stupid rice burners

[itsaMustangtoo]

Ummm, last time I checked parts for a Mustang II weren't exactly jumping out of a catalog either.

But , there are some parts in some catalogs. I think this may be getting a little off topic so I am going to call it quits for now. ( have some chinese made electric fans to install) And no Wart, I am not getting into any pissing matches. I was just getting a little riled the way things were going. I guess it is here to stay ( sadly) It just makes me sad to see ,that eventually, that is all my sons will be able to get into ( car wise) especially with the price of 60-70's musclecars going out of sight.Unless there are some fox body 5.0's left around.

 

[tormenting5.0]

I have to agree that most "ricers" have a stock car with only body mods. They drive around looking to start crap. Most of them are 17-19+ kids with nothing to do. They have no respect for others, not even thierselfs. It always pisses me off when they pull up to me while I'm in my stang minding my own. While most of the local "ricers" don't say anything any more; simple fact they found out what its like to only see my rear end. The kids that come to the shore never quit. Now not all imports are ricers, I'll hand it to the ones that build a true fast car. Now I've come across some mustang "ricers" too. The ones that have a v6 and clone as a gt, give me a break. Thats like me saying my car is a cobra, when its not. It may look like a 93 cobra, because of the rims and hood. But everything GT is highlited, I don't mind anyone changing the look of thier car. Just don't disrespect other because they don't run with the same pack.

 

[78Mach1]

I think you'll find we aren't going to sell them a whole lot of anything. China is becoming the manufacturing center of hte World and I suspect if they want something they'll build it themselves.

I think you'll find the Chinese worker isn't paid a whole lot, I suspect they won't be buying a whole lot of anything from anyone including themselves.

Boy did you hit the nail on the head there. The company I work for has a plant in China as well, set it up and has been running now for about 2 years. We had one of thier plants Engineers over here so they could see how things run, and he was here for 2 months. He had a whopping $500 FOR THOSE 2 MONTHS- his SALARY, How many engineers do you know that work for $250 a week, let alone a month I did get to go over there for a month to help train some of thier workers on the presses and it was an expierince to say the least. All the workers live on the property- plant is in one area, housing in another. You could live like a king over there making our minimum wage...

 

[Wart]

And no Wart, I am not getting into any pissing matches. I was just getting a little riled the way things were going.

Just because you didn't have a full bladder and shoot a hard yellow stream doesn't mean it wasn't a pissing contest.



Lighten up.

 

[Wart]

Boy did you hit the nail on the head there. The company I work for has a plant in China as well, set it up and has been running now for about 2 years. ......

Not that long ago there was a plant local to here where the American workers trained Chinese workers how to do the American Workers job, operate machinery, ect. .

After the Chinese workers went back to China the American workers were given the option of starting their lay off/ termination then, or continue getting a regular check for a few more weeks by packing and shipping the plant to China.

Wall Street

{edit} I've heard the talking head economists state how the shift in world econ will raise other countries standard of living and how these countries will be able to afford American made products. They make it sound like every house will have a computer and every garage a car.

In reality it's like Jim said, the workers live in Company Towns. All you have to do to understand what that means is to look to American History. Or recall the song 16 Tons.

 

[Wart]

I have to

At first glance I thought your avitar was Bill the Cat doing Opus ....

 

[a351Must2]

<---- another daily driven Mitsubishi Eclipse here too...

but 25mpg and 270hp plus it's quiet inside, doesn't feel cheaply made, and handles better than I've ever been able to make a II handle.

 

[Eos]

haha mines like 140 hp and 17.7 in the quarter! lol

 

[Blue Thunder]

My Concorde was manufactured from 90% American parts, in America. It currently has 129,000 miles on it, weighs 3600 pounds, has a 220hp 3.5L, and gets about 27mpg. It still runs perfectly, handles nicely for a large car, has 4 wheel discs, and has enough room inside to comfortably fit someone that's 6'5", (An aspect which the japanese imports completely lack)

During the course of my work days, I see a lot of wrecks, and I have to climb inside cars when I tow them.(except for the ones filled with blood and/or brain chunks, of course) The japanese imports generally sustain more severe impact damage than the Domestic vehicles, and the imports are fine for smaller people to sit in, but I sometimes get stuck in them, and have to weasle my way back out. I couldnt stand driving one of those go-carts around all day. I'd rather ride a bicycle, at least there's more room.

 

[itsaMustangtoo]

<---- another daily driven Mitsubishi Eclipse here too...

but 25mpg and 270hp plus it's quiet inside, doesn't feel cheaply made, and handles better than I've ever been able to make a II handle.

First off--quiet inside ? and doesn't feel cheaply made? As compared to what ? A yugo ? Secondly-- handles better than your II. Have you even made an attempt to improve over your II's 30 yr old suspension technology ? My Cobra clone has cut fox springs on the front/tubular control arms,ladder bars and coil overs in the rear( without a sway bar!) sits about 2 inches lower and rides on 225/55/r16" tires the whole way around. It handles exceptionally well . As far as the imports go people lump them as being nice ,but they fail to compare. Case in point- my younger brother has had about 6 toyota 4 runners. He said he loved em. So when I got my new sport trac he went out and bought toyota's version ( 4 door pickup ) the tecuhmseh I believe. ha ha. What a joke. He moved to Washington state so I drove out with him. I THOUGHT I WOULD DIE! The seats were so small and uncomfortable I kept getting leg cramps.Plus I thought I was going to have to push it up the rockies! When he moved back he had another 4 runner I kept telling him how awful the seating and position was. To make a long story short he bought a silverado pickup after we got back, He drove it for a while and we went to the beach for a week( he said we could take the 4 runner)( gas mileage) On the way down and back, he could not get over how uncomfortable he was in the seats Now he has a pickup and a tahoe--no toyotas Now I know this might be comparing apples to oranges,but bottom line is I will pay the extra gas money for comfort. That is why I drive a new F-150 and the wife a Lincoln LS . Both quiet inside and when you shut the doors, they feel like something. With all that said, I value my life over gas mileage as well. I would rather be in a collision with the Lincoln LS than I would a camry,accord or eclipse. Maybe that is why they call it an eclipse,cause you obviously cannot see the forest for the trees.

 

[Eos]

Actually I find my Eclipse very comfortable and the handling isn't bad on it either. The ride is rather bumpy because it has lowering springs and needs the swaybar fixed but thats all. And the interior is very nice in it. I drive an 05 honda civic and it had more comfortable seats then all the american econo cars I test drove. Maybe upper level american cars are nice, but their econo boxes are crap compared to the imports.

 

[Mustangj]

I have owned every car in the alphabet from Acura to Volkswagon so far. (Looking into Volvo so I can say I did it all). [Excluding the high buck stuff] Each car manufacture excels at certain things. They are all products that have an eight year life cycle. Drive what you like, they are all crap. One day they will all end up at the wrecking yard where I will have to take them apart......

My favorites:

Ford: Affordable euro stylle and performance. (A BMW for the working person).

Lincoln: A Ford only better

Mazda/Toyota/Honda/Mitz: Rock solid reliable with lots of parts bin interchangeability for car guys to exploit.

GM: Ultra High tech for low buck (Eco-tech, North Star, LS1) Always first to mass market new technolgy (On-Star,Satilite radio, coil on plug ect.)

Suzuki/Volvo/Suburu/VW: They build them their way!
(different for the sake of being different)

 

[vetwhat]

I also drive an import daily. It's a '93 honda del sol. gets average 35 mpg. handles great and dead reliable and pennies to own. I've put 170k miles on it with regular maintenance and the only major repair was a clutch last summer. I really like the little car but in all honesty it gets a little scary when these big SUVs pull up alongside and I'm looking at the brake caliper ON THE OTHER SIDE when I turn my head.

My point is that while its a great fun little matchbox it's not a car I'd want to have a collision in. It held up well hitting a dog at 35mph. However I've hit a full grown deer at 50mph in my II and he fell into the windshield, over the roof to the ground only to run away. I'm glad my II has real bumpers. Ever looked at them? They are made of REAL steel. I removed the bumper from the honda to find a piece of tin and styrofoam. I'd be dead if I were driving that car instead when that deer & I met. i'm seriously considering getting another USA car.

 

[Eos]

I have owned every car in the alphabet from Acura to Volkswagon so far. (Looking into Volvo so I can say I did it all). [Excluding the high buck stuff] Each car manufacture excels at certain things. They are all products that have an eight year life cycle. Drive what you like, they are all crap. One day they will all end up at the wrecking yard where I will have to take them apart......

My favorites:

Ford: Affordable euro stylle and performance. (A BMW for the working person).

Lincoln: A Ford only better

Mazda/Toyota/Honda/Mitz: Rock solid reliable with lots of parts bin interchangeability for car guys to exploit.

GM: Ultra High tech for low buck (Eco-tech, North Star, LS1) Always first to mass market new technolgy (On-Star,Satilite radio, coil on plug ect.)

Suzuki/Volvo/Suburu/VW: They build them their way!
(different for the sake of being different)

I'm going to have to disagree with you on the Mitsu, they are not reliable! They are crap! I am crossing my fingers I don't have anymore problems til I get it paid off. The damn check engine light won't go off.

 

[Eos]

I also drive an import daily. It's a '93 honda del sol. gets average 35 mpg. handles great and dead reliable and pennies to own. I've put 170k miles on it with regular maintenance and the only major repair was a clutch last summer. I really like the little car but in all honesty it gets a little scary when these big SUVs pull up alongside and I'm looking at the brake caliper ON THE OTHER SIDE when I turn my head.

My point is that while its a great fun little matchbox it's not a car I'd want to have a collision in. It held up well hitting a dog at 35mph. However I've hit a full grown deer at 50mph in my II and he fell into the windshield, over the roof to the ground only to run away. I'm glad my II has real bumpers. Ever looked at them? They are made of REAL steel. I removed the bumper from the honda to find a piece of tin and styrofoam. I'd be dead if I were driving that car instead when that deer & I met. i'm seriously considering getting another USA car.

I rearended a car going about 15 mph in the ecilpse. I actually tried to stop and had slammed on my brakes and ended up skidding into them because I didn't get stopped in time. There was no damage at all done to my car or the other car which was a mazda mx3. So the eclipse was great in an accident really. Not a dent or scratch.

 

[Mustangj]

I dismantle cars at a wrecker that specializes in very late model cars. I would have to say that the late model *** cars are much safer then say ten year old ones. I often do Tower/Cowl/Quarter cuts and The *** cars are made of much thinner metal. I have noticed lately that 2003 to present american cars are also getting very thin. I suppose all the crumpling prevents the passengers from getting bent With a 1959 Cadillac they used to just hose out the driver then re-chrome the bumper and sell it to the next dude

 

[vetwhat]

I would have to agree with you about the thin sheetmetal, my honda will dent if you look at it hard. I saw one of these del sol's in the local pic-ur-part with a front dent. That dent reached all the way to the tail lights. that was the only way I recognized it as the same make of car. couldn't even open the trunk.


Quote; I would have to say that the late model *** cars are much safer then say ten year old ones. I often do Tower/Cowl/Quarter cuts and The *** cars are made of much thinner metal. I have noticed lately that 2003 to present american cars are also getting very thin.

 

[Maxime]

I drive a stock looking 2000 Civic SiR. It's a great daily driver and it's a nice sleeper too.

 

[Blue Thunder]

If you really want a sleeper, get a diesel Super Duty pickup and add a few things, like a larger turbo, exhaust, chip and full-time propane injection. There's 8000 lb. F-350s roaming the streets with stock longblocks running 12s. (Mine went low 15s with just exhaust, chip and K&N filter)

If the ricer can out-accelerate the truck that's towing your race car, then maybe they're worthy to race the car that's on the trailer. Otherwise, heh, shoo fly.

On the other hand, the rice bikes are pretty quick, especially the suzuki gsxr, they're about as fast as my II on the street.

 

[dmoody]

New cars are definitely made with thinner sheetmetal but better engineering. Some cars in the 50's weigh as much as a Hummer H2. Muscle cars of the 60's were lightweight especially when you compare them to many of the other models being produced at the time (Galaxies, Fairlanes, Thunderbirds, etc).

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