiculous statement on its face. It's simply not a sports car at all. It has two doors and handles fairly well... So what? It's not a 2 seater and all true sports cars are, by the standard definition of the term. That's like calling the Mustang a sports car... It's just not so. Sports cars are light and agile(for their era) and the GTO isn't light at all. Infact, it's one of the heaviest 2 doors made, including full size cars... Which it's not. GM called it a "compact," but I can't see why.

For those interested, Pontiac finally has the 2005 GTO listed on their website. You can't compare it to anything through the site, but you can get an idea of it's parts to other vehicles by reading the information.