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i always thought it was the price, the mustang was so affordable, and easy to fix up, and the f-bodys were expensive, not as reliable, and costed a fortune to fix up
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Amazing how "off the showroom floor" the GM's have almost always taken the Stangs (cept I think in 85/86, with the GT's out blasting the IROC) but yet everybody still loves the stangs :hails:SuperDust22 said:
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one of the rumors people often forget is the loans gm would have to pay back to the canadian government. canada gave gm several low/no interest loans to keep the plant in st. theresa open. i read something on this a while back, but can't remember all the details. maybe someone will google it and enlighten us. the f-body did not just have good engines, but the suspension designs are light years ahead of mustangs--still to this day.
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The Mustang, V6's and GT's, were always (at least thru the 90's and up to '02) at least a couple grand cheaper than a similar V6 Camaro/Firebird or Z28/Formula/Trans Am. Probably more like 5-8k cheaper than a Formula or T/A.
Mustangs were just more appealing to the general car buyer...and even after the 5th gen Camaro is released, I have no doubt the Mustang will still outsell it easily. That's just the way it is and I honestly don't think there's anything that GM can do about it either...
Couple grand more for a Corvette? The C5 was roughly twice the price as a Z28/Formula and between 15-20k more than a loaded SS, WS.6 or Firehawk.
Dunno what this has to do with the Mustang outselling the F-body?
The government loan (30yr/300mil) to GM was way back in 1987...before the Ste. Therese plant even started producing the F-bodies. I doubt anyone outside of GM, the Canadian government or the CAW knows the actual details of that loan or the agreements that went with it or after it.
Mustangs were just more appealing to the general car buyer...and even after the 5th gen Camaro is released, I have no doubt the Mustang will still outsell it easily. That's just the way it is and I honestly don't think there's anything that GM can do about it either...
Couple grand more for a Corvette? The C5 was roughly twice the price as a Z28/Formula and between 15-20k more than a loaded SS, WS.6 or Firehawk.
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Dunno what this has to do with the Mustang outselling the F-body?
The government loan (30yr/300mil) to GM was way back in 1987...before the Ste. Therese plant even started producing the F-bodies. I doubt anyone outside of GM, the Canadian government or the CAW knows the actual details of that loan or the agreements that went with it or after it.
did they stop making the f-body cuz it was getting outsold? or is a mass conspiracy by gm?02LS1 said:
gm was supposed to produce cars at that plant until the end of the loan(2017). it was also stipulated that if gm makes a camaro it has to be made at st therese. (pure theory)so gm closes the plant after undermarketing a good car and citing poor sales as the reason. gm then tears down the plant before the end of the contract and repays the loan in full after selling the bare land. the camaro name is then assembled at the holden plant in australia with the other soon to be released zeta body cars. thus doing so gm avoids a large lawsuit from the caw and consolidates assy of around 5 cars into 1 plant making more money off each of those five cars sold.camaro details from popular hot rodding
bimmertech said:did they stop making the f-body cuz it was getting outsold? or is a mass conspiracy by gm?
camaro details from popular hot rodding
There were a number of reasons why the F-body's production ended after '02...and yes, sales or lack thereof was one of those reasons (at least GM said it was). Guy McCoy, the guy who wrote that article, also posted on cz28.com that GM's agreement to build the F-twins at Ste. Therese was only thru 2001...not 2002, not 2017...so who knows? Not like the details are that important anyway...the plant is gone.
GM will not be building the 5th gen in Australia.
Zeta was just a name (for GM NA) and it's dead or at least put on hold...it wasn't GM North America architecture anyway. Zeta was the GM NA name for the Holden VE platform (which is still a go).
The 5th gen will be built on the Sigma platform, Sigma Lite to be exact (99.9% sure about that)...we should find out pretty soon.
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02LS1 said:
How are you getting 15-20K more? C5 was around 40-41K and the SS and WS6 were around 33-35K. I said a few grand, not a couple.
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pleasehelp said:
Yeah, about 41k for a base C5 (0 options)...add a few options and it wasn't hard to get one up to 45-46k, maybe even a little more.
A pretty much loaded SS (coupe, not 'vert) could be had for around 29-30k, WS.6 for 31-32k and a Firehawk for 33-35k...so maybe it's more like 12-17k, depending on the options for the C5 and what F-body. Even comparing the most expensive F-body to a base C5 is still more than a few grand (6k is more than a few IMO).
bimmertech, they'll build it...but I dunno about soon. We should see something at the '06 NAIAS but I doubt it'll see production before '08-'09. If it looks good and has an LS2...I can wait.
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Also, the way I understand it, is that no matter what happens with the Camaro they will NOT be bringing back the Firebird.
Wonder if that's true.
Wonder if that's true.
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