Hydracarbon Trap Removal

[tylers65]

Why not just look at the Computer code yourself. It is written on the side of the fuse box.

BTW, the computers are not the same. When you said earlier that the cumputers were the same but the programming is different, you told on yourself. If they were the same, then they would have to have the same specifications - everywhere. You keep getting on here and saying that you have a Lincoln LS and that it is basically a Mustang GT but it is not... I do not claim to know the Lincoln LS (or even care to) but what would it look like if I went to a Lincoln LS board and started spouting off like I knew everything about it because I had its twin cousin - the Mustang GT. The worst part about it is that you are going to get some of these people in trouble when they modify their car - taking your advice to not get things checked - like the A/F - or get it tuned. I know what I do from experience. I am the one whose car was tested in the article on Modular Depot so that I could disspell rumors like the ones that you keep spouting off... The testing was done to disprove the nay-sayers like yourself... This is a 2005 Mustang GT board and not a Lincoln LS board. Until you have some FACTS, then I do not think that you should be coming here and giving advice on things that you have never tested or experienced.

To address your first question...

I do not just look at the code because my computer is behind the glove box deep in the dash and would take half the day to get to it in order to find the code, then I would have to spend the rest of the day putting it back together while waiting for the new computer to show up only to do it all over again.

Second, Yes the computers are the same. You and I can both go buy a Dell pc with the exact same specs. If I put windows XP Pro on but you put Windows XP home on yours, does that make it a totally different PC? No, it just has different programming.

Third, I could give 2 craps less what article your car was in.

Fourth, If you read my previous post, you will see that I stated that the Lincoln runs rich. I have acknowledged that there is a difference between the tuning of the 2 and have also told everyone where they can go to get the SCT tuning chip to assist them.

I am very aware that this is not a Lincoln LS forum (I should know this as I am the moderator around here). Thank you for telling me something I must be so painfully unaware of. I am such a stupid ass for trying to assist anyone by telling them to not only get their cars tuned, but by telling them all where they can go to get it done.

Please forgive me for my attempt at helping.

Is there anything else you would care to tell me that should or should not be allowed in this forum?

Please feel free, I will gladly hand over the reigns and let you spend hours a day babysitting this forum for FREE since you seem to be the utmost authority on what should not be talked about.

Get bent

 

[tylers65]

In Addition...

Please inform me how I am a "Nay-Sayer".

You claim to be the authority on the 2005 but your sig says you have a 2004 Mach-1

You say you would not claim to know anything about my car, but you incorrectly tell me where to check my computer codes?

Then claim I told everyone NOT to get their stuff checked while quoting a post that clearly tells everyone to go to Ford Parts Network for their tuning needs???

Then you have the balls to tell the moderator where he should or should not go???

YOU have NO right to tell ANY member not to post in ANY thread.

Do I make my self clear?

 

[hp2k5]

In Addition...

Please inform me how I am a "Nay-Sayer".

You claim to be the authority on the 2005 but your sig says you have a 2004 Mach-1

You say you would not claim to know anything about my car, but you incorrectly tell me where to check my computer codes?

Then claim I told everyone NOT to get their stuff checked while quoting a post that clearly tells everyone to go to Ford Parts Network for their tuning needs???

Then you have the balls to tell the moderator where he should or should not go???

YOU have NO right to tell ANY member not to post in ANY thread.

Do I make my self clear?

LOL. You got a tuff job Tywee ... keeping us stangers in line

 

[tylers65]

This is a 2005 Mustang GT board and not a Lincoln LS board.

Someone used MPG as an excuse NOT to get 4.10's but I drove 500 miles with 3.55's in my Mach 1 and got 24.1 MPG and with the 4.10's (the same exact route) got 24.5. MPG is not an excuse because it actually can improve your gas mileage just like mine (maybe not in the city but definitely on the highway).

Those who think that the '05 is going to be faster - who knows. Different track, weather, driver, etc. can be contributing factors in this battle. Just like you cannot answer the question will it beat the '04 GTO. The real answer is "it depends on the driver." A crappy driver in one car and a good driver in the other and you have a won race. The true test is how satisfied you are with YOUR car. If the '05 is for you, then buy one. If not, then don't. If you want an unbiased opinion, buy both and test them both at the track same driver, same day, same track.

You think that is bad? I had '00, '01 GT Prem, '02 GT Prem, (almost bought a Mystichrome Cobra but the dealer wanted too much mark-up), '04 Mach 1 (just bought in April and will keep as my race car), and am getting my wife an '05 GT Premium w/red Interior Accent.

I guess this might not be the Lincoln LS forum, but it seems to be the '00, '01, '02, 04 Mach-1, and GTO forum

 

[gilmoujr]

Just giving my own PERSONAL experiences with MUSTANGS and I DO own a 2005 Mustang GT that has already been under the knife... The computer code in a 2005 Mustang GT is beside the fuse box - as I was stating for the ones here that actually OWN a 2005 Mustang and were curious. PLEASE forgive me for telling FACTS about the 2005 Mustang... If you want to ban me - do it... Just by personally attacking me and other threads to which I have contributed (taken out of context - no doubt) with some FACTS, shows that you have hold on to your position as a moderator with a tight grip and let everyone know it by putting your finger near the "ban" button when someone voices an opinion that differs from yours. I knew you were a moderator before submitting the post.

I am just tired of people talking out of their behinds about the 2005 Mustang when they do not know what they are talking about. I never claimed to be an expert but I am gaining knowledge through experience and not by speculation and regurgitation.

I hope that this post does not get deleted or edited so that others may know goes on here at Stangnet... Maybe it is just time to stick with Brad's site. They seem to be a little bit more mature - and knowlegdable...

 

[Glenns05]

consider yourself lucky

Gilmour,

I had a thread removed for poking fun at the Mach, Corbra, GTO, threads saying that the new GT just could not be as fast. The mod is right here no need to power bomb anyone since the GT is so new there is very little knowledge and most people are extrapolating based on previous knowledge. I'm surprised you were'nt censored at the very least.

 

[gilmoujr]

That is what I was trying to prevent. There is so much that is new about this car that giving out extrapolated information could, in fact, be wrong information. Since I did the mod in question - and checked everything to see if it was okay - which it wasn't, then I am attempting to prevent someone else from blowing up their motor. Simply saying that a tune is not needed due to ANOTHER vehicles performance is just absurd and I was trying to give the straight answer - not trying to start a flame war.

 

[REDFIRE 05 GT]

would someone PLEASE this thread!

 

[tylers65]

That is what I was trying to prevent. There is so much that is new about this car that giving out extrapolated information could, in fact, be wrong information. Since I did the mod in question - and checked everything to see if it was okay - which it wasn't, then I am attempting to prevent someone else from blowing up their motor. Simply saying that a tune is not needed due to ANOTHER vehicles performance is just absurd and I was trying to give the straight answer - not trying to start a flame war.

You see, you took my post out of context. If you re-read my post, you will see that I told everyone to take it for what it is.

By assuming that everyone will go out and do what I was able to do just cause some guy on the internet with a different car was able to do it is assuming that everyone on this forum (excluding yourself of course) is a mindless retard willing to do whatever someone tells them to do.

I will not lock this thread simply because we disagree on this issue. I simply feel as though I was attacked for trying to assist with the EXPERIENCE I have had with this computer. But you feel you should attack me by saying that my finger is on the ban button simply for countering your statements.

I ask a tough question or disolve your statements/attacks and you refuse to actually retort to those statements but instead attack me for being a moderator. That is a cowards defense. By saying "go ahead and ban me", you are crawling into a protective shell to prove a point. If I ban you now, you can feel justified in your actions. If you ignore my questions/statements, you can sit in the corner thumbing your nose at me and still feel good about yourself by telling the world you beat the moderator.

Why not respond to my statements/questions instead of hiding behing the "go ahead and ban me" shield.

Then you try to hide behind the "not trying to start a flame war". But you quote everything I say out of context and twist it around. You say that I am telling people to not check their mods, but I re-read all of my posts and I NEVER said those things. Then you tell me to stay out of a post in a forum that I moderate simply for disagreing with you.

Then you say I am immature for not agreing with you but you through a temper tantrum and say you are going over to Brad's site because we are all a bunch of mean old stupid heads???

Who is the mature one here? Is it the mod that won't let you get away with trying to take over his forum and push people out of threads because he does not agree with you??? Or is it the guy who has to beat on his chest about what magazine article he was a part of and tell everyone that this site is immature and then storms off?

I do not hold grudges and will not ban or punish someone for disagreing with me.

And for the record, I have never personally banned anyone on this site at all, whether they disagree or not. Not 1 person has been banned by my hand so you might want to play that card elsewhere.

 

[tylers65]

would someone PLEASE this thread!

No

Don't read it,

No forum rules have been broken.

We simply do not agree on a couple of things. It is no reason to lock a thread, delete any posts, or ban anyone.

I particularly enjoy these debates as long as they do not get personal. As long as gilmoujr knows that I am not trying to make this personal, and I too understand that he is not making it personal, there is no harm in this thread.

This may not ever be resolved, but it is good for the world to see that there is more than one way to come up with a solution.

We have not resorted to name calling, or personal insults. We simply do not agree and have different ways of coming to a conclusion.

If he answers my questions and responds to my statements instead of playing the ban me card, I will go leave my Lincoln's computer out of the remainder of this thread.

My hole point was to tell everyone to leave their computers alone because they could seriously screw a lot of things up. But because my car is not a 2005 Mustang, I instantly become the village idiot for trying to help.

Simply grant my wishes (answer the questions) and I will grant you yours (I will stay out of the thread).

Fair enough?

 

[gilmoujr]

Are these the questions?

You say you would not claim to know anything about my car, but you incorrectly tell me where to check my computer codes?

I was actually telling the 2005 Mustang GT owners where they could find THEIR computer code without having to go to an aftermarket parts supplier to find out... So they could have some sort of hand in their own car and not have to pay (or ask) someone else to figure it out for them.

Then claim I told everyone NOT to get their stuff checked while quoting a post that clearly tells everyone to go to Ford Parts Network for their tuning needs???

Well, you did say that they did not need to have their A/F checked because the car runs so rich from the factory. When Mine was tuned, it started out with an A/F ratio of 9.8:1 with peaks of 10.1:1 which is very rich. When the Trap was removed the car ran DANGEROUSLY lean. It got even worse when we added the MMR CAI. So, yes, a tune was in order. The car ran fine, but the A/F was sky high. I am sure that others cars will run fine, too - for a while but can eventually have longevity problems. This issue from a "free" mod is not really acceptable on a $25K+ car - is it?

Then you have the balls to tell the moderator where he should or should not go???

I was not telling you to go anywhere, I was merely stating that you were talking about a Lincoln LS and NOT a 2005 Mustang which may not respond to modifications in the same way that the Mustang will. If yours is running fine, then so be it, but MY Mustang was running LEAN.. Way too lean not to mention - to, maybe, prevent a fellow Mustang owner from having a catastrophic failure.

 

[REDFIRE 05 GT]

No

Don't read it,

No forum rules have been broken.

We simply do not agree on a couple of things. It is no reason to lock a thread, delete any posts, or ban anyone.

I particularly enjoy these debates as long as they do not get personal. As long as gilmoujr knows that I am not trying to make this personal, and I too understand that he is not making it personal, there is no harm in this thread.

This may not ever be resolved, but it is good for the world to see that there is more than one way to come up with a solution.

We have not resorted to name calling, or personal insults. We simply do not agree and have different ways of coming to a conclusion.

If he answers my questions and responds to my statements instead of playing the ban me card, I will go leave my Lincoln's computer out of the remainder of this thread.

My hole point was to tell everyone to leave their computers alone because they could seriously screw a lot of things up. But because my car is not a 2005 Mustang, I instantly become the village idiot for trying to help.

Simply grant my wishes (answer the questions) and I will grant you yours (I will stay out of the thread).

Fair enough?

I agree, I also have a 2002 LS V8 and have done some research, these cars engine management system is very similar, not to mention the ride quality. Does the lincoln have a HC trap? couldnt find that info anywhere.

 

[REDFIRE 05 GT]

Are these the questions?

I was actually telling the 2005 Mustang GT owners where they could find THEIR computer code without having to go to an aftermarket parts supplier to find out... So they could have some sort of hand in their own car and not have to pay (or ask) someone else to figure it out for them.
Well, you did say that they did not need to have their A/F checked because the car runs so rich from the factory. When Mine was tuned, it started out with an A/F ratio of 9.8:1 with peaks of 10.1:1 which is very rich. When the Trap was removed the car ran DANGEROUSLY lean. It got even worse when we added the MMR CAI. So, yes, a tune was in order. The car ran fine, but the A/F was sky high. I am sure that others cars will run fine, too - for a while but can eventually have longevity problems. This issue from a "free" mod is not really acceptable on a $25K+ car - is it?
I was not telling you to go anywhere, I was merely stating that you were talking about a Lincoln LS and NOT a 2005 Mustang which may not respond to modifications in the same way that the Mustang will. If yours is running fine, then so be it, but MY Mustang was running LEAN.. Way too lean not to mention - to, maybe, prevent a fellow Mustang owner from having a catastrophic failure.

That does it for me, im putting my HC trap back in, never noticed any gains with it out, just thought less restriction=better air flow....thanks for the info, you may have saved alot of us from problems down the road

 

[watch]

Blowing up their motor !!! That means anyone who over the past 5 years used a K@N filter increased the air flow,which leaned out the engine ,where are all those blown engines ?

 

[Emil]

The Terminator guys have certain mods they know they can do without a tune and certain ones that need a tune. This is based on alot of cars and alot of feedback. Since the '05 is very new until you get enough guys to confirm what mods need what, it sounds like you early modders need to be part of the investigation and get the things dyno'ed until a database can be built up.
I think that's all that's trying to be said here.

 

[gilmoujr]

Blowing up their motor !!! That means anyone who over the past 5 years used a K@N filter increased the air flow,which leaned out the engine ,where are all those blown engines ?

The K&N did not lean out the A/F ratio AS MUCH as the MMR kit is doing. The K&N filter is also not opening up the MAF wider than stock like the MMR. The meter is reading the same air rushing by the meter based on air velocity but there is MORE air going past the meter - so the meter is not metering the air properly - no computer will fix this on its own (ie. without a tune).

My personal Hydrocarbon Trap Theory:
Have you ever seen a stream flowing with no obstructions? The flow is mostly straightforward. Stick an obstacle in the path of the flow. you will notice that there is a build-up of water behind the stick and a low area in front of the stick. The water moves around the stick but it is slowed somewhat in doing so (but speeds back up to the same speed of flow downstream due to the rest of the flow and the friction that the other water has on it). If you measured the speed of the flow in various spotsin the stream, you would get varying speeds (especially in front of and behind the stick). Now imagine that you have the HC Trap in the path of the airflow doing the same thing. If the meter is set up to measure the velocity of the air (based on the cooling affect that the incoming rushing air has on the MAF sensor) and you remove the turbulence, then you will increase the speed of the air. This will make the MAF (rather the computer) think that there is more (or colder) air coming into the motor. The computer may read this as a potential problem because it is only supposed to operate within a certain range of air velocity. This may be why the computers are throwing a code when the HC Trap is removed and/or a CAI is installed - especially ones that enlarge the MAF tube. Take my theory for what it is worth - just my theory...

 

[watch]

How does A/F ratio with the trap removed compare to only installing a lower restricting air filter? Same filter box just k&n filter.

 

[gilmoujr]

I have not heard of any testing on that but I would SPECULATE that it would not be a bad thing (probably not get you any gains either). As long as you leave the MAF, Inlet Tube alone (leaving in the HC Trap), then it would simply make the intake a little less restrictive - but the meter would read the same velocities of air and adjust accordingly.

Remember in the 04 and below stangs when the MAF Screen was removed and there were problems with the motor running lean? Could be the same for the HC trap removal(?).

 

[RAS96GT]

C'mon guys... group hug.

 

[royb]

took mine out today & can't tell a difference one way or another. It's located after the MAF so the computer will not know if it's gone.