Supercharging V8 Mustang GT
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my vortech supercharger is handling everything just fine..Yes they will attempt to void the powertrain warranty when they see it, but I have friends that work at some ford dealerships so they "Overlook " it =).
crash
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2002fordf150 = Ford would be only so happy to void your warrenty.. thats why its not a bad ideal to get the ATI procharger as crash stated.. its intercooled which will help things from not blowing up, also no tapping into the oil pan. You can PM crash and he can set you up and get you a great price.. I have been rolling around with mine and "if" something ever did happen I can put it back to stock in a few hours.. first drive your car for a few thosand miles to make sure nothing is bad from the factory then pop it in and play ;-)
crash
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lostsoul said:
Hell, I only had 8 hours in labor time and watched 1.5 movies and had a few stogiie breaks in the Austin heat. Very nice indeed. Install can even be handled by a NOVICE! OK, YES. It IS retarded fast... I will have data soon.
Removal? About two hours, but let me tell you, a tapped oil pan is a major hurdle to get over at the dealership. Stick to ONLY self-contained and intercooled systems.
I can now say my Procharged '05 4.6 5-Speed is just WICKED...
While in principal Procharger puts out a great idea, but their self contained blowers leak something terrible. I'm sure not all of them leak, but since I've experienced it first hand and read numerous others leak I thought I would say something. It seems to be a hit or miss and you need to know that up front so you can make a informative decision.
Now on the positive side the 05 kit has alot of positives, 8 rib setup, STD rotation blower, air to air intercooler( easier installation over air to water), etc.. The self contained part is a positive also if yours doesn't leak.
Thanks Mike
Now on the positive side the 05 kit has alot of positives, 8 rib setup, STD rotation blower, air to air intercooler( easier installation over air to water), etc.. The self contained part is a positive also if yours doesn't leak.
Thanks Mike
crash
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Sorry, long post...
We do Prochargers double digits in a year (37-1 over all other blowers), and support every install. We have PERSONALLY OWNed 2 P-1SCs and one D-1SC on my F-150s. My partner Mark has run the same P-1SC on two trucks for a matter of years before we went turbocharger.
We saw seepage, but no leaks unless the drain plug was not checked before install (YES cover your ass there BEFORE you install). The transmission is a machined fit, so this can be expected. Seepage means just that, resulting in a mist on the compressor over time, LEAKS mean draining the transmission and having to add oil prematurely. IF this occurs, you will notice a green tint to the oil. The volute could be sealed to the transmission with nothing but an Allen wrench, but this has not been necessary.
The GT kit comes with new crankase evacuation, and I will report any oil scavenging and post the fix IF I find any oil in the inlet ($2). A check valve on the PCV is normally in order on the older kits, and I will verify after a trip today. On this one, the you REMOVE the stock PCV hoses, they CAP the driver side vent, and the PCV is now a function of the inlet duct ONLY. You get constant CC evacuation ANYtime the engine is running. I say this because often CC oil is ingested at the inlet of the blower.
05 GT and F-150s... P-1SC-1. Different animal... BUT same basic construction as the D-1SC. The P-1SC-1 has the alternating STRAIGHT cut and HELIX cut on the impeller, which gives you a hard hit off idle (Straight cut blades) and another kick in the pants at about (HELIXED blades). This is more efficient on the top end than the P-1SC (ALL straight cut impeller for better off idle and midrange power. The 3 core IC FULL boost up to 15 PSI yeilds ambient charge temps (Dyno proven).
This and the 04-06 F-150 systems are COMPLETELY re-engineered, and NOT ONE piece is less than state of the art. A 5-8 hour install. It also includes a new fan, shroud, coolant reservoir, Predator, and 39# injectors. The best system I have seen them build! The best part? BLOW THRU MAF (The BOV came with a filter/muffler, but OOPS, left that off! Oh, and no trips to the parts store on this one, not even for a vacuum T!
Now, as for POWER... I no longer feel like I was born too late. This thing (BASE 9 PSI kit, custom SCT TUNE) is just like the 60s. In first at a 10 roll, you HAVE to modulate the LOUD PEDAL. If you don't, it stands up about a foot (Just like the good old days), and incinerates the tires... in 1st (1st is almost useless for traction), 2nd, and 3rd... Yeilding a yelp from the tires in 4th. IT IS ON just as soon as you hear the bypass close... If high 11s is not enough for you, I can get you 12 PSI or an 800 HP RACE setup. 3 core air to air IC is standard. Both the compressor and the IC can be upgraded as you build... Up to 30 PSI.
If you roll into the LOUD PEDAL, as soon as the bypass closes, it pins me in the seat, collapses the lumbar support, and then my head hits the roof!
It has perfect idle and drivability, but definitely loses it's manners when you go WFO!
I will get video and hopefully get to the track within the next couple of weeks.
We do Prochargers double digits in a year (37-1 over all other blowers), and support every install. We have PERSONALLY OWNed 2 P-1SCs and one D-1SC on my F-150s. My partner Mark has run the same P-1SC on two trucks for a matter of years before we went turbocharger.
We saw seepage, but no leaks unless the drain plug was not checked before install (YES cover your ass there BEFORE you install). The transmission is a machined fit, so this can be expected. Seepage means just that, resulting in a mist on the compressor over time, LEAKS mean draining the transmission and having to add oil prematurely. IF this occurs, you will notice a green tint to the oil. The volute could be sealed to the transmission with nothing but an Allen wrench, but this has not been necessary.
The GT kit comes with new crankase evacuation, and I will report any oil scavenging and post the fix IF I find any oil in the inlet ($2). A check valve on the PCV is normally in order on the older kits, and I will verify after a trip today. On this one, the you REMOVE the stock PCV hoses, they CAP the driver side vent, and the PCV is now a function of the inlet duct ONLY. You get constant CC evacuation ANYtime the engine is running. I say this because often CC oil is ingested at the inlet of the blower.
05 GT and F-150s... P-1SC-1. Different animal... BUT same basic construction as the D-1SC. The P-1SC-1 has the alternating STRAIGHT cut and HELIX cut on the impeller, which gives you a hard hit off idle (Straight cut blades) and another kick in the pants at about (HELIXED blades). This is more efficient on the top end than the P-1SC (ALL straight cut impeller for better off idle and midrange power. The 3 core IC FULL boost up to 15 PSI yeilds ambient charge temps (Dyno proven).
This and the 04-06 F-150 systems are COMPLETELY re-engineered, and NOT ONE piece is less than state of the art. A 5-8 hour install. It also includes a new fan, shroud, coolant reservoir, Predator, and 39# injectors. The best system I have seen them build! The best part? BLOW THRU MAF (The BOV came with a filter/muffler, but OOPS, left that off! Oh, and no trips to the parts store on this one, not even for a vacuum T!
Now, as for POWER... I no longer feel like I was born too late. This thing (BASE 9 PSI kit, custom SCT TUNE) is just like the 60s. In first at a 10 roll, you HAVE to modulate the LOUD PEDAL. If you don't, it stands up about a foot (Just like the good old days), and incinerates the tires... in 1st (1st is almost useless for traction), 2nd, and 3rd... Yeilding a yelp from the tires in 4th. IT IS ON just as soon as you hear the bypass close... If high 11s is not enough for you, I can get you 12 PSI or an 800 HP RACE setup. 3 core air to air IC is standard. Both the compressor and the IC can be upgraded as you build... Up to 30 PSI.
If you roll into the LOUD PEDAL, as soon as the bypass closes, it pins me in the seat, collapses the lumbar support, and then my head hits the roof!
It has perfect idle and drivability, but definitely loses it's manners when you go WFO!
I will get video and hopefully get to the track within the next couple of weeks.
crash
Founding Member
2002fordf150 said:
YES. Modifying the oiling system in ANY way will be cause for denial of a warranty claim. This means oil coolers too. We already have one, and universal aftermarket coolers will not fit. Besides, you are just using up your engine oil, and setting yourself up for leaks. Install time is higher as well.
You do not want to tap the oil pan, or use a non-intercooled kit (Vortech's cost a grand more for a claimed additional 40 HP...? This means Saleen or Procharger are the best bang for the buck, and are heavy hitters that are readily avalilable.
We will just have to wait and see about reliability, but I know Procharger DID put a race setup on one (No documentation on this test mule), and while they went through 2 clutches, 3rd gear blocker ring, the engine can take some abuse! I would let the boost do the work though, and use street tires so they break loose before hard parts! Time will tell.
Crash, what exactly is wrong with tapping the oil pan (other than warranty?).Regardless unless you know someone at ford (which I do) and figure you guys do to they are going to attempt to void a warranty regardless which kit is or WAS on a vehicle.I personally have the NON I/C kit from vortech and so far it is seemless.Intake temps,A/F in check with the tune,temp guage on dash is always in the middle (regardless of how I romp on it) and it was a very nice install.Now, I will be adding the aftercooler to my kit because Vortech is sending it to me for helping them with their show seasson as a "thank you", but I generally see 6-7psi with my current kit and pulled 430 on the dyno at the tire.Believe me I am not doubting your knowledge of the procharger kit at all as I like it alot as well, but it does seem to me that for a kit that retails under $4k the standard vortech kit is a winner too
crash said:
Boy I hate to get in any argument anymore as people are going to believe what they want. If one person says it it's the truth and thats that. Thats why I try to let people know that they may have problems instead of telling them they will, now. However I do have to argue this one point....
A leak is a leak. Seepage is a leak no matter how you look at it. Saying it should be expected is ridiculous. What would you do if Ford said some oil "seepage" is okay and to be expected on your brand new car? See my point?
I've personally had the chance to own most power adders and the two that leaked were my Procharger and a Kenne Bell I had for the old 86-93 5.0's.The Kenne Bell had a very small leak but it was there. The Procharger leaked at the seal which was fixed,and then the case that was never fixed. I've owned several Vortechs and never had a problem with the case leaking. I did however kink a return line once on a A trim and it caused the front seal to leak. Yes I've owned and built turbo cars too (93 Ranger w 337 and twins) along with my current Lightning ( KB,built motor,etc. soon to be turbocharged). Obviously I've been doing this for sometime and I felt that letting someone know before hand that they might have a problem in this area was important. Especially since it seems to be common (read other forums, corral.net, dfwstangs.com,etc.).
Sad thing is the Procharger kit still has more benifits than the others. As of this writing I'm still considering playing Russian roulette and trying them again. Having the 8 rib setup from the get go is huge and with the option of jumping to a D1 and slapping a cog drive on it being just a few turns away. It's just easier to grow with their kit. Thats the biggest drawback to the Vortech and Paxton kits. They both offer bigger blowers but with a 6 rib belt and I just went down that road with the Procharger mentioned above and that s-cks !! If you never grow or drop pulley sizes you will be fine, however build that motor and try and speed that baby up and you'll most definitely have problems with belt slip. Decisions, decisions........
Oh and theres nothing wrong with tapping the pan. Most of your turbo kits tap the pan and you never hear anything about that?? And do you really think you're going to take the blower off everytime you go to the Dealer? They will catch you with it on at some point and if you're trying to make a claim that the clutch burned up on it's on or the rod just fell out, etc.. after you've abused your car with the supercharger then you are a sorry individual and make it harder on the rest of the people who have legitimate claims. If you can't pay then don't play or at least thats the way I look at it. The best policy is honesty and a good relationship with your Dealer
So if you're looking at a Vortech/Paxton don't pass it by for this reason.Thanks Mike
crash
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so now i miss the local fun ford weekend 
Taking a chance
They always say oh yeah that is fine. But when it comes to crunch time no coverage. also do your research 5-7 psi on stock bottomend is ok 10 psi is pushing it anything more and your looking for trouble. Injectors along with other key components you need to look into so will not blow your motor.
They always say oh yeah that is fine. But when it comes to crunch time no coverage. also do your research 5-7 psi on stock bottomend is ok 10 psi is pushing it anything more and your looking for trouble. Injectors along with other key components you need to look into so will not blow your motor.
XLeatherNeck
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Not the entire warrenty but a dealer may not cover a specific issue if the failure was related to your mod.2002fordf150 said:
No they do not but some are having success with Saleen if the dealer is a Saleen dealer.2002fordf150 said:
Yes but it has it's limits but it's an unknown yet. Search the internet forums and you will get varied answers. The general consensus is that safe = 400-450 rwhp, but I have yet to see hard facts to back it up. Only time and money will tell what these stock engines can do.2002fordf150 said:
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