Looking for advice - and lots of it

Jacob07

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I received an 88 lx 2.3l as a gift in February. Just the standard car, not convertible or anything - only has 45k original miles. It had some major issues running but it turned out to just be the FPR. After I replaced that it ran pretty well. Its not as smooth as other cars I've driven but I'm assuming that is simply because its only 88hp. Recently things have went down hill. First the heater core went then I started having problems with the car getting too hot. I have the heater core bypassed for now. I know I need a new radiator. Its not leaking but its rusted and flaking away. There's quite a bit of rust under the car (it resided in northern Illinois for most of its life). I think the body is still in good condition though - I'm no expert there though. I just know that for the most part nothing is rusted through. Just a little more background and I'll get to the points. I'm 16 and I've never really been interested in cars. That all changed when I got my car. Now I'm addicted and I've been cramming my head ever since. I never imagined myself as the type of person that would spend days working on their car and have black hands covered in oil and grease. I lack experience and I don't know everything yet. A good example would be that I just learned what a "rearend" was last week.

Now that you have some idea of my car and myself I'll get on with it. I absolutely love my car. It just doesn't have the power I would like and theres not much to argue about when someone makes a negative comment about the car. If I don't get a good start I end up at 55 going up a hill on the highway. Basically it comes out something like: as my car is falling apart I'm trying to find ways of making it faster.

The 2.3 turbo swap looks great. I've been thinking about it for a couple months and researching. Now that its summer I actually have the money and time to go for it. I still have many questions though and thats the purpose of this post.

First, should I be able to pull off this swap? Unbolt the original engine and remove it - drop the new one in, bolt it, and modify a few wires. That seems to be what most people say but then you see guides and they get complicated.

I'm not going for much though, I just want the car to be stable and without much maintenance. Some of the engines are 200HP stock and that sounds ideal to me.

Second, what would I need other than tools and the block? I know there are many guides on this but they all differ and seem to require several things. Intercooler? The cold air intake should be no problem. Better fuel pump? Boost regulator? Boost gauge?

Third, from what I've read I may have issues with my transmission. Its automatic. I'm under the impression the turbo will be too hard on it as its not designed for a turbo. Really I think I would prefer a manual transmission. More power, better gas mileage...and to be honest it just sounds funner. I've looked into switching the transmission and that starts looking pretty difficult. A transmission rebuild looks near impossible to me - not sure if that would even be something I would need to do. How hard is it to switch the transmission and is it something that needs to be done the same time you switch the engine? If I could delay that part a while it would be easier (financially). But if its straight forward and needs to be done at the same time then I can manage.

Fourth, engine rebuild - How difficult is it? I'm going to be looking in junkyards and it just seems like a really good idea to rebuild the engine before I put it in. Is it something that can be done with little experience? (but with lots of research)

Fifth, junkyards - I've never been to one. I've already looked up all the surrounding junkyards and have their numbers/addresses. But, I have no idea what to expect. What is the general etiquette? Also what should I be looking for when I find a possibly suitable engine.

Sixth, the rust - Is it going to be an issue? Structure-wise? I'm going to replace the radiator before I mess with the engine. Any recommendations for a good aftermarket radiator thats under $150? Also, I plan to spend some major time working on taking the rust off the underside and painting the surfaces.

Seventh, Exhaust - I know, everyone asks about exhaust. How much would it cost me to replace the exhaust? I don't want duals or anything too fancy, just something thats reliable and won't sound too bad. (and cheap) The manifold is pretty rusted also - should I just clean it up or buy a new one? Fairly low end ones are in the $150-$200 range right? (manifolds)

Eighth, Whats the typical price to have a shop paint a car? I'm under the impression its around $400 to $500.

Ninth, What about tires? How much would a full set of wider tires cost me? I will need wider wheels correct? How much extra handling would be achieved? I would have to put this part off until my budget allowed it.

Tenth, In the end will this all be worth it? Does anyone else care to share an estimate of what they paid to swap for the turbo? Should I follow my dreams and pour the money or just sell the car and find a new one?

I have a distant friend who I talked to briefly a while back about this and he seemed to know what he was talking about. At least more than I know. I think he has a late 60's Mustang. I think he would be willing to help me out. If everything worked out I think it would be a pretty nice little car. I live in a small town of about 830 people and there are easily 12 Mustangs. But they are all 99+. I have yet to see a single fox body in town other than my own. (Or at least since I've been looking.) Lastly, Thank you so much for reading all of that - its hard for me to keep things brief. :cheers: Any help will be greatly appreciated.
 
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Jacob07 said:
First, should I be able to pull off this swap? Unbolt the original engine and remove it - drop the new one in, bolt it, and modify a few wires. That seems to be what most people say but then you see guides and they get complicated.

I'm not going for much though, I just want the car to be stable and without much maintenance. Some of the engines are 200HP stock and that sounds ideal to me.

Second, what would I need other than tools and the block? I know there are many guides on this but they all differ and seem to require several things. Intercooler? The cold air intake should be no problem. Better fuel pump? Boost regulator? Boost gauge?

Third, from what I've read I may have issues with my transmission. Its automatic. I'm under the impression the turbo will be too hard on it as its not designed for a turbo. Really I think I would prefer a manual transmission. More power, better gas mileage...and to be honest it just sounds funner. I've looked into switching the transmission and that starts looking pretty difficult. A transmission rebuild looks near impossible to me - not sure if that would even be something I would need to do. How hard is it to switch the transmission and is it something that needs to be done the same time you switch the engine? If I could delay that part a while it would be easier (financially). But if its straight forward and needs to be done at the same time then I can manage.

Fourth, engine rebuild - How difficult is it? I'm going to be looking in junkyards and it just seems like a really good idea to rebuild the engine before I put it in. Is it something that can be done with little experience? (but with lots of research)

Fifth, junkyards - I've never been to one. I've already looked up all the surrounding junkyards and have their numbers/addresses. But, I have no idea what to expect. What is the general etiquette? Also what should I be looking for when I find a possibly suitable engine.

Sixth, the rust - Is it going to be an issue? Structure-wise? I'm going to replace the radiator before I mess with the engine. Any recommendations for a good aftermarket radiator thats under $150? Also, I plan to spend some major time working on taking the rust off the underside and painting the surfaces.

Seventh, Exhaust - I know, everyone asks about exhaust. How much would it cost me to replace the exhaust? I don't want duals or anything too fancy, just something thats reliable and won't sound too bad. (and cheap) The manifold is pretty rusted also - should I just clean it up or buy a new one? Fairly low end ones are in the $150-$200 range right? (manifolds)

Eighth, Whats the typical price to have a shop paint a car? I'm under the impression its around $400 to $500.

Ninth, What about tires? How much would a full set of wider tires cost me? I will need wider wheels correct? How much extra handling would be achieved? I would have to put this part off until my budget allowed it.

Tenth, In the end will this all be worth it? Does anyone else care to share an estimate of what they paid to swap for the turbo? Should I follow my dreams and pour the money or just sell the car and find a new one?

I have a distant friend who I talked to briefly a while back about this and he seemed to know what he was talking about. At least more than I know. I think he has a late 60's Mustang. I think he would be willing to help me out. If everything worked out I think it would be a pretty nice little car. I live in a small town of about 830 people and there are easily 12 Mustangs. But they are all 99+. I have yet to see a single fox body in town other than my own. (Or at least since I've been looking.) Lastly, Thank you so much for reading all of that - its hard for me to keep things brief. :cheers: Any help will be greatly appreciated.
First, the turbo swap is pretty easy, the motor mounts bolts right in. You only want around 200hp right? So get yourself a Large VAM (vane meter), conversion harness, and LA3 (all of this should cost under a $100) Remember when you are at the junkyard (and good luck finding one) take the engine, manifold (header) turbo and downpipe if it's in good condition. Brin a lot of PB blaster. The 2.3T's are a brick they should be fine as long as the owner took care of it somewhat. If you're worried about it drain the oil and see what it looks like.

Second, a better fuel pump would be a good idea. You do not need a boost controller seeing as the stock wastegate actuators are set for about 9.5 p.s.i. if you ever want to turn up the boost buy a manual boost controller. Boost gauges are cheap.

Third, The transmission shouldn't be that hard and you will see as you get into it there will be people to help you. NEVER RUSH THINGS!

Fourth, a rebuild in my mind would be getting the block tanked, inspected, change rotating assembly, and getting it sleeved ($$$), if you are talking about "Freshen-up" kit then yea it would be a good idea.

Fifth, if you got to a nice jy like u-pull-it they should have wheelbarrels and chains for pulling an engine. Put all misc. parts that you can fit into your pockets and socks because they WILL nickle and dime you everywhere they can because of you being young and not knowing when to say "thats not a good deal." OR just get friendly with them and bring in some donuts sometimes. You wont believe what kind of deals donuts will get you.

Sixth, The rust should be fine as long as the subframe isn't damaged. Doesn't Northeren Illinois suck? :)

Seventh, You need a turbo exhaust manifold to mount the turbo to, Do you know how turbos work yet? and the downpipe like I mention earlier. Get a Dynomax Ultra Flo muffler. They are straight-thru (turbos like that) cheap, sound nice, and are stainless.

Eight, ask people how your local maaco is...sometimes they do a good job others they don't, it depends on the shop. The price range you stated is about right..

Ninth, You can find some slightly used BFG Drag Radials pretty cheap on ebay you don't want a really sticky tire with that weak 7.5 rear end. 5.0's have the 8.8 FYI.

Tenth, the turbo shouldn't cost more than a $100. Again check ebay, make sure to ask them if there is any shaft play or "side-to-side" play. Minimal shaft play is okay but if there is a lot don't buy it. Search "svo turbo, xr4ti turbo, thunderbird turbocoupe" they are all have the same impeller and will work for what your doing. Different car? Well thats your decision how much did you spend on the one you have?

Hope I cleared up a lot of things.
 
Whew, that was a long post.

I can't really say anything about the actual turbo swap because I've never done it, I just got a Turbo Coupe which already has a turbo engine. However, I would recommend finding a wrecked turbo car, or one that somebody is parting out, and try to get everything you need together (complete engine and maybe tranmission too).

As far as the engine rebuild goes...I just rebuilt my own engine that I put in my thunderbird, first one I've ever done. I think as long as you have a bit of an idea what you're doing, and read up about engine rebuilding, you should be ok (that's what I did). A good book to look at is the Engine Builder's Handbook by Tom Monroe, you can get it on Amazon.com. I always say experience is the best teacher...and a 2.3L is a fairly simple engine, so I think it's a good one for a first rebuild.

Also...I recommend you go over to turboford.org and look around. Do a search about the turbo swap in the FAQ area, and you should be able to find some good info there.
 
Thanks for the help NakedRaygun and Red_LX! I feared I would just get someone recommending I sell the car and buy an already turboed car. That cleared up a lot. This is a great community! (at least untill someone says the 5.0 is better and then - well you know what happens) Haha

Tenth, the turbo shouldn't cost more than a $100. Again check ebay, make sure to ask them if there is any shaft play or "side-to-side" play.
I was vauge on that part, I meant the total cost of the engine swap. Should I buy a turbo or try to use the one on the donor engine?

I'm familiar with turbofords.org also. Most of the information I found there was based towards people that want to get more performance out of the engines. That's probably why I have so many questions about what I actually need. Lots of information there though.

Initially I was hoping to get a good deal and do this for around $500 but after I started looking into it I realized that was pretty far off if I want everything done right. $1,500 is looking like my free budget for the summer that can be put to my car.

Thanks again for everything :hail2:
 
You really don't want to try buying a turbo and just putting it on your engine because the n/a engine isn't made to handle the boost. You're better off just finding a whole engine. By the way, I got an entire '84 Turbo Coupe a couple years ago for $150 and pulled the engine out of it, although it needed rebuilt. But it gives you an idea.
 
Red_LX said:
You really don't want to try buying a turbo and just putting it on your engine because the n/a engine isn't made to handle the boost. You're better off just finding a whole engine. By the way, I got an entire '84 Turbo Coupe a couple years ago for $150 and pulled the engine out of it, although it needed rebuilt. But it gives you an idea.

Sorry, mis-understanding again. I'm definitely swapping the engine. The questionable part was whether I should use the turbo that is coming with the engine if its still good or find one on ebay. NakedRaygun suggested buying one on ebay (turbo) but I think he thought I wouldn't use the one already on the turbo engine.
 
Jacob07 said:
Sorry, mis-understanding again. I'm definitely swapping the engine. The questionable part was whether I should use the turbo that is coming with the engine if its still good or find one on ebay. NakedRaygun suggested buying one on ebay (turbo) but I think he thought I wouldn't use the one already on the turbo engine.
Ok well it's simple. Make sure the blade spins freely, not rubbing the compressor and see if it will pull back and fourth. If it's really excessive get a new one if not it should be fine.
 
About the transmission - I want to switch to the T5. I have a friend who is really trying to pursuade me against it though. I've never driven a manual car before. To me it sounds more fun than driving an automatic car. I've read guides on driving with a manual transmission and the only thing that stuck out to me is that you have to push in the clutch to brake. I think it would all become instinctive after a while right?

Could someone share their oppinions with me? My friend just doesn't like a manual because of the extra work involved.

Also is this the VAM I will need? If so is it a good price? (Very last item on the page)
http://www.eville140.com/forsale2.html

Thanks
 
Jacob07 said:
About the transmission - I want to switch to the T5. I have a friend who is really trying to pursuade me against it though. I've never driven a manual car before. To me it sounds more fun than driving an automatic car. I've read guides on driving with a manual transmission and the only thing that stuck out to me is that you have to push in the clutch to brake. I think it would all become instinctive after a while right?
You don't have to push in the clutch to brake unless you are going to downshift or come to a stop. And yes, it does become instinctive quickly. You'll find yourself getting in automatic cars and pushing in the clutch to start it.
 
Thanks tealtiger93.

What should I do about my radiator? What about an intercooler? I'm not too familiar with those things. I would like a nice radiator but I don't want to pay more than $140. (better than stock) Any suggestions?
 
Isnt the Stock Radiator fine? I heard the Ranger ones are great too.

Going with the Volvo Radiator seems to be pretty popular, if you want to spend 200-300 (ebay) you can probably pick up A Izuzu NPR
 
the automatic to stick swap is not difficult and there are good direction on stinger's site . the turbo engine swap is not difficult especially with ur year car because the wiring is simpler. it doesnt matter if the manifold is rusted cuz it wont be reused. a paint job for 500 is nt worth it anything under 1500 is a waste of money.
 
Some cars in the junkyard come with brand new radiators from their previous owner from trying to fix them (sopme nice aluminum ones.) The junk yard horsepower thread on here contains which has the best ones...The A4LD sucks really bad...you would need an AOD or T5 for it to last under that power. If you find a TC donor car remember to take the rear end too. They come with an 8.8 and 3.55's or 3.73's depending on if auto or stick. It should'nt be that hard..from what I rmember it's six bolts, brakes, and disconnecting from the driveshaft. (someone correct me if I'm wrong) I"m very lucky to know a painter. If I build my own "room" (wal-mart car canopy, plastic rolls that seal, and ventilating fans) and body work and supply paint he'll do it for free. All LA3's are the same and the LB3 will work for your application too.
 
"a paint job for 500 is nt worth it anything under 1500 is a waste of money. "

I got my recent paintjob for $350, was more than worth it. I just did all the prep work myself, and made sure everything was perfect when the car went in. all they had to do was clean, prime and shoot. I admit, when I went to pick it up, I found 1 or 2 things I was unhappy about (a booger on the hood, and they never removed the GT wing to paint under, they just tried to shoot around it, causing a rough finish on the decklid and the underside of the wing) but as soon as I pointed these things out, they took it back in and fixed it at no extra cost.

Then again, the company my dad works for (which is the name I put the car under for the job) has about 30 trucks they paint every couple years...so if they make me angry, they stand to lose a lot of business, lol.

Maaco btw, in Hillsboro NJ.
 
Thanks again NakedRaygun.

I wish I had those kind of resources for painting. My mom has a friend whos husband paints cars. That will probably be my best bet. I'll just explain that I'm a 16 year old student and I can't afford too much but I'll help prep it in any way I can. With some luck maybe he will pity me. Hah

Still wondering about the intercooler. Anyone?

Also I'm still wondering about tires/wheels. Switching the rearend doesn't sound bad at all. (replace it with a 5.0's rearend) I've searched the forums as far back as a year without finding a definite answer. My wheels are not that pretty and I also want wider tires. What is a good but cheap set? I don't want to have any worries about rubbing. The tire sizes are confusing me.