04 GT vs 05 GT
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zero3mach1dsg said:
now magazines are the ultimate authority on how fast a car is?
Just read what people have been getting after they had some time to get used to the car. From what I'm reading, the best stock time was 13.35 and the average time for most people is mid to high 13 second range
How can you seriously believe a 04 gt is evenly matched to a 05gt performance wise?
Klay said:now magazines are the ultimate authority on how fast a car is?
Just read what people have been getting after they had some time to get used to the car. From what I'm reading, the best stock time was 13.35 and the average time for most people is mid to high 13 second range
How can you seriously believe a 04 gt is evenly matched to a 05gt performance wise?
i don't really believe a 04 gt is evenly matched to a 05 gt, please don't put such words on my mouth
and magazines are not the ultimate authority, but from any of the other magazines out there, mm&ff is a true and proven mustang authority if you didn't know about it. Jim campisano,and Evan smith for example, can drive the ***** out of any car, i guess you've at least read about Evan Smith
lately i've decided to wait and see more times during the next season, the internet is full of internet racers, performance shops advertising some incredible tunning procedures that would give 300hp to this cars, (where are those 300hp cars with tunning alone???
) and people that doesn't even own a 05 gt,yet, with the autority to say this is a low 13's car in stock trim, people that swear this car is making 280RWHP in stock trim, in the end, there is a lot of hype on this car wheater people like it or not. 280rwhp with 100-101mph traps???, no wonder half of the internet is asking why in the heck this car is not doing better than that. the tb doesn't open in full at redline, no burnouts allowed by the ecm, it's heavy,redline comes at 6000,lets not forget about the wheel hoop, or powershift issues, and so on.... the car is making 280RWHP, YES, BUT AFTER TUNNING. can it go that fast???, indeed, but you need tunning to do that, don't expect that much in stock trim. PHP shop own the first mach 1 on the 11's and first 05 GT in the 12's, they know how to race, they were able to get 13.9 UNCORRECTED out of a 5 speed GT, 266rwhp on dynojet, mm&ff ran 14 with an automatic, yes i agree, on a really hot day. Hot rod magazine on that review of that 12's 05 gt said their sister magazine motor trend was able to get 13.6 out of that automatic 05 GT because of an excelent weather and CORRECTED factors.
for all we know there is 13.35 with what, one witness????, i wonder where is the rest of the people watching this cars when they're running such times???
check any other forum on the net pal, people are wondering why this car is trapping that low, i guess when there is one running low 13's people would rush to at least argue about the time.
and lastly to clarify just in case, i believe the car would go low 13's, (Tunning and Excelent Driver Required), but the average joe would get consistant high 13's out of their stock 05 gt's. drivers make the difference no matter what car are you driving, so mid 13's are trully possible with excelent drivers,excelent weather and one heck of a lunch, don't expect this to be the average though, cause there are a lot of issues with this car in stock trim. just watch and see FOR YOURSELF .....
JonJon
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Klay said:now magazines are the ultimate authority on how fast a car is?
Just read what people have been getting after they had some time to get used to the car. From what I'm reading, the best stock time was 13.35 and the average time for most people is mid to high 13 second range
How can you seriously believe a 04 gt is evenly matched to a 05gt performance wise?
didn't you see the beginning of the thread, C&D ran a 15.1 in an 02 GT, therefore they are slow. 
and and 04 is not evenly matched but it isn't out of the running, a poor shift or launch by the 05 and it would have to play catchup. half a second isn't that much of a difference in the 1/4 and it'd be hard to catchup and pass someone if you fell behind. 05 definately has the advantage though
sawman70
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hp2k5 said:
First, your on crack if you think the whole shooting match will cost you 27K.
Second, my $24,500 Cobra cam off the used car lot with 455hp 483 ftlb at the wheels.
Third, My guess is Rootus is packing a bit more than 390hp.
Don't start this stupid pissing match again.
The drive train in the 03/04 Cobra is more than the 05 GT will ever be without removing and doing a complete build. Is it a better car? To some yes, to some no. They are both phenominal in my eyes and hopefully to all on this site.
The two vehicles are way too different to be compared and the issue should die here to avoid any 3 week deluge of mine is bigger than yours crap.
I'll say this much. It's always the 05 guys who whip theirs out first. Keep it your pants where it belongs.
JonJon
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sawman70 said:First, your on crack if you think the whole shooting match will cost you 27K.
Second, my $24,500 Cobra cam off the used car lot with 455hp 483 ftlb at the wheels.
Third, My guess is Rootus is packing a bit more than 390hp.
Don't start this stupid pissing match again.
The drive train in the 03/04 Cobra is more than the 05 GT will ever be without removing and doing a complete build. Is it a better car? To some yes, to some no. They are both phenominal in my eyes and hopefully to all on this site.
The two vehicles are way too different to be compared and the issue should die here to avoid any 3 week deluge of mine is bigger than yours crap.
I'll say this much. It's always the 05 guys who whip theirs out first. Keep it your pants where it belongs.
sawman70 said:First, your on crack if you think the whole shooting match will cost you 27K.
Second, my $24,500 Cobra cam off the used car lot with 455hp 483 ftlb at the wheels.
Third, My guess is Rootus is packing a bit more than 390hp.
Don't start this stupid pissing match again.
The drive train in the 03/04 Cobra is more than the 05 GT will ever be without removing and doing a complete build. Is it a better car? To some yes, to some no. They are both phenominal in my eyes and hopefully to all on this site.
The two vehicles are way too different to be compared and the issue should die here to avoid any 3 week deluge of mine is bigger than yours crap.
I'll say this much. It's always the 05 guys who whip theirs out first. Keep it your pants where it belongs.
I see....
This topic was declared dead by the forum moderater. You also insulted another stangnet member with your unecesary "crack" comment. Thats two forum rules broken. What does it take for people like this to be banned or at least warned ???
Now, back to the topic at hand. Not only does the 05 gt auto have 60 more hp but it is also a 5 speed tranny. Even a not so good driver such as our "magazine" drivers should be able to turn consitent 13.7s in the 1/4.
tylers65
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hp2k5 said:
First, I never said it was dead, I simply requested it get back on subject.
Second, If I read this correctly, it states that he feels you are smoking crack only if you think that the 2005 Mustang can be purchased and modded to perform as well as an 03/04 Cobra for $27K
I will play along for a brief moment.
Lets say I went to my local for dealership and by some miracle I was able to convince them that I should get the car for $23K.
In Washington state, there is an 8.9% sales tax. This brings the total to $25,047, then you have to ad licensing. I will be nice and call it $250. Now I have paid $25297. I have no idea what destination charges are, but they usually hang around $500 making the cost $25797.
So we are nearing the $26000 mark.
In order for the 05 to get to the level an 03/04 Cobra, one would have to spend roughly $4000 for a Supercharger. $29797. SCT would have to custom flash the computer $325 now it cost $30122, lots of air in means lots of air out. Add about $600 for exhaust upgrades (again being nice), $30722. More air needs more fuel add $100 percylinder for new injectors $31522.
Should I keep going????
If I ad tax to all of these items, I come up with $32031.52
This is just to get the 2005 on par with the 03/04 Cobra in a straight line.
If you want the 6 speed gear box, open the wallet up nice and wide. IRS, Forged internals, the ability to make 600 RWHP without changing the engine internals, these will all cost you.
As far as being on crack...
Some people articulate themselves differently than others. It is not your job to tell me who I should or should not ban and for what reason. He never said you are smoking crack, he suggested that one would have to be smoking crack in order to believe the statements you made. Now that I have put the numbers in black and white, I would have to agree with him.
Now, let's leave the whole Cobra thing out of this.
The questions seems to have been answered, the 05 GT A/T is faster that the 04 GT A/T.
Any other questions?
i'm still waiting to know where is this 60hp difference 
http://www.fordpartsnetwork.com/05 Mustang GT.htm
http://www.fordpartsnetwork.com/05 Mustang GT.htm
zero3mach1dsg said:i'm still waiting to know where is this 60hp difference
Its 40 hp ... my bad ... I thought this was common knowledge since the 05 came out but here are some links:
http://autos.msn.com/research/compa...i=0&tb=0&ph1=t0&ph2=t0&dt=0&v=t99404&v=t97412
http://www.carsdirect.com/research/compareresults?acodes=USB50FOC051C0,USB40FOC051D0
If you need more links I can get them ... Just ask
p.s. for tyler ... as you can see invoice on the 05 is 22k and change. I can also get more proof for you if you need it
hotmustang331
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tylers65 said:
True but it doesnt matter, fact is the 05 GT is better in handling, has a better chasis, better interior, updated looks, and MUCH better traction.Cobra has the motor, but thats it, and on top of that its supercharged which means that it will not have the reliability of a N/A engine. Cobras are also heavier (especially over 04 GTs), which means that if say I buy a 04 cobra engine and put it in an 04 OR 05 GT, the current cobra would get toasted.The cobra is nothing real special, it just has a jump on the rest of us on the engine side, once we step up, the cobra gets owned.As for the T56, its not good for the 1/4, only roadracing or top end running.The 5spd have better (lower) 1st gears which launch better. Kinda depends on what you want, powertrain isnt everything.....Ok now, like everyone else said, 05 > 04 in ALMOST every area.The only thing the 99-04 GTs do better in is braking. 1/4 mile time on 05 should be much better due to the 5spd auto vs 4spd, better traction, 3.55 gears, and ofcourse the 300HP with a power curve that keeps pulling hard to 6K.Only 2 things against it, weighs more( a mag reported that on a very acurate scale at a 1/4 track, an 05 GT weighed *if I recal correctly* 140 pounds more than its published weight, that means its like 200lbs heavier than 04 GTs), and it seems to be much less aero dynamic, probably another reason for the low traps. Bottom line, buy what you would feel you would like driving more. These comparos between 04 cobras and the 05s is crazy, its like saying that for the price of an 04 cobra I could get a used Z06 vette, so therefore the cobra is not worth it and you should go for the vette everytime....its just retarded.
sawman70
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Again, the 05 infants prove my point for me. Belittling the Cobra and somehow bringing the 04 GT to 05 GT descussion to a full fledged Cobra bashing seminar. I love it. There is much more to the Cobra than just the motor and for some, it is a special car. And once you step up and modify, most Cobra owners have already moved into a HP catagorie your 04/05 GT block can't handle and we retain our perfect driveablility and durability. That is farcacle to assume you are the only one to modify. I know of no Cobra owner near me who is stock. Most have more HP than me. Oh well, it's junk anyway. Just a polished turd.
04 GT vs 05 GT. Doesn't seem like much of a contest to me any way, if it was, Ford would have failed.
04 GT vs 05 GT. Doesn't seem like much of a contest to me any way, if it was, Ford would have failed.
sawman70
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hp2k5 said:The almighty has spoken ... We all have been owned
What a joke .... LMFAO
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