if you had a couple of thousand to spend on performance mods what would it be??
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QDRHRSE
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Novi 1000 (.....or the smaller Vortech)!!!! We recently had a long a$$ thread about this. A lot of guys were talking about heads/cam/intake but for 2k there nothing better than a blower. You can get a Novi 1000 and a matching power pipe and it will give you an honest 8lbs of boost and 80-100hp at the wheels. The greatest thing about is that when its time to sell the car you can recover 70-100% of the blower cost, or, if you're one of those "I'll never sell my Mustang" guys, you can always take the blower off. By the way, you can buy that blower and make that extra hp with nothing else and any improvement you make after that will only enhance the blowers performance. Nitrous is an option too but I've learned that n20 has way more cons than pros.
QDRHRSE
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Sorry- I don't mean to post-jack but:
dwhiskie-
I'm noticing that your car is set up similar to mine. Where do you have your base timing and fuel pressure? Do you use an FMU? How is the Track Heat working for you? Judging by your dyno numbers its a good solid combo. I'm making some small changes myself.....
dwhiskie-
I'm noticing that your car is set up similar to mine. Where do you have your base timing and fuel pressure? Do you use an FMU? How is the Track Heat working for you? Judging by your dyno numbers its a good solid combo. I'm making some small changes myself.....
If one is to get a blower you have to factor in the other upgrades as well. It isn't just a blower cost. You need to get bigger injectors ($200+), bigger fuel pump ($100), and a tune ($500). So it is up too you.
If you get a supercharger (with the above added cost too the supercharger itself) if you ever were to add h/c/i later you will have to remove the supercharger sytsem completely.
With a supercharger you are also adding 50 lbs to your front end. If you get a h/c/i package you will be losing 50lbs off your front end (aluminum heads). Plus your engine bay is cleaner and less rotational parts to go wrong.
Somethings to consider...
If you get a supercharger (with the above added cost too the supercharger itself) if you ever were to add h/c/i later you will have to remove the supercharger sytsem completely.
With a supercharger you are also adding 50 lbs to your front end. If you get a h/c/i package you will be losing 50lbs off your front end (aluminum heads). Plus your engine bay is cleaner and less rotational parts to go wrong.
Somethings to consider...
QDRHRSE
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BS...you do not need bigger injectors. That's what an FMU is for-the stock injectors could probably make 300hp. You do not need a tune either. A stock tune with 10 degrees of timing will work fine on a stock motor with a small blower. You're gonna have to do better than that. Wow...50lbs for 80 to 100hp....hmmm....messy engine compartment that is under the hood which is closed when you drive....80 to 100hp... interesting trade. Yeah, I'll tell you- everytime I open the hood my friends tell me "Damn Tom, That blower sure makes your engine compartment look like $hit".
QDRHRSE said:
You don't need bigger injectors with h/c/i...but guess what runs more efficiently. Yep you guessed it
You don't need a tune with h/c/i...but guess what runs more efficiently. Yep you guessed it
Wow...lose 50lbs and gain 80-100hp with h/c/i
You also get it thru the powerband 
So you have never shown anyone under your hood? I didn't expect you too while you were driving...did you?
It appears you missed the point I was making about the cleaner engine compartment. Did I say it is dirty/messy with a supercharger? Nope, just that there is more in the way and is more cluttery. Can you argue with that? I would hope not...
Alright you get two equal 5.0L's and put a supercharger with 10* timing/FMU/stock ignition and compare it to a tuned supercharged car and let's see which one outperforms who in every category. Driveability and Performance will suffer without a tune. I guess if you don't have a tune you won't understand what your losing...but if you go from untuned to tuned you will see the light.
So do you want to always worry/wonder if your injectors are working at max duty cycle? Being outrun at high rpms for longer periods of time? of if it is even capable of holding your power without running lean? I say upgrade injectors. It is silly not to mention them. You might want to look into what is suggested when getting a base supercharger. I'll give you a hint, it isn't to keep the stock injectors. Look into that for your own good later on.
Take a breather...
Will see who has the better points. My point is for you to not be so bias towards one side because I will be just as bias to the other side if need be to counter your obvious bias. Other than that I want a supercharger...but don't get convienent amnesia when it comes to what is really needed for a supercharger to run properly and efficiently. Giving misinformation can be damaging to someone's time and wallet. Let's try to keep that to a minimum.
Good Luck
txstang84
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well, ya know what they say...opinions are like a$$holes, we all got one, and most of them stink...LOL
looks like you scorned somebody there QDRHRSE
i can see both your points and i would much rather have a good combo of both, bigger injectors so i could ditch the fmu, but on a well built bottom end...with a blower, and a tune. i'll be doing all of the above in the future...i figure 331 with 8-12psi ought to be LOADS of fun..
then i just gotta worry about getting it all to the ground-doh!
so do you like that novi? how much boost can you tap out at?
looks like you scorned somebody there QDRHRSE
i can see both your points and i would much rather have a good combo of both, bigger injectors so i could ditch the fmu, but on a well built bottom end...with a blower, and a tune. i'll be doing all of the above in the future...i figure 331 with 8-12psi ought to be LOADS of fun..
then i just gotta worry about getting it all to the ground-doh!
so do you like that novi? how much boost can you tap out at?
QDRHRSE said:
Base timming set at 10, fuel pressure at 42 vac line off and plugged and was running a fmu but had it tuned to run without it also when tuned I really couldnt tell you where they set my timming at or how much it pulls when under boost but I started out at 10 and havent had any problems so far. As far as the track heat, its pulls very hard mid thru high rpms but was thinking about trying the street heat. I would like to have a little more on the low end.
mondos90lx
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Shakerhood
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If you havent already done so, you might consider doing the brakes and suspension before adding more power. The stock brakes suck so bad and if you start going faster, you are asking for trouble.
QDRHRSE
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I think that we are missing each others points. If you buy all new parts there is no way to match the power and efficiency of a supercharger for $2000. My point is that you can make an easy 80hp without buying anything else (except maybe a bigger in tank pump- I’ll give you that). Have you ever had a blower? The best thing about is that if you drive easy you cannot even tell that its there (this applies to 95% of the centrifugal types. It just sort of comes out of nowhere when you get to the right engine speed. It’s beautiful…. better gas mileage too if you can stay out of the boost. You can have it all for less than $2000. You also get the extra power without underdrive pullies and having to advance the crap out of the timing….the result is a milder cooler running more enjoyable car. A tune usually costs $350-500 so that’s an expense that would really hurt a $2000 budget. The original question was:
if you had a couple of thousand to spend on performance mods what would it be??
Even if there was an extra $1000 available and he could get a whole TFS track heat kit and the appropriate mass air, tb, adjustable fpr etc etc…. could he still beat his old car equipped with a cheap blower radial to radial? The honest answer would be no- not a chance.
That’s all I’m saying. Even if you junk yard shop and get GT40’s and explorer intake, maf, tb……the blower wins in performance and value no matter what you do as long as you adhere to the $2000 cap
I think that we are missing each others points. If you buy all new parts there is no way to match the power and efficiency of a supercharger for $2000. My point is that you can make an easy 80hp without buying anything else (except maybe a bigger in tank pump- I’ll give you that). Have you ever had a blower? The best thing about is that if you drive easy you cannot even tell that its there (this applies to 95% of the centrifugal types. It just sort of comes out of nowhere when you get to the right engine speed. It’s beautiful…. better gas mileage too if you can stay out of the boost. You can have it all for less than $2000. You also get the extra power without underdrive pullies and having to advance the crap out of the timing….the result is a milder cooler running more enjoyable car. A tune usually costs $350-500 so that’s an expense that would really hurt a $2000 budget. The original question was:
if you had a couple of thousand to spend on performance mods what would it be??
Even if there was an extra $1000 available and he could get a whole TFS track heat kit and the appropriate mass air, tb, adjustable fpr etc etc…. could he still beat his old car equipped with a cheap blower radial to radial? The honest answer would be no- not a chance.
That’s all I’m saying. Even if you junk yard shop and get GT40’s and explorer intake, maf, tb……the blower wins in performance and value no matter what you do as long as you adhere to the $2000 cap
Kdubslugga
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If i had 2000 bucks i get a mass air conversion and my buddies Powerdyne blower 9lbs, id still have a few hundred bucks to play with maybe save it for heads!!!
QDRHRSE
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dwhiskie-
Thanks for the reply. I have the same problem and I have a ported Cobra intake. With that cam and Twisted Wedge heads I don't think changing to a Street Heat upper will make a difference. The ports on the heads, I think, are what causes that. The Novi 1000, while being a great blower is pretty small, 850 CFM, and it just doesn't have enough huff to start making boost down low with a big head like a TW. I like it because I can't even tell its there under 3000rpm. I also have an Anderson pulley set up that gives me 11-12lbs of boost. My car is tuned exactly the same- 42lbs of FP and 10 degrees of timing. I was just curious- Thanks a lot!
Thanks for the reply. I have the same problem and I have a ported Cobra intake. With that cam and Twisted Wedge heads I don't think changing to a Street Heat upper will make a difference. The ports on the heads, I think, are what causes that. The Novi 1000, while being a great blower is pretty small, 850 CFM, and it just doesn't have enough huff to start making boost down low with a big head like a TW. I like it because I can't even tell its there under 3000rpm. I also have an Anderson pulley set up that gives me 11-12lbs of boost. My car is tuned exactly the same- 42lbs of FP and 10 degrees of timing. I was just curious- Thanks a lot!
QDRHRSE said:
There is no way to match power and efficiency of a blower? I would like to argue that...especially the effiecency part. It is belt driven (which is off the crank). How is that more efficient? So it's an "easy" 80hp? How is it any easier than h/c/i. With a base 5-6psi S/C trim you won't even get 80hp (at the wheels). Flywheel yes...but I wouldn't say any is "easy". I'm not sure what your point is.
Do I have to personally own a blower to know? What about my friends? Do they count? Oh just so you know the frequency that I'm around...just by pure coincedence...in one week me and a couple others are putting one on a 02 Gt...can't wait for another one to be "in my pocket"
A car runs hotter with a supercharger. A h/c/i car will run cooler with all variables being the same. Less drag on the engine. Similar to when the a/c clutch is engaged it heats the engine up a bit more due to it having to work harder. Think about it...
A tune is much better on a blown car than a h/c/i car.
The blown cars I have seen (even on here) got a decrease in mpg. More drag equals more gas used. My h/c/i gave me 3mpg on average with no tune. Hmm...I wonder with a tune what would it do and help
QDRHRSE said:
Yes, correct.
You can't leave out wallet damaging info. You simply don't bolt-on a supercharger nor do you a h/c/i package. A supercharger is harder to tune...you should know that. Detonation, detonation, and more detonation
QDRHRSE said:
Well that isn't right. A supercharger would benifit from a bigger maf/tb/afpr/etc. Why are you implying that a h/c/i setup needs those. It doesn't. Just like a blown car doesn't. Bad example.
So a stock bolt-on h/c/i car doesn't have a chance with a stock blown car? Come on..."not a chance"
I hope that is sarcasm.A supercharger has more parts to go wrong with it. More parts under that "messy" hood.
If you were to add h/c/i later guess what has to be removed in order to get that...yep the supercharger. Increased labor cost or time. Or both QDRHRSE said:
I wouldn't say that it wins in performance and value together. You have to look at hp per dollar. It really would depend on how cheap you get it. I believe your wrong in that case. It would outpower a gt40 setup but that ain't all the h/c/i combos we got "nowadays" as you know. So don't use that old example
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