Stangbang said:Well said, what's with all these trolls lately anyways?
Not enough GTO's were sold for them to talk to their own kind so they have to come here.
Stangbang said:Well said, what's with all these trolls lately anyways?
new22003 said:Not enough GTO's were sold for them to talk to their own kind so they have to come here.
Doc GTO said:Just because that particular dealership was a schmuck and ordered to many cars has nothing to do with the overall production for the entire year. Of course I didn't know any one dealer that could order that many at one time. I know my local dealer has one for test drives and orders as needed the exact car the buyer wants. I drove by my local Ford dealer today and saw 10 six cylinder 05 Stangs lined up by the street and a car carrier unloading more. I soon will be overrun by "all show-no go" stangs. I would rather see more GTs in my area. They are more fun to play with
Jon Do said:"Talk about putting a spin on things. So now we call lack of sales "exclusivity" and mundane styling "stealth"?"
Do you think everyone wants to drive a car that sells 150K a year? In 5 years, everyone on the block will have the new Mustang. Some people want to be seen as individuals and have cars that nobody else drives.
When I'm considering the RX-8, vs. Mustang, vs. GTO, I like the "niche" factor of the other two cars. The RX-8 has a rotary engine. The GTO is the only Australian-made car sold in this country. Both cars sell fairly low volume--the RX-8 has projected sales of 1/5th the Mustang's every year, and the GTO sells half that.
On the other hand, take the Mustang... In 5 years, the Mustang will be filling up high-school parking lots... That is what the cheap price, huge performance and flashy styling get you. The GTO on the other hand "blends in" on the outside, but impresses on the inside with its luxury. The RX-8 is just so unique it stands out too. The Mustang is the Mustang.. Everybody knows about it, everybody has one, and that is why you guys like it. I ain't trying to say that you guys are wrong, but not everybody wants that... That's what pisses me off about this place... It's like people can't understand why anybody would want anything other than a Mustang.... I know this is a Mustang enthusiast forum, but if you bring up the GTO or Subaru Legacy on the RX-8 forum, those cars will get props. People here on the other hand don't just bitch about other cars--they bitch about the superiority of different versions of the Mustang... You Mustang-lovers sure are war-like people.
And you guys gotta understand that not everyone wants to be seen in a sports car. Some people would rather "blend in".
Jon Do said:"What does that have to do lackluster sales of the GTO?"
Why would I, as a consumer, care about the lack-luster sales of the GTO? That means that it gets offered with discounts, so from my perspective it becomes a better value...
Now to be fair, the HUGE sales goal of the 2005 Mustang can be viewed as a good thing too... Because that means by the end of 2005, to sell 150K units, there will be fat rebates. Probably at least $1,500... (Even the RX-8 had a $1,500 rebate and it had sales projections of 1/5th the Mustang's.)
Whatever you guys say now, you are still in that phase where your car is new and unique, so you still get attention. When it is on every corner, it won't get that same attention. The guy in the RX-8 will have to wait five years to lose the exlusitivity that you guys will in one year.. The guy in the GTO will always have exlusivity, because the GTO is a limited production vehicle. You guys, on the other hand, obviously don't care about exclusivity (Maybe you think the Mods are the thing that makes your individual cars "exlusive") but not everyone wants a car that you can see on every corner. 150K... That's like 40-50% the sales of a Honda Accord...
Jon Do said:Why would I, as a consumer, care about the lack-luster sales of the GTO? That means that it gets offered with discounts, so from my perspective it becomes a better value. QUOTE]
???? What about the poor guys who already own GTOs? Their cars are depreciating faster than you can say "upside down car loan". The fact that a car is depreciating rapidly and has massive rebates attached to means the car is in trouble. Even though they try and make it appear somewhat scientific, I think the C&D rating scale is subjective. The gotta have it factor lets them rank order whatever car they like better. However, I think the styling and value factors were not weighted nearly enough. The GTO is significantly more expensive (MSRP) than the Stang, and although styling is up to personal tastes, it has a big impact on sales and appeal in the sports coupe segment. Take that article with a grain of salt and enjoy your GTO. But don't try and come into a Mustang forum and convince anyone the goat won that comparison.
stang-no-mus(t) said:The Car and Driver review was baised toward the mustang. Ford put so much time into that mustang there is no way there going to let C&D bash it. The article says nothing about the extreme power advantage of the gto, and instead of doing so they devot a whole paragraph on how the mustang's 1000watt shaker system is better than the 200watt gto stereo. Whenever they did put the gto ahead in a remark it took 2 or 3 times of reading to realize that they were regarding the gto as better. They didn't even mention how much more luxurious the interior is in the gto and the fact that the gto's back seat highly accomodates 2 decent sized adults(very unlike the mustang's). The only thing that the had the right to complain was the styling and the shifter feel....which i do believe the mustang has the edge over the gto on these. There was very little talk about the performance .....look at these numbers posted:
Mustang GTO
0-60: 5.1 4.8
0-100: 13.0 11.7
0-130: 25.6 19.6
1/4mile: 13.8@103 13.3@107
top gear:
30-50 9.8(5th gear) 9.6(6th gear)
50-70 9.6(5th gear) 9.2(6th gear)
Now to me those are numbers that belong to almost two different categories ....as the speed increases the gto just flat out smokes it. The gto beats it in top gear even though the mustang's top gear is 5th and the gto is 6th. Put the gto in 5th and watch those times shrink quick.
Look at the "Subjective/Objective RESULTS" of the test. The part that decides the winner.
The Mustang and the GTO "tied" in the "vehicle" section (77 to 77)
Putting ridiculous ratings like rear back seat comfort 4 to 5 and rear space 3 to 5. It should be more like 4 to 8 and 3 to 8, since the goat has far more room. Change those numbers and erase the "gotta- have - it - factor"(25 to 18) which is more like "How i think it looks factor," and the goat wins in total points 186 to 198.....a landslide. And just for arguments sake ...keep the "gotta-have-it-factor" and the goat should still win 211 to 216.(includes the powertrain, chassis, gotta-have-it-factor and fun-to-drive)
The GTO beat the mustang in chassis and powertrain (43 to 46) and (44 to 46), and fun to drive (22 to 23).
Clearly the GTO should have been the winner!!!
211 to 216 (at least)
JonJon said:i see lackluster sales as:
1) a poor product
2) a product with problems
3) over priced
Jon Do said:"...Whatever you guys say now, you are still in that phase where your car is new and unique, so you still get attention. When it is on every corner, it won't get that same attention...
You guys, on the other hand, obviously don't care about exclusivity (Maybe you think the Mods are the thing that makes your individual cars "exlusive") but not everyone wants a car that you can see on every corner...
stang-no-mus(t) said:i dont see however how Ford could put a 300hp car on the market when they knew a 400hp GTO was coming at the same time. Not to mention the GTO engine is far more advanced than the mustang. It is a 6.0liter with 400 hp and the mustangs is a 4.6liter with 300hp