1-chamber flows videos? still waiting
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Ya know, I really like the tone, they sound very healthy and throaty, but I am super disappointed with the volume, they are simply not very loud at all, I am debating right now ehading over to Summit & buying a BBK off road H pipe, they have it in stock, and the place is 5 minutes from me!RenDawg408 said:
I Think then it'll get louder, and then it'll be where I wanna be.
But directly, the sound "tone" is great, I love it.
I also have a good answer for someones question awhile back about why the car with the stock H pipe is louder when it's first started and gets quieter as it warms up.
The answer is: the cats are ice cold before the engine starts, something about the cats they work more efficiently when warm, so they are letting more through when cold, when warm they are more restrictive, hence quieter.
Thats my theory anyway. Makes logical sense to me.
Bill9000 said:
I'm in the same boat as you. I'm not completely satisfied with the 1 chambers. The problem that I have is that I can't throw on an o/r x or h pipe because its a big time NO NO here in Cali. Right now I have the welded on magnaflow X after the cats. I'm thinking of swapping out the 1 chambers for the 40 or Super 40 series & maybe slap on my stock H-Pipe. I want that Deep Growl!!!
I hear ya, well I am actually quite happy with the 1-chambers, only because I know what they sound like with no cats, had them on an old Chevelle I used to have, they sound mean (IF theres no cats)RenDawg408 said:
I know it's a big no no in cali to do it, but hre' I'm gettin rid of all my cats, straight off road H, I think I'm gonna go buy it after work tonight.
Is it true that you lose performance when running the 1 chambers with our GT's & a CAI (K&N)? I read somewhere that you lose your bottom end.
I tried calling a tech person at Flowmaster to ask about the 1 chambers & they told me to stay away from it. He said it was just like running straight pipes. He also said my car didn't have enough power to require such a muffler. He said to go with the 40 series. That's why I'm debating if I want performance or sound quality. To tell you the truth I want both.
What do you guys think?
Here's that article & the link to it that I found about losing performance when running a straight through muffler:
On this day it was clear that the K&N CAI was causing a lean condition, and that that condition would worsen when adding the CAT Back Exhausts. This is representative of the many enthusiasts out there who are or have done exactly this same set up modification. That is why there have been so many reports of Mach’s loosing the bottom end when modding with a CAT back. This is the condition that the dyno reported and is confirmed on this dyno and on this day that the lean condition indeed causes the loss of power on the bottom end. It should be noted that all systems tested posted both RWHP and RWT gains above the baseline dyno.
http://www.mach1review.com/CATBackExhaustSystemsReview.html
I tried calling a tech person at Flowmaster to ask about the 1 chambers & they told me to stay away from it. He said it was just like running straight pipes. He also said my car didn't have enough power to require such a muffler. He said to go with the 40 series. That's why I'm debating if I want performance or sound quality. To tell you the truth I want both.
What do you guys think?
Here's that article & the link to it that I found about losing performance when running a straight through muffler:
On this day it was clear that the K&N CAI was causing a lean condition, and that that condition would worsen when adding the CAT Back Exhausts. This is representative of the many enthusiasts out there who are or have done exactly this same set up modification. That is why there have been so many reports of Mach’s loosing the bottom end when modding with a CAT back. This is the condition that the dyno reported and is confirmed on this dyno and on this day that the lean condition indeed causes the loss of power on the bottom end. It should be noted that all systems tested posted both RWHP and RWT gains above the baseline dyno.
http://www.mach1review.com/CATBackExhaustSystemsReview.html
Well here's my two cents about that:RenDawg408 said:
Our cars don't typically have the power to NEED a 1-chamber muffler, BUT... I can notice NO power loss with mine... and it's not quite like straight pipes, look through a 1-chamber once, you cant see through them, the exhaust has to go around the center, and through the 1 chamber... they have some restriction (not much) but some!
My suggestion is, to do what sounds good, and the power difference between these and 2-chambers, I wouldnt think is enough to ever be able to notice.
The tech's from anywhere are gonna say "2-chambers" all the time, the people at Summit told be to get 2's, and they said "aww, two chabers are loud as hell." well, I'm here to tell ya, the once chambers arent even THAT loud, so 2-chambers, naaah.
But that's just my opinion, others like 'em!!!!!
Bill9000 said:Well here's my two cents about that:
Our cars don't typically have the power to NEED a 1-chamber muffler, BUT... I can notice NO power loss with mine... and it's not quite like straight pipes, look through a 1-chamber once, you cant see through them, the exhaust has to go around the center, and through the 1 chamber... they have some restriction (not much) but some!
My suggestion is, to do what sounds good, and the power difference between these and 2-chambers, I wouldnt think is enough to ever be able to notice.
The tech's from anywhere are gonna say "2-chambers" all the time, the people at Summit told be to get 2's, and they said "aww, two chabers are loud as hell." well, I'm here to tell ya, the once chambers arent even THAT loud, so 2-chambers, naaah.
But that's just my opinion, others like 'em!!!!!
I agree with you on that one Bill. It wouldn't be much of a difference, on performance wise, if you were to run a 1 or a 2 chamber.
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RenDawg408 said:
Think about it like this, most of the best performing mufflers are straight through mufflers so it wouldnt make sense why 1 chamber flows would decrease performance. I'm not gonna say the guy from flowmaster is wrong for sure but I'm almost 100% sure that 1 chamber flows will not decrease performance and will increase performance more than 2 chamber flowmasters would. Our cars make enough power to need the extra airflow if they didnt then why would people be putting on less restrictive catbacks? V6's dont want a straight through muffler because they dont make enough power to require the more airflow they would benefit more from a chambered muffler.
Any muffler you put on there isnt going to make a huge difference. The SLP loudmouth is the loudest muffler there is. If you want it to be loud or really get a different tone you need to change the mid-pipe.
Sick96Stang
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RenDawg408 said:
I dont live in Cali but there are alot of people on here who do. From what I have heard any mid-pipe other than the stock one in Cali is illegal so you might have to break the law if you want a different mid-pipe. Options for mid-pipes are either Off Road H or X, or H or X with high-flow cats. Obviously the H or X with high flow cats will be quieter so if you were to change your mid-pipe I would suggest you go with that. Personally I prefer H-pipe it will give you a deeper grumble than the X-pipe which might be what you are looking for since you are trying not to draw attention to yourself.
Sick96Stang
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RenDawg408 said:
What is your current exhaust setup? I see u have 1 chamber flows and it says you have a magnaflow x-pipe also is that correct? If you want a deep grumble you are going to want to stay away from X-pipes. H-pipes are definetely the way to go for the deep grumble. If you must have an X-pipe I would suggest getting the Dr. Gas or Mustangtuning X-pipe those seem to the best two X-pipes if you want a deep grumble but like I said you will never get the deep grumble from an X-pipe like you will from an H-pipe.
Sick96Stang said:
The x-pipe that I have was butchered in by the local muffler shop. He cut from the back of the cats all the way back to the end of the stock mufflers. Then he added the so called X-Pipe, after my cats, with the 1 chamber flows. I remember he also had to add an extension because the 1 chambers were 3 inch inlets & outlets. I kept the stock diameter.
Too bad I didn't know about this site back then!
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