A good tip if you rent a U-haul!

The Fox said:
Thanks Scott. Next time I won't sneak candy and a soda in a movie theatre. I won't try to beat speeding tickets, just pay by mail.

The amount of people to actually do this won't even make enough difference to be concerned. If you think them charging $5 for 10 miles + gas on a truck that probably gets 12mpg loaded up then you do it. I opt to STEAL .000000000000002% of the companies profit.
Why should the company pay for your gas? Of course the gas is extra! You're paying the $5 for the use of the truck, which by the way, they have to buy the trucks, service them and pay people to deal w/ the customers.

And the thing about stealing tires was really dumb. Stealing $500 worth of tires from 1 person and stealing $100 from THOUSANDS of people that work for u-haul does balance out. Use an analogy that makes some kind of sense.
So you think stealing is ok as long as it's from a business where no one person is affected?

And if your state or federal gov't raises your taxes ONE percent. EVERYONE, all 1.6billion or whatever taxpaying citizens all got robbed to pay one organization to do research on why testicles don't come in 3's.
Well, if a company loses money, they generally raise their rates - not much to do with the tax system at all. There are roughly 295 MILLION Americans, and not all of them pay taxes.

All that being said, do what you want - if you want to steal, go for it, but please don't try to rationalize it. The bad/sad part is that a lot of people actually rationalize things similar to this and make themselves believe it's ok. I wasn't even going to say anything, but this logic seems so flawed, I couldn't resist. :rlaugh:
 
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i have no problem stealing. like for my open house that i just had. my mom sent me out to get ice from meijers. i would pay for 8 but take ten. If they were so concerned, they woulda loaded them for me. Also, i went to Stracks to get the chicken. 300 pieces in 4 boxes. The lady gave me all the stickers on a bag and told me to pay up front. I just ripped one of the stickers off and ended up only paying for 3. Now whose fault is it that the cashier didnt look to see i had 4 boxes and only 3 stickers?
 
Ok the comparison with taxes is just to express how we are "charged" whatever and have no say unless we take action. Rationalizing isn't wrong unless the facts are wrong. And the fact that all americans don't pay taxes doesn't even matter with what I was trying to express and just common sense. That's like telling us some people pay more taxes than others. Yeah who cares, we already know that.

Here's some rationalizing for ya. Who does most everyone care about and look out for? Themselves. So if a company gets ripped off for something like that by maybe 0.4% of its profit then they don't really lose anything. It's like me slicing off 0.4% of your tire. You won't notice a difference, you wouldn't know I did it, whatever. Not that I'd ever vandalize someone's car. This kind of theft is so miniscule that you shouldn't be acting like a such a liberal about it. Go hug a tree and complain about how ***z should be able to get married, but only if they agree to not disconnect vehicle speed sensors.
 
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i recently reserved a 26 foot truck with a dolly cause im mpving from ny to phoenix az and the dolly for the stang....3,910 dollars for everything man i didnt think they were that expnsive and they r the cheapest i could find!
 
Scott's right. No matter how you rationalize it to make yourself feel better, it's stealing. Plain and simple. If you think the company's ripping you off on gas prices or mileage, you don't have to use their services. There are other places to rent from (of course they're going to charge close to the same price). The thing is that they tell you up front what the charges are. If you don't agree to them then don't sign the rental agreement. Better still, write an amendment to the rental agreement telling plainly that you intend to dismantle the vehicle speed sensor to give a false mileage reading. Then if everyone agrees to that, you can both sign the form and you're on your way (like this is going to happen). This is the only way to do it honestly.

How would you like it if you let a friend borrow your car to, say, go to work or school for a couple of days and he disconnects the speedo and takes a two day trip half way across the country and doesn't tell you? What you don't know won't hurt you, right? I know I would be pi$$ed! We all would. We would be pissed because this wasn't what we agreed to up front (see any correlation?). Not to mention you wouldn't know what mileage your next oil change would be due!

The argument that "if they didn't want me to do it they'd make it harder for me to do it" doesn't hold up either. That's part of the problem with our country today...this mentality. You have some common sense. F'n use it why dont' you? Just because somebody has a little faith in you by giving you the benefit of the doubt and doesn't assume you're a crook up front doesn't give you permission to be one! Ulitimately, you're responsible for yourself. The world's not responsible for you. It's like suing McDonald's for serving hot coffee when you spill it on your lap. "Well, they didn't tell me it was hot" should not be grounds for a lawsuit, but guess what, it happened. Now the coffee temperature is lowered and there's a sign to warn all dumba$$e$ that hot coffee can burn you. By not taking responsibility for our own actions and doing the right thing and instead trying to get something for nothing, we are slowly and systematically taking away our own freedoms and driving up the costs of things like insurance.

Why do you think the rental companies charge so much in the first place? Insurance, that's why. Why do you think insurance is so expensive? Because people are constantly ripping them off by making false claims, etc. It all boils down to honesty. Dishonest people cost us all money and take away our freedoms by forcing legislators to create more and more laws to discourage dishonesty. It's a vicious circle.

Bottom line. Don't be a dumba$$. Stealing is a dumba$$ thing to do.
 
lxwants12's said:
i recently reserved a 26 foot truck with a dolly cause im mpving from ny to phoenix az and the dolly for the stang....3,910 dollars for everything man i didnt think they were that expnsive and they r the cheapest i could find!

So that 15% off coupon I have would have saved you about $550 - anyone else moving?
 
What the hell is wrong with everyone here!!

What a bunch of naive responses. Ok

The government steals from you (I dont need to go into this). Your employer weasels you more or less. (You could be getting paid a lot more, have more vacation time and not work in a padded box all day. But you dont. Why? So stockholders can have a few extra cents from the "efficiency". That stockholder $$$ comes out of your pocket so your division vp can get a second porsche). Everything you buy is over priced, made by someone in another country in a sweatshop and the quality is crap more or less. Try to return something. haha, you lose. The return policies are all weasel scams. Autozone told me to f-off yesterday trying to get out of fulfilling warranty on a rack I bought 1 week ago (with warranty charge I might add)!! Everybody lies to one another and takes as much as they can think they can get away with. This I learned by lending my hand to help people in my college days. You give a hand and they cut your arm off. Then they get mad that you arent helping them more.

In a world like this, play the system. The system is playing you. All this high and mighty talk is nonsense. Good for you bro, pump that cash out of uhaul. Or poor uhaul. 50 cents a mile?!?!? 4 grand for a truck and dolly?!? I could BUY a truck and dolly for that much. Thats not being fair to us. So we'll be not fair to them right back. Survival of the fittest homie.
 
This has turned into an interesting thread.
I am not a religious person. And I am the farthest thing from a tree hugging liberal. I own my own business, love to fish and hunt and I drive a gas guzzling Ford Expedition.
I am 45 years old with a wife and two young boys.
Everyday I work to instill high ethical standards in the minds of my children.
I want them to grow up believing that if one wants something that he/she
must work for it. There is no free lunch. Do onto others as you would have them do onto you. And honestly is always the best policy.
In my heart I honestly believe that the world would be a better place
if everyone felt the same way.
Scott
 
Crazypete,
If everyone lived by your credo our society would be like a pack of wild animals.
I also have to respond to your comments about businesses "weaseling" its employees. In America you are not forced to work anyplace that you do not want to work. If you are not treated fairly (compensation,vacation time etc)
then you should look for work elsewhere. To whine about how you are being cheated (and not leave) makes one look foolish.
Look for a job where the employer cares about its employees. Find a job that you can learn valuable skills in order to advance your career. Go back to school. This is the way to "get ahead" in life.
Scott
 
No wonder the country/planet is in the shape it's in with the lack of integrity displayed by many posts in this column. Lord knows if you'll steal this easily -- and worse yet, actually think it's ok to do so -- I'll have to make note of who never to do business with. If you'll steal from others and congratulate each other for doing so, you'll certainly have no qualms about stealing from me.

This one should've been in talk anyway - I hope the moderators shut it down. It's a simple disgrace -- but not unexpected given the history of some your postings.
 
OK, you know the penny jar at the 7-11? "The one for the handicapped kids?" no, not that one, the pennies for everyone. Thats what we're doing, only we're doing it from a much bigger jar and we're doing it a couple hundred thousand times, so it's not wrong!" INITECH IS WRONG! :damnit:
 
steemin said:
Crazypete,
If everyone lived by your credo our society would be like a pack of wild animals.
I also have to respond to your comments about businesses "weaseling" its employees. In America you are not forced to work anyplace that you do not want to work. If you are not treated fairly (compensation,vacation time etc)
then you should look for work elsewhere. To whine about how you are being cheated (and not leave) makes one look foolish.
Look for a job where the employer cares about its employees. Find a job that you can learn valuable skills in order to advance your career. Go back to school. This is the way to "get ahead" in life.
Scott

Actually, I did finish school and I happen to work for an excellent employer that does care. Alas, my friends and family are less lucky and I see them suffer for it. You cannot pick up and leave your job because there are little to no jobs out there right now, at least in the technical fields. You realistically wont choose to "starve", now would you? You have to take what you can get.

I'm not saying that we should act like a pack of wild animals. I'm saying society is already partially this way. I'm saying that from experience. I know someone who was very trusting and got burned over and over again by "weasels" who took advantage of that. I'd love to be able to trust the world but it's hard to do that when someone who was your friend through highschool breaks into your house and steals your laptop. That really changes your perspective on life.
 
Pete - you couldn't miss the point any further if you intentionally tried. If society is as you describe it, it got that way because people (like you and many others in the this thread - by your own admissions) didn't have the integrity to stand up and do the right thing REGARDLESS of the circumstances. True integrity isn't contingent on anything at all. You simply choose to do the right thing. Just because someone else has made a poor choice is simply not an acceptable reason for someone else to join suit. If you don't like the rate someone is charging for their service - you don't have to do business with them. Better yet - if you're so certain they're ripping eveyone off -- then you ought be able to start a competitive business that would attract business like your own. If you're correct in your assessment that they're charging WAY too much, your competing business will be a raging success. Go ahead. Give it a try.

The 'crazy' part of crazypete is making more sense than ever.
 
It is stealing, but its a grey area, given its not right, but who cares? Lets say 1% of everyone who uses u-haul scams them out of miles put on their vehicles, I couldnt imagine this amounting to even 10% of what is lost a year in just blatant accounting errors. Did you know best buy loses more a year in accounting erros than all of lost and stolen merchandise added together?
 
Crazypete,
I never said one should be trusting. Just read the posts on this thread.
So you were blown away by your friend stealing from you?
And now you think it is okay to steal because someone abused your trust?
Its a viscous circle. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

Scorcher:
So if you were foolish enough to leave your car unlocked and someone opened your door and stole all your C.D.'s that would be okay. After all you weren't smart enough to lock your doors. I am sure you would accept your losses without any bitterness..

Scott
 
aaaah, but how can one be honest if surrounded by those who are more than happy to greatly take advantage of honesty? I'm not being devils advocate unfortunatley as I speak (once again unfortunatley) from personal experience.

What if there is no alternative? All the posts seem to say you can leave one business for another, choose which company you work for(I love my workplace BTW). But you cant. ALL the parts stores do about the same thing. I looked at rates for moving from boston to portland, OR and all the frieght companies charge about the same. Every burger place charges $1.50 for a dinky little hamburger around here. 20 cents of material for $2. All the competitors do about the same so in the end, it's the consumer that looses. Where will you go?

The system is designed to take advantage of the fact that nobody knows where the VSS is. HAHA they say. I'm not advocating dishonesty. Stealing from your friends is just plain inexcusable. Stealing from work is plain dumb. Stealing from your neighbors is super inexcusable and dumb. Stealing from a company that would be quite happy to rip you off....sure, why not? The employees probably could care less, the company wont even notice. You're not even totally stealing, you ARE paying them after all to rent the truck. You are using your own gas to drive the truck. Whats gonna happen? The truck falls apart cause there's 300 miles late for an oilchange? No.... They probably stretch the oilchanges to the max to save money. I know the uhauls around here look pretty distressed. It's not like the standards are that high to begin with and this action would result in a great drop in the quality of the next guys move with that truck. This is simply a way of being at the top of the consumer food chain.
 
It's pretty simple really. Unplugging the sensor to cheat U-Haul out of what they would have charged you is wrong and you are defrauding/stealing from them. It's that simple. Whether you can rationalize that in your head as not so wrong or whatever is up to you and how you sleep at night.

Still, I did get a good chuckle out of this post when I first read it and I definately applaud the inventiveness of the original poster. I never would have thought to do that.